Lawmaker challenges Obama executive privilege claim for documents on failed gun-tracking probe

Jun 26, 2012 Full story: The Washington Post 240

With a vote looming to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, a House committee chairman is challenging President Barack Obama's claim of executive privilege, invoked to maintain secrecy for some documents related to a failed gun-tracking operation.

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“The Commander-in-Chi ef”

Since: Jun 07

Always bet on Black

#1 Jun 26, 2012
Are these unpatriotic tea-baggers that stupid?

What part of Eric Holder and President Obama giving you idiots the middle finger don’t you understand? Executive Privilege has been invoked; that ain’t changing. You fools can go play in traffic until this November when we give President Obama a Democratically controlled House as a re-election gift for his second term.

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#2 Jun 26, 2012
Could this be Obama's Waterloo? I am sick and tired of all the hype surrounding this mediocre at best, president. I can't wait till Romney knocks him out.
Then maybe the country can get some peace and heal up.
TedsLiver

San Jose, CA

#3 Jun 26, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Are these unpatriotic tea-baggers that stupid?
What part of Eric Holder and President Obama giving you idiots the middle finger don’t you understand? Executive Privilege has been invoked; that ain’t changing. You fools can go play in traffic until this November when we give President Obama a Democratically controlled House as a re-election gift for his second term.
. Fake marine, being a traitor, the best you can come up is the middle finger and play in traffic?
You are such a pathetic loser.

Since: Nov 08

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#4 Jun 26, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Are these unpatriotic tea-baggers that stupid?
What part of Eric Holder and President Obama giving you idiots the middle finger don’t you understand? Executive Privilege has been invoked; that ain’t changing. You fools can go play in traffic until this November when we give President Obama a Democratically controlled House as a re-election gift for his second term.
"Fact, Obama pisses on his oath and the constitution".
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#5 Jun 26, 2012
Fact: teaboogers fail.
grab a cold butttttttt

Fishers, IN

#6 Jun 26, 2012
again!;-0000
Florida

Lithia, FL

#7 Jun 26, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Are these unpatriotic tea-baggers that stupid?
What part of Eric Holder and President Obama giving you idiots the middle finger don’t you understand? Executive Privilege has been invoked; that ain’t changing. You fools can go play in traffic until this November when we give President Obama a Democratically controlled House as a re-election gift for his second term.
You libtard serve a constant, gracious, joyfully reminder as to the difficulty your sellout obama has in getting re-elected...
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Plain and Simple, Fast & Furious "Mobster Wisdom" started with a sellout Obama and festered like the Herpes sore on your libtard ass...
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Obama is a better gun salesman and mobster than a leader of the free world...
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You libtard still clueless and wandering lame in the desert of unconscious stupidity and idiot in your own backyard...
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Obama: If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun!
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It's the culture...

“The Commander-in-Chi ef”

Since: Jun 07

Always bet on Black

#8 Jun 26, 2012
Florida wrote:
<quoted text>
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Obama is a better gun salesman and mobster than a leader of the free world...
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Tell that to Osama bin Laden… oh yeah, you can’t… because he’s dead… LOL!

I love the fact that no matter what dishonest talking points/criticisms you spew out about this great President, all I have to invoke is the fact that President Obama single-handedly found and killed Osama bin Laden, LOL, I love it.
Mothra

Chandler, AZ

#9 Jun 26, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Are these unpatriotic tea-baggers that stupid?
What part of Eric Holder and President Obama giving you idiots the middle finger don’t you understand? Executive Privilege has been invoked; that ain’t changing. You fools can go play in traffic until this November when we give President Obama a Democratically controlled House as a re-election gift for his second term.
So much for the "adult in the room" argument.

