The election's big Medicare myth

okimar wrote:

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Any way you hash it out I can guarentee you whatEVER Congress does it is done with ONE thing in mind. INCREASE REVENUES so Congress still has(more)money to fritter away.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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So you'd deny Romney the right to vote?

Cat74 wrote:

Did you ever wonder where these liberals think the rich got their money? They act like the rich just opened the door one day, and there was a big pile of money on the door step. Here's a clue, they didn't get it peddling drugs in their neighborhood, or shooting craps on the corner. They worked hard at school, they worked hard at college, got jobs, worked hard again. Obama says he knows people who work hard. Doing what? They didn't get an education. They have very little ambition, and they are perfectly happy working the Government freebie scams. They have several jobs in their lifetime because they are perfectly happy just having enough for their booze, and cigarettes

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>Why lie. He provided his required returns.......if you're going to keep beating the dead horse, do it behind the barn. Children like Mykro are easily frightened.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Romney can settle this issue at any time, by releasing his tax returns for the past decade.
C'mon Romney, show the American people how you hid all your money in offshore accounts and overseas tax havens just to avoid paying your fair share of taxes. Then tell us again why the rich deserve a MASSIVE $200,000+ tax break while your plan raises taxes on the poor & middle class by $2000.
C'mon Romney, man up.

xnutmegger wrote:

Hey Pamela
The other day on a different thread I said that U.S. healthcare has the best quality in the world.
You came back that U.S. healthcare is rated 37th.
What are the line item criteria standards you are using ?
I said quality " only " your statement is a total of the whole system which isn't what I pointed out.
I stand by my quality claim.

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xnutmegger wrote:

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Everybody notice for one week LEFTY forgot about Romney taxes and jumped all over Ryan.
After one week all over Ryan without much public success they jump back on Romney's taxes ...on queue !
Tea Party elected Jason Chafftez sleeps on a cot in his cong. office.
Dirty Harry Reid , champion of the poor , rents a suite at the D.C. Waldorf-Astoria.

rwb wrote:

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Can you be more specific? What exactly is 'quality of care'? and how is it quantified?

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WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Romney can settle this issue at any time, by releasing his tax returns for the past decade.
C'mon Romney, show the American people how you hid all your money in offshore accounts and overseas tax havens just to avoid paying your fair share of taxes. Then tell us again why the rich deserve a MASSIVE $200,000+ tax break while your plan raises taxes on the poor & middle class by $2000.
C'mon Romney, man up.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:

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We haven't forgotten about anything. We'll hammer BOTH issues all the way to Obama's successful reelection.

xnutmegger wrote:

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By customer perference and feedback as I already stated.
Quality is attention to detail such as thorough diagnostics and moving the patient up the line to skilled professionals as challenges and situations arise.
If you are dissatisfied being in one hospital one can frquently asked to be moved to another and it will happen.
For instance we have levels of county , regular private ,religion supported and specialty here in Metro Phx.
At the high end would be the Mayo Clinic , Barrows Neurological and Phoenix Childrens .
We have 4-5 Christian religion supported which includes one in association with Barrows.
The county hospital is the lowest rated .

rwb wrote:

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I guess I was looking at different benchmarks in comparison to other industrialized countries. I do believe we have a 'good' healthcare system, but not the best. A part of the problem that does bring down the US score compared to other countries is accessibility and affordability. With the percentage of the population that is uninsured/underinsured brings our score down.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/...

okimar wrote:

<quoted text>Actually,I am in the damn near genius bracket. Not quite MENSA,but close. That puts me head and shoulders above most of the knuckle dragging mouth breathing liberals on here.....
A flat tax is WORKABLE only IF it is accompanied with real tax reform. Not some glossed over feel good jack 'em off legislation to placate the big mouths in the crowd.
Any way you hash it out I can guarentee you whatEVER Congress does it is done with ONE thing in mind. INCREASE REVENUES so Congress still has(more)money to fritter away.

xnutmegger wrote:

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By customer perference and feedback as I already stated.
Quality is attention to detail such as thorough diagnostics and moving the patient up the line to skilled professionals as challenges and situations arise.
If you are dissatisfied being in one hospital one can frquently asked to be moved to another and it will happen.
For instance we have levels of county , regular private ,religion supported and specialty here in Metro Phx.
At the high end would be the Mayo Clinic , Barrows Neurological and Phoenix Childrens .
We have 4-5 Christian religion supported which includes one in association with Barrows.
The county hospital is the lowest rated .

okb2 wrote:

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So if you have slaves that their last master starved and now they are well fed and they check the satisfied block as opposed to a group of free people who are completely responsible for themselves and are disastified due to lack of food choice, it proves slavery is better, right?
There is a reason they use objective criteria as opposed to subjective criteria. Americans are spoon fed all the time that we are the greatest. What other expectation would you have for a system that serves the world's greatest?

xnutmegger wrote:

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Plantation politics is a Dem tool not a GOP tool.
Rave on.

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Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>Zogby Obama 42%, Rasmussen Obama 43% and Gallup, Obama at 43%.........please keep your moronic post going......we'll have that Moron in Cheif under 40 by Septeber.

okb2 wrote:

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And yet that is exactly what you were using. Try objective as opposed to subjective criteria. And while you are at it, I want see the survey you are using. Got a link?

xnutmegger wrote:

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The U.S. system provides default hospital emergency insurance for those without any other coverage .
If the uninsured show up at the emergency room the are still treated.
The costs are covered by the hospitals jacking up the prices of those who are insured whether privately or through the various gov't programs.
Those who are covered get very high quality insurance .
Canada covers everyone but the " Wait time " for treatment is exceedingly long.
Canadian border cities routinely send patients to nearby American hospitals because of better or more state of art diagnostic equipment and much , much shorter wait times.
So a walk non-covered at an American emergency will get as good or better than a Canadian walkin.
Universal coverage is universal coverage and not directly related to " In hospital quality ".

rwb wrote:

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You said it correctly...EMERGENCY care. Many of the uninsured will most be unable to afford preventive care or care before it becomes an emergency much of the time. There are other industrialized countries with different types of healthcare besides Canada. We are not rated the best overall, we are good or very good...that is all I am saying.