Mexico Battles Drugs While U.S. Lags

Despite high-profile arrests and record annual seizures, the steady supply of cocaine, marijuana, heroin and methamphetamine has been available since President Nixon famously declared drugs to be America's "public enemy No. 1."
The war on drugs is a big joke when you know how big and established it is. There are reasons for everything weird that happens down there and I hope congress does some hard looking into it.

Our borders need to be protected with military force. I would station the US Army along the Mexican border to enforce the law. The Mexican are invaders. They are aliens.

I suggest the creation of deportation camps where illegal aliens can be placed pending deportation. While at these camps, they must be forced to work. They must pay their debt to America. I would also use a Singapore cane on them, to give them something to remember.

We also need strict law enforcement. I would suggest that the Federal government place a bounty on each and every illegal alien in the US. Licensed bounty hunters as well as US citizens, after taking a course or two, could apprehend these aliens and bring them in for a reward. I don't know how much the bounty should be but it should be at least $100. Where ever the aliens are, they would not be safe. The bounty hunters could walk right in at anywhere at any time and make a pickup.

Daniel K:

>>> the shipments of drugs from Mexico will only stop when the flow of Mexicans into this country stops,

Baloney. IF we were so stupid as to close our borders like other totalitarian countries, the drugs would just be produced here.

>>> it will be hard to stop the Mexicans coming into this country when they get so much sympathy,

You don't want to give our neighbors sympathy? How egocentric, selfish and cruel. Especially considering we stole half of Mexico's country.

>>> it's no wonder that the mainstream American person doesn't realize how much crime these illegals are causing and how much drugs the illegals are carrying into the country.

That's a pretty sick statement. First, these people are not "illegals." What they have done in crossing the border may be considered illegal, but THEY are not illegal. And the great, vast majority of them are honest, hard-working folks who came here to put in an honest day's work, to support their families back home. This being necessary largely due to the destructive policies the U.S. has imposed on Mexico. These people are nothing short of heroic.

>>> when the Mexicans cross that border with drugs on their person, simply behead the Mexicans and FedEx their heads back to Mexico City.

Since we are talking about "drugs." Why do you feel drugs such as marijuana (the bulk of the drugs crossing the border with Mexico) are so horrible we need to have a prohibition of them?

Daniel K wrote:

the shipments of drugs from Mexico will only stop when the flow of Mexicans into this country stops,

It's rather apparent that you don't know what you're talking about.

George wrote:

Our borders need to be protected with military force. I would station the US Army along the Mexican border to enforce the law. The Mexican are invaders. They are aliens.

Use your brain man, if the army had a million men it still couldn't secure the border.

End prohibition and there wouldn't be any battles. As long as prohibition is continued expect the violence to become more wide spread.

Prohibition causes far more harm than recreational drug use does.

John Thomas wrote:

Daniel K:
>>> the shipments of drugs from Mexico will only stop when the flow of Mexicans into this country stops,
Baloney. IF we were so stupid as to close our borders like other totalitarian countries, the drugs would just be produced here.
>>> it will be hard to stop the Mexicans coming into this country when they get so much sympathy,
You don't want to give our neighbors sympathy? How egocentric, selfish and cruel. Especially considering we stole half of Mexico's country.
>>> it's no wonder that the mainstream American person doesn't realize how much crime these illegals are causing and how much drugs the illegals are carrying into the country.
That's a pretty sick statement. First, these people are not "illegals." What they have done in crossing the border may be considered illegal, but THEY are not illegal. And the great, vast majority of them are honest, hard-working folks who came here to put in an honest day's work, to support their families back home. This being necessary largely due to the destructive policies the U.S. has imposed on Mexico. These people are nothing short of heroic.
>>> when the Mexicans cross that border with drugs on their person, simply behead the Mexicans and FedEx their heads back to Mexico City.
Since we are talking about "drugs." Why do you feel drugs such as marijuana (the bulk of the drugs crossing the border with Mexico) are so horrible we need to have a prohibition of them?

The problem with drugs in America and virtually anywhere else in the World, is that there are too many people with money buying drugs.
If there weren't americans wanting drugs, the drug lords wouldn't be producing them or smuggling them across the border.