LOL

Since: Feb 07

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#11 Jun 26, 2012
I don't want to use a computer program to translate this into the Spanish language. I need the help of a Mexican citizen who was effected by the F&F, or lost family at the hands of the drug gangs.
Florida

Lithia, FL

#12 Jun 26, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to Osama bin Laden… oh yeah, you can’t… because he’s dead… LOL!
I love the fact that no matter what dishonest talking points/criticisms you spew out about this great President, all I have to invoke is the fact that President Obama single-handedly found and killed Osama bin Laden, LOL, I love it.
Marine Corp Pat with leaps of faith from those who belong to the Church of Parrot Flunkie...
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LOL... The Most Accomplished President in the World..
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You libtard still clueless and still wandering lame in the desert of unconscious stupidity and idiot, and still lost in your own backyard moron...
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It's the culture...
Mothra

Chandler, AZ

#13 Jun 26, 2012
Florida wrote:
<quoted text>Marine Corp Pat with leaps of faith from those who belong to the Church of Parrot Flunkie...
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LOL... The Most Accomplished President in the World..
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You libtard still clueless and still wandering lame in the desert of unconscious stupidity and idiot, and still lost in your own backyard moron...
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It's the culture...
For MCP, it isn't the culture... it's the race.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Jun 26, 2012
He flouts the law with impunity pretty much on a daily basis. His objection to the AZ law was since HE didn't want to enforce the law no state was allowed to either. In the 8-0 ruling the entire SCOTUS objected to that. As with AZ, so goes the F & F problem. He doesn't care, doesn't want to follow the rules so, BINGO, King Obama declares the rules, or laws, invalid. This is how dictators rule, not Presidents of the US. I believe it will come out that not only did His Highness know about F&F, he authorized it to further his agenda to ban certain guns. As usual, the Boy-Child did not think even half a hour ahead of just what he had begun. Most boys grow out of that shortsightedness, our Boy King didn't. He's still stuck in the I want it, I want it! stage of prepubescence.

“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

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#15 Jun 26, 2012
Fast & Furious Was ... Bush’s Fault
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 8, 2011 3:20 P.M.

I was only able to take in parts of Attorney General Eric Holder’s just-completed Senate testimony. But that was enough to see that “Bush did it” is going to be the Democrats’ excuse for the inexcusable “Fast & Furious” operation conducted by ATF on the Obama administration’s watch.
On the Obama administration’s watch. That is the biggest problem with the Democrats’ strategy. Fast & Furious did not begin until 2009, months after the end of the Bush administration. Given that, one might think that even today’s Democrats would be unable with a straight face to lay this disaster at the feet of Obama’s predecessor. But then one wouldn’t know today’s Democrats.
The key to their strategy is conflating two very different programs: Operation Fast & Furious and a Bush era ATF initiative known as “Operation Wide Receiver.” In the questions from Judiciary Committee Democrats (principally, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer — there may have been others but, again, I didn’t see the entire hearing), it emerged that Wide Receiver began in 2006, when Alberto Gonzales was the Bush administration attorney general. Senator Schumer took pains to describe Wide Receiver as involving the “tracing” of firearms that crossed into Mexico. As we shall see, Wide Receiver’s notion of tracing was night-and-day different from the tracing involved in the reckless gun-walking approach employed by Fast & Furious. Obviously, however, Democrats hope that if they get enough help from their friends in the media, the public will miss the distinction.
Schumer made much of the happenstance that a briefing, said to have included information on Wide Receiver, was prepared for Michael Mukasey in late 2007, after he succeeded Gonzales as AG.(This is an amusing contradiction in the Democrats’ strategy: If a memo addressed to Holder in the middle of Fast & Furious emerges, you’re supposed to understand that, as attorney general, he is way too busy to read every memo; but if a memo is found to have been addressed to Mukasey or Gonzales years before Fast & Furious began, you should see them as the architects of gun-walking!)
Schumer pointed out that AG Mukasey had met with his counterpart, the Mexican attorney general, after the briefing, and that he had expressed a commitment to stanch the flow of guns to destinations south of the border. Schumer took these unremarkable facts, added the gloss that Wide Receiver involved gun tracing, and wildly theorized that it was very likely the subject of gun-walking came up in the Mukasey briefing — even though both Schumer and Holder conceded that they did not really know what was discussed at the briefing or even who was present at it (details you might figure Holder would be up on if it actually showed that this whole Fast & Furious fiasco was a Bush creation).
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“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

