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http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.b...
Sep 2, 2008
Rep. Barney Frank is among the first Democrats to publicly say Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s family background, including the pregnancy of her unwed teenage daughter, should be fair game for campaign discussion. "They’re the ones that made an issue of her family," Frank, D-Mass., said Tuesday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
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“deal with it” Joined: Aug 8, 2007 Comments: 4292 Jacksonville (aka SoNY) ISP: Pompano Beach, FL |
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6 BTW, the way those talibangelical xstains bray about the evils of extra marital sex it really is quite xstain of them to so quickly and completely forgive in true Christian fashion the uber born again Palin family for its little "experiences." And they would have been just as forgiving if Chelsea had gotten pregnant while either of her parents were running for Prez, right? Sure. |
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9 Palin fits the GOP mould just like other GOP family values shining lights like Bob Barr (married three times, deadbeat dad, etc.), Jim Bunn (ditched wife and five kids to marry one of his staff members right after he was elected), Dan Burton (fathered a child with his mistress), Ken Calvert (deadbeat ex, caught with prostitutes having sex in public), Dan Crane (had sex with minors), Newt Gingrich (affairs, divorced first wife while she was in hospital being treated for cancer), Ted Haggart (sex with male prostitutes, drug use), "Dr." Laura Schlessinger (posed for nude pics, had affairs with married men, etc.), Jimmy Swaggart (affair with a prostitute), etc. etc. etc. http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Re... Nothing has changed. |
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“Together 20 yrs-like it or not” Joined: Sep 30, 2007 Comments: 2198 ISP: Altamont, NY |
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3 Why on earth do you think Republicans would want to talk about the economy, health care, education, or the war? Get real! |
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“I am ready for President Obama” Joined: Aug 26, 2007 Comments: 169 ISP: Marlton, NJ |
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4 I thought McSame was doing that pretty good on his own. Most of his TV ads were just badmouthing and not saying anything on the REAL issues. The debates are coming up tho. |
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3 I know, it's silly. I would like to see the republican party to return to it's original support of smaller government and less interference. It's a shame to see it reduced to using fear to get the most vulnerable to vote for them and then turning around and screwing those that voted for them while creating more vulnerable people. If it continues it will only hasten the downfall of America as a leader in this world. |
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5 Pointing out facts and critizing are two different things. Swiftboating (lying) by Republicans is not the same as "telling the truth about Palin & McSame" by Democrats. |
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“Liberty and Justice for All” Joined: Feb 2, 2008 Comments: 1186 USA ISP: Ogdensburg, NY |
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3 That may be their hope, that the Palin pick would shift the conversation... but in all the news coverage I've seen so far, reporters are having no trouble finding former McCain supporters who see McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as shortsighted and lacking judgement. Every other interview I hear is with some former McCain supporter who took one look at Palin, and for a multitude of reasons, has chosen to stop supporting McCain. No, this itself isnt' the trick. This is the set-up. This is a preparatory move, putting things in place for whatever they have up their sleeves. But already, the whiplash of controversy is eroding GOP support. Thanks to Sarah Palin, Americans have learned what is for most of them a new word: vetting. It has been added to their vacabulary in all of the following contexts: "Did they even vet this person?" "McCain says that Sarah Palin was thoroughly vetted." "McCain aides insist that their vetting process was comprehensive." "Voters are asking whether the campaign considered the current investigation in their vetting process." As much as the GOP bline loyalists shower McCain and themselves with flowery compliments for their brilliance of picking Palin, the several negative elements about the choice are making Republican political analysts turn grey (well, the ones who don't already have white hair anyway.) Barney Frank is right--her family is part of the question because THEY made "family" a wedge issue to begin with, and Sarah Palin's public position is anti-sex education, anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-war, and pro firearms--all issues that directly impact American family life. I think it's a fair question: "If she wants to tell people how their families should live, then where's her proof-of-concept?" It has to be her own family, and from what we're seeing, her own policies have not had the desired result in her own home, so we extrapolate that those ideas may not be right for anybody else either. Sarah Palin doesn't shift the conversation--she merely reminds us at every turn that her only real experience is as a working mom, very recently the former mayor of a town of under 2000 people, and 18 months as a wet-behind-the-ears governor of the fourth LEAST populated state in the U.S.(with only North Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming having smaller populations.) Family is the only thing she's REALLY qualified to talk about, and the general opinion is that she is no superstar in that arena either. The republicans will lose, despite their screwball politics, and Obama/Biden will be the winning ticket in November. Which ultimately means that, regardless of wht the conversation is now, the ELECTION will have been about the economy, health care, education and on how to get out of Iraq because the Obama administration will start working on all of those issues from day one. |
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7 If you think what they are doing is wrong why do you do the same thing. Personally I think it is wrong for both the GOP and the DEMOS. There are issues on both sides of the fense. What everyone should be interested is not what is wrong with someone's family, but what is at the heart of the person. We all have skeletons. Politics is no excuse to expose every skeleton. There are fellow Americans, not your enemy. If we keep this up, we are going to behave just like they do in other countries divided by political or religious parties which are in civil wars. I think it is great if you have a problem with a candidates political view, but leave their families out of it. |
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4 Shut your festering pie hole, you holier-than-thou ignoramus. America needs no more fools! |
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1 So, are you a Republican or right-leaning Independent? |
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4 Over the last 8 years my optimism has diminished for people electing the most qualified to address the most important issues. I can only hope you are right about this years outcome. As far as using Palin's daughter as an example of failure of the teaching of sex ed.....I agree. Making it a major issue for the election, in my opinion, is wrong. I don't agree in using people's families in such a way and it only drags the attention and conversation away from the major issues. |
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3 I initially thought that family and personal issues should be off limits in this presidential election, but you know, Barney has a very good point because thats what the Republicans ALWAYS do. They bait and switch the electorate by persecuting their opposition. They ALWAYS do this, but now? Now that they are open targets in this area its all of a sudden a TERRIBLE thing, families and personal issues should be off limits. You know darn right well they will be pulling this tactic the very next opportunity they have, so now I say "they want it, they bought, they got it". |
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3 Which party claims to be all about "Family Values"? The funny thing about setting one's party up as the moral standard others are supposed to follow is that the public will tend to use those very moral standards to judge. If American politicans were honest about actually campaigning on the issues, then they wouldn't be parading their families in front of the media and the public the way they do. They wouldn't be using phrases like "family values" in the first place. Since they do play that game, then it's not really much wonder the public notes the blatant hypocrisy. Those who don't pretend to set themselves up as the moral standard (like Barney Frank) are hardly hypocrites when they point out others' hypocrisy. It is very true though that putting everything in overly simplistic "moral right and wrong" terms serves only to polarize the populace, and further divide rather than unite. |
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