Whether it's marijuana or cocaine or heroin, the money goes to fuel the same drug lords. Tied with marijuana is also prostitution, kiddie porn and any other illegal activity you can think of.

rickster469 wrote:

End prohibition and there wouldn't be any battles. As long as prohibition is continued expect the violence to become more wide spread.
Prohibition causes far more harm than recreational drug use does.

It will only fuel the money laundering stemming from other illegal activities the crime lords control.

To begin, the cartel turf wars and the 2,000 murders so attributed could be ended by legalizing drugs, as the Mexican Congress supposedly came close to doing recently. This is PROHIBITION violence, not "drug violence." Ban lingerie or chocolate and the same turf cartels and turf wars and black market would appear for those commodities too. Putting these drugs under legal regulation would divert all those $$hundreds billions$$ annually into legitimate and taxable and regulated financial paths, cutting off the vast majority of income and jobs to the cartels from top to bottom.

As for so-called "illegals" in our country, I say we should have open immigration to everyone except criminals. In conjunction with open immigration we should also give new hope and opportunity to the people of the poor countries byquitting our debt-mastery and neo-liberal trade and budget requirements (through IMF and WTO) over the poor countries and enter into a more equitable and constructive development plan to reduce the miseries and poverty of those places on the peripheries but very much a part of our global system of economy and culture. Rather than "securing the borders," we need to stop aggravating the disparities of the world that are creating these overwhelming demographic pressures.

Muddy wrote:

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It will only fuel the money laundering stemming from other illegal activities the crime lords control.

The money their laundering comes from illegal drug sales. How will ending prohibition (legalizing recreational drug use) fuel the money laundering.

Apparently you don't know what your talking about.

Prohibition cause more harm than recreational drug use causes.

Early Childhood Adv wrote:

Where is that lethal injection? Bring the violence on!

Somewhere around 80 million people did an illeagal drug last year. Where are the bodies and the high crime rate you allude to.

Let's start with you rickster 469! How about we put a stop to alcohol?

We tried that once it was a massive failure.

it appears some of you are too drink to make sense.

It would appear that you should leave the juice along. May I recommend you smoke a joint, it won't hurt you, might make you feel better and is far safer than taking an asprin or riding a roller coaster.

Prohibition causes far more harm than recreational drug use does.

timemachinist wrote:

To begin, the cartel turf wars and the 2,000 murders so attributed could be ended by legalizing drugs, as the Mexican Congress supposedly came close to doing recently. This is PROHIBITION violence, not "drug violence." Ban lingerie or chocolate and the same turf cartels and turf wars and black market would appear for those commodities too. Putting these drugs under legal regulation would divert all those $$hundreds billions$$ annually into legitimate and taxable and regulated financial paths, cutting off the vast majority of income and jobs to the cartels from top to bottom.
As for so-called "illegals" in our country, I say we should have open immigration to everyone except criminals. In conjunction with open immigration we should also give new hope and opportunity to the people of the poor countries byquitting our debt-mastery and neo-liberal trade and budget requirements (through IMF and WTO) over the poor countries and enter into a more equitable and constructive development plan to reduce the miseries and poverty of those places on the peripheries but very much a part of our global system of economy and culture. Rather than "securing the borders," we need to stop aggravating the disparities of the world that are creating these overwhelming demographic pressures.

We do have fairly open immigration in this country. However, one of the biggest problems is the processing times of the legal immigration into the country and the fact that it is more liberal with europeans coming into the country than asians or south americans. As you may know already, it wasn't until 1962 that the roaming populations of produce pickers of hispanic culture were cut off from crossing the border. If the countries to the south of us have had economic and social problems, it is also true that they are as self made as ours to a degree. South american countries are immigrant nations, just like ours. All they need is to figure themselves out.

Those are the problems in my opinion.
As for the solution, it lies in focusing our border patrol on the real criminals rather than on a wide variety of populations that isn't here with the intent of breaking our laws.
What americans can't do is stubbornly defend a system that needs a major overall. Border Patrol needs to have very well defined rules to protect itself and the border more effectively. State and Federal need to act together, not attach themselves to political party struggles. The national identification system is a joke as long as a social security card is still a valid means of identification for anything else besides Social Security. If a Certificate of Birth is one of the primary documents to have a Driver's License issued, then why would a SSN be necessary if it is based on the same certificate of birth?
Why am I going on and on with that SSN?
Because one of the biggest complaints is identity theft. If we make it so easy for everybody to steal and forge identity theft, why aren't we taking that tool away from the criminals and easing the means for immigrants to have a INS issued ID (which is very well put together and harder to forge)?

