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Pelosi raises idea of $150 billion stimulus bill

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Oct 9, 2008
 
Zorkon756 wrote:
I still don't think this individual would get a cent for insurance via a tax credit. If you don't pay taxes in the first place you can't get a tax credit. Sort of like claiming 28,000 of deductions after you were only when your income is only 10,000.00 See what I mean. You get back the money you actually paid, but not what you would had gotten back if you had paid more.
I thought people in Santa Fe screwed in hot tubs?
Part of the deal is that you would get the credit whether you paid any taxes, or not. And I think it is structured so that you get the money whether you spent it for insurance, or not. It turns out to be a partial compensation for the insurance you are going to lose.

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Aden wrote:
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Hey steve get a clue, do you work?. well unless you work for the government or own your own business, then it is one those millionaires that made your job possible, get it yet??.
I have worked and supported myself for more than fifty years, since I was 14 years old. In my life, I have worked for two millionaires. Both of them turned out to be real jerks and I had to bring them to court to get my due. Now, I live off my social security and my rapidly diminishing nest egg.
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Steve van Dresser wrote:
Gerry, you keep under estimating the budget deficit. It was estimated to be a little more than $400 billion, but that was before the bailout of Bear Sterns ($29 billion), AIG ($85 billion initially and another $35 billion today), Fannie and Freddie ($200 billion) and the new rescue package ($700 billion). So a better estimate, which includes these new commitments, would come to a deficit of about $1.5 trillion. The total cumulative national debt of all Presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter came to $1 trillion. So, in one year, Bush will out deficit all the presidents from one through thirty nine put together. Only Ronald Reagan even comes close to Bush II in deficit spending.
I agree the "real" deficit is more than what is reported. I think the reported figure is 438 billion. Add in over 100 billion dollars taken out of the social security fund, all the crises, and the neglect of our infrastructure and you get a bigger deficit. In any case, we have huge problems and the politicians do little about it. They just sit with their ideology of supply side trickle down economics and it has all failed.

The national debt under Bush has gone from under 6 trillion dollars to over 10 trillion dollars.

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Aden wrote:
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Hey steve get a clue, do you work?. well unless you work for the government or own your own business, then it is one those millionaires that made your job possible, get it yet??.
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves the much higher compensation."

-- Abraham Lincoln, State of the Union message, 1861

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My, how far the Republican party has sunk.
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RandyNason wrote:
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No, we don't. Actually, it would be more accurate to rate Hoover's policies to McSame's, and liken Obama's to FDR's. After Hoover drove the country into the ground (as Bush has done) it was FDR who brought us out of that mess by regulating industry and putting people back to work.
Barack Obama's plans are like Hoover's. Those that don't know history are destined to repeat it. FDR's policies prolonged the depression. Especially since he did not reverse Hoover's mistakes.

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Steve van Dresser wrote:
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Part of the deal is that you would get the credit whether you paid any taxes, or not. And I think it is structured so that you get the money whether you spent it for insurance, or not. It turns out to be a partial compensation for the insurance you are going to lose.
I misspoke in my prior comment. McCain's tax credit would only apply towards buying health insurance. If you cannot afford to buy health insurance, even with the credit, you get no benefit from the credit. So it turns out to be a benefit for everyone except those that need it most. How Republican.
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