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#72207
Jul 31, 2012
 
The gun nut Joker must be thrilled having had his tally doubled by a quirk of law when formally charged.
This raises the stakes in the Gun nut mass murder Olympics where the contestants do not die.
The next player will need to up his ordinance and carefully choose his killing field.
The obvious choice would be a grassy knoll with a strategic view in range of roller coaster and other rides where the mass targets may be moving but are captive. Night time with a heavy calibre automatic weapon firing tracers could suffice.
Perhaps some of the more technically savvy firearm experts may disagree with this and suggest lighter calibre silenced automatic weapons at say a spring break beach or city parade.

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#72208
Jul 31, 2012
 
OregonSUX wrote:
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How do you know what Reverend Wright said? Oh, that's right, it is PUBLIC. You can attend those sermons.
What does GOD ON EARTH, the Mormon Prophet, the President of the Mormon Church say to Bishoprick Romney, KKK Grand Wizard, in the Temple? Does he say goddamn Americans? Does he say go make war on Russia? Does he say install Mormon as the state religion?
Oh, that's right, you do not know because you are not allowed into the Temple. You are NOT WORTHY of entering the "Lord's House."
I swear, you and those Masons are so secretive.

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#72209
Jul 31, 2012
 
Ramafuchs wrote:
Comrades.
Be cool and not cold.
Of course gun is not at fault but the gun possessor.
Democracy need no sponsors and factories which produce the WMD( guns and unmanned jetsand other banal chemicals) should not sponsor or support a guy who wish to serve the needy citizens without any criminal records..
I would be very happy if I were
MLK; MAHATHMA GHANDI; or JFK.
Be a torget of the gun-trotting flag-waving banal patriots.
Which country took the flag and landed in moon? In which country there are more citizens behind the bar?
Here is a crook of the first water and his name is Ramafuchs
MLK had a gun. Or at least wanted one. Feds would not let him have one legally.
JFK had a gun.
FDR had a gun.
Ghandi wanted one but the Brits would not allow it.

Heck, even Janey got a gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#72210
Jul 31, 2012
 
spider1954 wrote:
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I would suggest that you look at this, study it very carefully, and consider the implications. If you are then still confused, I will attempt to explain in a manner you may understand.
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/
I looked at the study!
I studied it carefully!
....and it says exactly what I said to begin with!
So, what are you trying to show me?

I already said you can not own a gun for the purposes of protection in the UK, but you can use your legally registered shotgun for self defense if in immediate danger, and you have to PROVE you are in danger, and not doing it for revenge, a vendetta, or vengeance.:)
I have repeated this over and over...so what are you posting that is different from what I said?

Still confused about what?
Can you be specific?
....yes, explain in a manner I "understand"!

I'll be waiting!

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#72211
Jul 31, 2012
 
OregonSUX wrote:
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SmutFaced Romney would run down Wall Street in his magic underwear and a pink tutu and a propeller beanie if it would get him elected to the WH where he could fulfill the White Horse Prophecy and make himself GOD or just much richer than he currently is.
Mormon was a cult of MONEY and GREED long before there was the fake Christian prosperity gospel junk. All of these crap cults are so antithetical to the best part of Christianity that they are all Anti-Christs. They are seriously despicable.
Mormon-Scientology-ProsperityG ospel no difference in their clearly anti-Christian stance.
Mormons have decided the Second Coming will be in Independence, MO five months after the White Horse Prophecy comes to its fruition and a Mormon is POTUS. Orrin Hatch believes it and even talks about it in his weird, coded language.
Is there any question with rightwing fundamentalist crap slime greedy scumbags like this running big swaths of flyover country that the USA is in the slow growth situation it is? The GOPOX has become the party of charlatans, snake oil salesmen, pathological liars, tax dodgers, draft dodgers, incompetents and morons.
Most days I am amazed that we are still standing given the fetid weight of Republiscums.
ROTFLMAO

You saved the good stuff for smoking in the wee hours of the morning didn't ya SUX.

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Jul 31, 2012
 
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
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I looked at the study!
I studied it carefully!
....and it says exactly what I said to begin with!
So, what are you trying to show me?
I already said you can not own a gun for the purposes of protection in the UK, but you can use your legally registered shotgun for self defense if in immediate danger, and you have to PROVE you are in danger, and not doing it for revenge, a vendetta, or vengeance.:)
I have repeated this over and over...so what are you posting that is different from what I said?
Still confused about what?
Can you be specific?
....yes, explain in a manner I "understand"!
I'll be waiting!
Spider just may have demonstrated something that is, in fact, impossible ... instilling a little understanding of reality as most folks see it, into the skull of mush which sits atop the Mayor of Bunnyville.