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#16 Jun 26, 2012
It was left to Republican Senators Charles Grassley and John Cornyn to lay bare some crucial distinctions between to two ATF operations. Wide Receiver actually involved not gun-walking but controlled delivery. Unlike gun-walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic. Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control — i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question — all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt.
Senator Schumer’s drawing of an equivalence between “tracing” in a controlled-delivery situation and “tracing” in Fast & Furious is laughable. In a controlled delivery firearms case, guns are traced in the sense that agents closely and physically follow them — they don’t just note the serial numbers or other identifying markers. The agents are thus able to trace the precise path of the guns from, say, American dealers to straw purchasers to Mexican buyers.
To the contrary, Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers — often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed by close physical surveillance; they were freely permitted to bulk transfer the guns to, among others, Mexican drug gangs and other violent criminals — with no agents on hand to swoop in, make arrests, and grab the firearms. The inevitable result of this was that the guns have been used (and will continue to be used) in many crimes, including the murder of Brian Terry, a U.S. border patrol agent.
In sum, the Fast & Furious idea of “trace” is that, after violent crimes occur in Mexico, we can trace any guns the Mexican police are lucky enough to seize back to the sales to U.S. straw purchasers … who should never have been allowed to transfer them (or even buy them) in the first place. That is not law enforcement; that is abetting a criminal rampage.
As Sen. Cornyn pointed out, there is another major distinction between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious. The former was actually a coordinated effort between American and Mexican authorities. Law enforcement agents in both countries kept each other apprised about suspected transactions and tried to work together to apprehend law-breakers. To the contrary, Fast & Furious was a unilateral, half-baked scheme cooked up by an agency of the Obama Justice Department an agency that was coordinating with the Justice Depart. on the operation and that turned to Main Justice in order to get wiretapping authority.
By the time Cornyn was done drawing this stark contrast between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious, Holder was reduced to conceding,“I’m not trying to equate the two.” That is big of him given that the two cannot be equated. But the attorney general seemed fine with the effort to equate them — to make them one and the same — when it was Schumer asking the questions. Expect the effort to continue.“Bush did it” may be a tired defense, and in this instance a preposterous one, but it’s the one the Democratic base loves to hear.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Wake Forest, NC

#17 Jun 26, 2012



Obama is our Criminal President.


It's time to put that POS in prison.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Wake Forest, NC

#18 Jun 26, 2012



"Let's just enforce the laws that I like instead of all of them."

- Barack Insane Obama

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Wake Forest, NC

#19 Jun 26, 2012


"Executive Privilege should not be used to Hide information from Congress."

- Sen. Barack Insane Obama

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Wake Forest, NC

#20 Jun 26, 2012



"I am not a crook!"

- Barack insane Obama


“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Wake Forest, NC

#21 Jun 26, 2012
In an email on May 18, 2010, obtained by Fox News, Dodson told an ATF colleague in Washington, "As it stands -- my (undercover) plan is a Go," adding that ATF policy neither explicitly authorizes nor prohibits "letting guns walk" for "my (undercover) plan."

Days later, Dodson told a federal prosecutor about the scheme to "walk" guns. The prosecutor told Dodson in an email that "as you develop your strategy" higher-ups in the U.S. Attorney's Office must "approve letting the straw purchased guns go."

Then, on May 27, 2010, Dodson sent what appears to be a final -- or near-final -- version of a written proposal to ATF group supervisor David Voth. According to the proposal, "walking 4 to 6" guns "would be a satisfactory amount to allow (agent) Dodson to win the favor of (Fernandez) and secure a higher position within the (firearms trafficking organization)."

"This request is predicated on ATF's previous authorization of allowing firearms to be trafficked ("walked") infurtherence (sic) of investigations which target (organizations) as opposed to individuals," said the proposal, as obtained by Fox News. "Lastly, the spirit of this request is to further represent ATF's position at the pinnacle of Federal Law Enforcement by again accepting the difficult missions and not shying away from the manner and means necessary to meet them."

Voth opposed the idea, he told congressional investigators last year and again more recently.

"I was not comfortable with his proposal because he wanted me to authorize him to provide firearms to a suspected firearms trafficker. I objected to it," Voth said in a sworn declaration submitted to Congress several months ago, an excerpt of which was recently obtained by Fox News.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/is...

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