I know, I know, I write too much.

Early Childhood Adv wrote:

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SAY GOOD BYE TO HEATHCARE AND SAY HELLO TO DEATH! HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO THIS COUNTRY IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE? THEN WHY ARE YOU LETTING THOSE BORACIONES DECIDE YOUR FUTURE...TURN THEM IN! When your economy suffers because your food prices go up...corn for tortillas and other foods because instead of growing food, your people are forced to grow "death" "Pot-cancer", Cocaine "heart disease and then some", Heroin "death sentence without a line", Meth "you must be crazy"...how many of your people have lost thier lives because it was either their way "DRUG LORDS" or get killed land cleared for pot instead of coffee and advocados....some how this wasn't what global economics was to be about. Is this what has happened to those who have been educated? Maybe we should close down the schools. I sat for the longest of times thinking about what "hispanics and spanish and others" have contributed to the good economics of the world, GREAT FOOD, is what comes to mind it becomes suspicious when cocoa (used for chocolate...delicious) gets used for something other...what else...besides these illegal drugs? La Musica...How about the Arts? Who's Blue Period? Anyone lately? I am still thinking...anyone? I know there are many good people out there...but the thefts and murders as a result of those who push? these illegal substances make it very difficult to trust. How are Chagas doing these days? There is a reason for healthcare...illegal sustances aren't it. I was going to say JUST STAY IN SCHOOL...but no trust...so remember to JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!

You're not making a lick of sense.

Two points: It is beyond ridiculous that a common weed is lumped in with dangerous drugs. It's not my thing personally, but I've never been assaulted by someone hoped up on weed. Alchohol, yes. Weed no. It is its prohibition, moreso than its narcotic value which boggles the mind.

Secondly, it is hypocritical of the U.S. to wage a drug war when the U.S. government is so hellbent on prosecuting those Border Patrol agents who are trying to wage it for them. Does Bush get a cut of the action or something? Is that why he's so gung ho to make sure drug dealers get free passage into the U.S.?

I've been trying to find out how you do the "quote" thing, but haven't seen a guide around here yet. Can someone enlighten?

Muddy says:

>>>The problem with drugs in America and virtually anywhere else in the World, is that there are too many people with money buying drugs.
If there weren't americans wanting drugs, the drug lords wouldn't be producing them or smuggling them across the border.

People wanting drugs cannot be defined as "the problem." People have always wanted drugs and always will, so that is a "problem" that can never be solved. That is supposedly the lesson we learned with alcohol prohibition, but it seems we didn't really learn it. This is especially clear with marijuana. And no, Early Childhood Adv, marijuana does not cause death or cancer. As a matter of fact, alcohol and tobacco cause much more destruction than all the illegal drugs combined.

It is amazing after all these decades of experience that we are still debating what should be common knowledge. It's likely that those shouting about "harms" are really covering up their concerns about "sin." So, please, keep your sin concerns in your church, and not in a public discussion.

>>>>>>> >>>> Whether it's marijuana or cocaine or heroin, the money goes to fuel the same drug lords. Tied with marijuana is also prostitution, kiddie porn and any other illegal activity you can think of.

Without prohibition there would be no drug lords. Alcohol was also "tied" to those things when it was wrong-headedly prohibited. That's what happens when you drive a harmless (at least to others) activity underground.

“A handful of Texas lawmakers are sponsoring a bill that would pay Mexico $850 million in new federal funds over five years for training police and prosecutors. It would more than double the $69 million a year Mexico gets now.”
Last time I checked Mexico was not a state, why then are the United States of America footing ANY of this bill? Is it not enough we police them from this side of the border? Is it not enough that we pay the bill to keep their law breakers in our prisons? We’ve set the standard to keep this crap off of our streets. In our country we can not get Sudafed unless we see a Pharmacy tech, and give our personal info, and SHOW OUR ID’S. In Mexico you can buy literally powdered ephedrine, there are no limits,(there are supposed to be but laws in Mexico are rarely/never enforced), you can buy Sudafed by the bucket full; and people do, right before exporting it with their illegal’s to our United States. This is the main source of Meth in our country. It’s about damn time Mexico stood up off the crapper and got to getting the drugs off of the streets, In America we’re a little busy trying to keep the Illegal’s and their drugs off of our streets. Way to go on the whole 20-years-too-little-too-late thing you’re doing now though, Mexico, way to go, thanks for finally reading our memo.