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#72213
Jul 31, 2012
 
Why are U.K. gun makers some of the biggest exporters of guns that are used to wrongfully kill millions around the world, while anti-gun nuts sing praises to U.K. gun policies that leave most Brits unarmed?

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MLK had a gun. Or at least wanted one. Feds would not let him have one legally.
JFK had a gun.
FDR had a gun.
YEP, such well known politicians get DEATH THREATS! ALL of whom you listed here had received DEATH THREATS!
Quite a different story for a regular citizen:)
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Ghandi wanted one but the Brits would not allow it.
Gandhi was the leader of nonviolent resistance to British rule in India.
He said "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

NOW:
"Arms" in this context were military arms not the personal weapons of private individuals. The context of "depriving of the whole nation of arms" was the refusal of the British to conscript Indians into the British Army during the First World War. Gandhi was an extreme anti-militarist. The statement is odd coming out of him, but he used the circumstance for political purposes to advance the cause of Home Rule and Independence.

"The only virtue I want to claim is truth and non-violence. I lay no claim to superhuman powers. I want none. I wear the same corruptible flesh that the weakest of my fellow beings wears, and am therefore as liable to err as any. My services have many limitations, but God has upto now blessed them in spite of the imperfections. "
Gandhi
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Heck, even Janey got a gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Janey stole it from her step dad...then ended up in prison!
Have you ever watched the video?

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Spider just may have demonstrated something that is, in fact, impossible ... instilling a little understanding of reality as most folks see it, into the skull of mush which sits atop the Mayor of Bunnyville.
huh?
Can you read?

Everything "spider" posted, I had posted yesterday!
Pay Attention!
Try to keep up!

What you posted makes no sense.

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#72216
Jul 31, 2012
 
BaddaBoom wrote:
England my have less gun-related deaths, however, crime is up. More to the point of some of the recent posts: England has worse crime rate than the US.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-an...
Now they have more rape, robbery, assault/battery.
Often lost in the numbers is how many slime balls are taken out in the US.
U.S. citizens carrying a pistol stop 2.5 million crimes per year. In that figure, armed women stop an estimated 10s of thousands of rape PER YEAR.
You cant do that in the UK. It is illegal to use your firearm for personal defense in UK except northern ireland.
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Robbed and raped but get to live? Not much of a life...
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Jul 31, 2012
 
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>YEP, such well known politicians get DEATH THREATS! ALL of whom you listed here had received DEATH THREATS!
Quite a different story for a regular citizen:)
<quoted text>Gandhi was the leader of nonviolent resistance to British rule in India.
He said "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
NOW:
"Arms" in this context were military arms not the personal weapons of private individuals. The context of "depriving of the whole nation of arms" was the refusal of the British to conscript Indians into the British Army during the First World War. Gandhi was an extreme anti-militarist. The statement is odd coming out of him, but he used the circumstance for political purposes to advance the cause of Home Rule and Independence.
"The only virtue I want to claim is truth and non-violence. I lay no claim to superhuman powers. I want none. I wear the same corruptible flesh that the weakest of my fellow beings wears, and am therefore as liable to err as any. My services have many limitations, but God has upto now blessed them in spite of the imperfections. "
Gandhi
<quoted text>Janey stole it from her step dad...then ended up in prison!
Have you ever watched the video?
Yer still talk'n out yer arse, ain't ya, thunder thighs?
I kin tell, cuz as per usual yer remarks are nonsensical, have a brown tinge, an' stink to high blue heaven!
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#72218
Jul 31, 2012
 
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>huh?
Can you read?
Everything "spider" posted, I had posted yesterday!
Pay Attention!
Try to keep up!
What you posted makes no sense.
Mo' noise frum da drippy loose rectal orifice!

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I looked at the study!
I studied it carefully!
....and it says exactly what I said to begin with!
So, what are you trying to show me?
I already said you can not own a gun for the purposes of protection in the UK, but you can use your legally registered shotgun for self defense if in immediate danger, and you have to PROVE you are in danger, and not doing it for revenge, a vendetta, or vengeance.:)
I have repeated this over and over...so what are you posting that is different from what I said?
Still confused about what?
Can you be specific?
....yes, explain in a manner I "understand"!
I'll be waiting!
How will you use your shotgun for immediate danger if you have to keep it locked up, and the ammo in a separate place,

"Keep your shotgun secured – for preference in a purpose-built gun cabinet – when not in use. Ensure that no-one else has access to the keys – remember it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that unauthorised persons (which includes anyone who hasn’t got a shotgun certificate) do not have access to your guns. Store your shotgun ammunition separately from your guns"

http://www.basc.org.uk/en/codes-of-practice/s...

You still have a lot of trouble making sense. How can anything that is locked up and needs to be loaded be used for any immediate danger?

Maybe you meant you could use one for self defense if the bad guy tells you he is coming over, and will be there in about 5 minutes.

That ought to be enough time to get your self defense weapon ready to use.
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#72220
Jul 31, 2012
 
I don't need a gun. A knife will do. However I'd prefer a gun.

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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>YEP, such well known politicians get DEATH THREATS! ALL of whom you listed here had received DEATH THREATS!
Quite a different story for a regular citizen:)
<quoted text>Gandhi was the leader of nonviolent resistance to British rule in India.
He said "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
NOW:
"Arms" in this context were military arms not the personal weapons of private individuals. The context of "depriving of the whole nation of arms" was the refusal of the British to conscript Indians into the British Army during the First World War. Gandhi was an extreme anti-militarist. The statement is odd coming out of him, but he used the circumstance for political purposes to advance the cause of Home Rule and Independence.
"The only virtue I want to claim is truth and non-violence. I lay no claim to superhuman powers. I want none. I wear the same corruptible flesh that the weakest of my fellow beings wears, and am therefore as liable to err as any. My services have many limitations, but God has upto now blessed them in spite of the imperfections. "
Gandhi
<quoted text>Janey stole it from her step dad...then ended up in prison!
Have you ever watched the video?
Um, if the Brits did not want the Indians to be in the Army, then why didn't the Indians get their own guns.

oh yeah, the Brits did not allow Indians to own guns.

How else were they deprived of guns? The Army just issues guns, the citizens can buy their own.

Wait, Gandhi said the Brits deprived the whole nation!

I saw the video, Janey got a gun because her stepdad was raping her and the law would not stop him.

I would not have convicted her for shooting the stepdad.

I bet you would have.

SO what if they get death threats. Folks that live in NY and Chicago can't get a gun if they get death threats. Why do you think politicans have nmore rights than the citizens?

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Jul 31, 2012
 
Good Aussies wrote:
I don't need a gun. A knife will do. However I'd prefer a gun.
Are you eating dinner ?

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Jul 31, 2012
 
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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How will you use your shotgun for immediate danger if you have to keep it locked up, and the ammo in a separate place,
Just like the same way people who lock up their guns and ammo in the US!
I guess you have to be REALLY fast!
My opinion...the bad guy will get YOU, before you get him!
Just like if the bad guy enters your home when you're asleep!
What good will your gun do then?
MOSTLY, my point was you are ALLOWED to use your legally registered shot gun in the UK for self defense...if in immediate DANGER. It's protected under the castle Doctrine.
The fact that it might be HARD to get your gun in time has no relevance to my point.
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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"Keep your shotgun secured – for preference in a purpose-built gun cabinet – when not in use. Ensure that no-one else has access to the keys – remember it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that unauthorised persons (which includes anyone who hasn’t got a shotgun certificate) do not have access to your guns. Store your shotgun ammunition separately from your guns"
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/codes-of-practice/s...
CORRECT!
Are you confused?
My point was you are ALLOWED to use your legally registered shot gun in the UK for self defense...if in immediate DANGER. It's protected under the castle Doctrine.
The fact that it might be HARD to get your gun in time has no relevance to my point.
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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You still have a lot of trouble making sense. How can anything that is locked up and needs to be loaded be used for any immediate danger?
You still have a lot of trouble understanding!
THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE regarding my point!
The POINT was that you can use your legally registered shot gun for self defense in the UK, if being attacked or in immediate danger.
THAT IS A FACT!
Simply because you think it might be "hard" to access the gun in time, makes no difference! IT IS STILL ALLOWED!
Get it yet?
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Maybe you meant you could use one for self defense if the bad guy tells you he is coming over, and will be there in about 5 minutes.
I never "meant" anything!
It is not based on what I "meant"...I am speaking DIRECTLY about the Castle Doctrine, and being able to use your legally registered shot gun for self defense if being attacked.
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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That ought to be enough time to get your self defense weapon ready to use.
TIME was not the issue. Getting your gun in TIME is not the issue. BEING ABLE TO USE YOUR GUN FOR SELF DEFENSE IN THE UK IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CASTLE DOCTRINE!
The only point was whether it is allowed, or NOT allowed.
Are you still confused?

Lastly, if a man is on his OWN land hunting with his loaded gun, then is attacked when he walks back into his home....he would have his gun, and he could use it.
Got it yet?