"Mexico is sending a clear message to the U.S., saying,`We're doing everything we can, even more than you,'" To this I say, good it’s about darn time you get your country cleaned up, you should have been doing this all along. And you should be doing more since most of the nasty drugs come from your part of the world anyway. You should not only be doing all of the work to fix your own country, but you should have to pay for it too, there is no reason that the American Public should have to pay this bill at all.

rickster469 wrote:

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The money their laundering comes from illegal drug sales. How will ending prohibition (legalizing recreational drug use) fuel the money laundering.
Apparently you don't know what your talking about.
Prohibition cause more harm than recreational drug use causes.

I agree, however there are currently laws in our country that forbid it, Try as we may we have not been able to tell people quit killing themselvs with meth. My mom was a pot head so I see the downside of no Prohibition,(being raised by a person with her head in the clouds wasn't the best), but I also see that if we would just legalize and tax the hell out of drugs we would be the richest country in "all the land"... even if it was only the "all natural" durgs that don't kill anyone.

But since it's unlawful now, here we are.

ALAAII said:

>>>> why then are the United States of America footing ANY of this bill?

The corrupt "leaders" of the US do this to keep stoking the fraud of prohibition. They could not maintain this con game if other countries did not go along with it. As timemachinist said, Mexico recently passed laws decriminalizing possession of small amounts of drugs, but the corrupt officials here screamed bloody murder, and Mexico backed away from that immeninently logical step.

ALAAII said:

>>> We’ve set the standard to keep this crap off of our streets.

Again. It seems like some people don't read what others post here. Why is marijuana "crap" and alcohol just fine and dandy?

ALAAII said:

>>> It’s about damn time Mexico stood up off the crapper and got to getting the drugs off of the streets,

Yes. They should get them into taxed and regulated vendors like they do with alcohol and tobacco.

ALIAAII wrote:

We�ve set the standard to keep this crap off of our streets.

Who ever set that standard was stupid.

ALIAAII wrote:

In our country we can not get Sudafed unless we see a Pharmacy tech, and give our personal info, and SHOW OUR ID�S.

Yea and meth is still just as readily available as ever. Isn't it amazing how we will give up our freedoms for nothing.

ALIAAII wrote:

In Mexico you can buy literally powdered ephedrine, there are no limits,(there are supposed to be but laws in Mexico are rarely/never enforced), you can buy Sudafed by the bucket full; and people do, right before exporting it with their illegal's to our United States.

That's not true they're shipping it via motor freight. None of them people walking/sneaking across the border are carrying anything but a water bottle and the shirt off their back.

ALIAAII wrote:

This is the main source of Meth in our country.

You don't even know what meth is, much less understand how it gets here.

I'm not even going to try to respond to the rest of your post. It's oblivious you don't know a thing about what your talking about.

Prohibition does more harm to this country than recreational drug use does.

ALAAII said: >>>>"Try as we may we have not been able to tell people quit killing themselvs with meth."

Most likely because we have a "drug education" program that is not really about education. It is really indoctrination and relies heavily on lies which lump marijuana into the same category as heroin. If we told the truth, youth would start believing us.

ALAAII said:

>>> My mom was a pot head so I see the downside of no Prohibition,

How could you see the downside of no prohibition? Her use was in a prohibition environment. If there had been no prohibition, she likely wouldn't have been so obsessed with figuring out how to get a supply, and may have lost interest.

>>> but I also see that if we would just legalize and tax the hell out of drugs we would be the richest country in "all the land"... even if it was only the "all natural" durgs that don't kill anyone.

That's a good start, but our motivation with drug policy should not be to make the country rich, and you have to be very careful at what level you set the tax, because if you set it too high, you will still be creating a black-market.

ALAAII said:

>>> But since it's unlawful now, here we are.

Exactly. Remove the prohibition, and return to sanity and freedom from crime, corruption, and death due to non-regulation of drugs.