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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Just like the same way people who lock up their guns and ammo in the US!
I guess you have to be REALLY fast!
My opinion...the bad guy will get YOU, before you get him!
Just like if the bad guy enters your home when you're asleep!
What good will your gun do then?
MOSTLY, my point was you are ALLOWED to use your legally registered shot gun in the UK for self defense...if in immediate DANGER. It's protected under the castle Doctrine.
The fact that it might be HARD to get your gun in time has no relevance to my point.
<quoted text>CORRECT!
Are you confused?
My point was you are ALLOWED to use your legally registered shot gun in the UK for self defense...if in immediate DANGER. It's protected under the castle Doctrine.
The fact that it might be HARD to get your gun in time has no relevance to my point.
<quoted text>You still have a lot of trouble understanding!
THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE regarding my point!
The POINT was that you can use your legally registered shot gun for self defense in the UK, if being attacked or in immediate danger.
THAT IS A FACT!
Simply because you think it might be "hard" to access the gun in time, makes no difference! IT IS STILL ALLOWED!
Get it yet?
<quoted text>I never "meant" anything!
It is not based on what I "meant"...I am speaking DIRECTLY about the Castle Doctrine, and being able to use your legally registered shot gun for self defense if being attacked.
<quoted text>TIME was not the issue. Getting your gun in TIME is not the issue. BEING ABLE TO USE YOUR GUN FOR SELF DEFENSE IN THE UK IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CASTLE DOCTRINE!
The only point was whether it is allowed, or NOT allowed.
Are you still confused?
Lastly, if a man is on his OWN land hunting with his loaded gun, then is attacked when he walks back into his home....he would have his gun, and he could use it.
Got it yet?
Hmm, immediate. I don't think you know what tyhat word means.

And any fool in the US that locks up his guns and ammo has that choice, They do not in the UK.

I am sure in your little world the bad guys wait till you have your gun loaded and ready for "immediate" self defense, but in the real world,(someplace you may someday understand) they tend to come when you are least prepared.

Perhaps they have a sign on the door requiring the bad guys to knock and wait 5 minutes so the little helpless people can arm themselves.

Sorry boney, the only point you have is on top of that pencil neck.

heh heh heh, immediate danger, he he he,

use their locked up gun, bwah hah hah

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Jul 31, 2012
 
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Um, if the Brits did not want the Indians to be in the Army, then why didn't the Indians get their own guns. yeah, the Brits did not allow Indians to own guns.
WTF?
Are you really that out of touch with history?
He's talking about collective arms in defense of India....not arming every lout individually.
You said "Gandhi wanted a gun"...YET, that is not true.
you took him out of context...like always:)
"I used to issue leaflets asking people to enlist as recruits. One of the arguments I had used was distasteful to the Commissioner :'Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle class render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.' The Commissioner referred to this and said that he appreciated my presence in the conference in spite of the differences between us. "
The only virtue I want to claim is truth and non-violence. I lay no claim to superhuman powers. I want none. I wear the same corruptible flesh that the weakest of my fellow beings wears, and am therefore as liable to err as any. My services have many limitations, but God has upto now blessed them in spite of the imperfections. "
Gandhi
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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How else were they deprived of guns? The Army just issues guns, the citizens can buy their own.
Wait, Gandhi said the Brits deprived the whole nation!
It was a quote from which Gandhi is relating his struggles raising volunteers to fight for the Crown in World War I.
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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I saw the video, Janey got a gun because her stepdad was raping her and the law would not stop him.
I would not have convicted her for shooting the stepdad.
I bet you would have.
?????
You're pathetic!
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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SO what if they get death threats.
You said they had guns....that is WHY they had guns.
Try to keep up!
If not for "death threats", then they might not have had guns.
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Folks that live in NY and Chicago can't get a gun if they get death threats.
yes, they can! If they are not a violent felon, or criminally insane...they can CERTAINLY GET GUNS! Why couldn't they?
Once you break the LAWS, and commit a crime willingly, you give up those rights!
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think politicans have nmore rights than the citizens?
When did I say that?
Why do you lie so much?

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<quoted text>Just like the same way people who lock up their guns and ammo in the US!
I guess you have to be REALLY fast!
In the US we DONT have to keep our guns locked up

In the US we can keep our guns loaded and ready

In the US would be theives and rapists are shot or sent running when the home owner readily presents a firearm.

In the UK shooting deaths are down... but crime is up including rape.

In the US 10s of thousands of women stop would be rapists by brandishing a pistol that is loaded and ready.

IT is in the bill of rights to our constitution. It is a right that was SPECIFICALLY inserted just as the other 9. It is there for a reason (not hunting).

If you do not agree with the constitution (the recipie for a free nation) you can either

A: deal with it
B: move to UK or Japan since you are so fond of them

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