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Elohim

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#37113
Aug 10, 2012
 
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Oh really? You're the one who believes that man evolved from a worm. Or do you feel better simply saying he evolved from a microbe and somehow bypassed the worm stage.
Once again you prove you know nothing of science as well as the paucity of your mind reading skills.
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#37114
Aug 10, 2012
 
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Once again you prove you know nothing of science as well as the paucity of your mind reading skills.
So you're calling me stupid for not accepting on faith that man evolved from a worm?
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#37115
Aug 10, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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As that post demonstrated, the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. For the same reason the theory of gravity does not rely on explaining the origin of mass, nor the germ theory of disease rely on explaining the origin of germs. Yet all of these scientific theories work.
Of course this HAS been explained to you before. The only rational conclusion can be is that you're just another typical dishonest fundie liar for Jesus.
Evolution states that no intelligent design exists. If it can't explain abiogenesis, then it is a baseless theory.
And the hypocrisy is self evident. All theories of abiogenesis propose simpler pre-life forms. Where do you draw the line between biology and inorganic matter? According to the theory of evolution, man is chemistry so there is no sharp distinction. Therefore, the dismissal of abiogenesis from evolution is arbitrary. It is obvious tha evolutionists have distanced themselves from it because they have no answers and think that by hiding they can win an argument.

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#37116
Aug 10, 2012
 
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>The point I was responding to is that no one is an expert in all areas of evolutionary study... Therefore all must concede to the credentials of others.
That is quite the leap from A to B. The first point is that since Evolution covers just about everything in Biology no one can be an expert in every single element. But the work that all the scientists do is available for all to see. No one has to simply rely on the credentials of another scientist and go, "Well if they say it is so that is good enough for me". The whole purpose of publishing the work is that so other scientists can review it and poke holes in it. Nothing is accepted on faith.

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#37117
Aug 10, 2012
 
wolverine wrote:
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“Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.”
Nikola Tesla quote
That's great and all but nothing to do with this discussion. The purpose of science is not to build practical inventions, that is a side benefit. The purpose of science is to explore and understand the world around us. Certain discoveries might take decades or longer to develop something 'useful' out of them, some might never provide anything more then insight into the world.

Evolution came about through the application of science in different fields. In the beginning it didn't yield much practical knowledge, it was just an exploration into the diversity of life. But thanks to our growing knowledge of genetics and immunology it now does produce practical benefits.

Also, the Tesla quote doesn't address your misunderstanding that Science has any kind of philosophical or political viewpoint.
RU CRS

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#37118
Aug 10, 2012
 
Knightmare wrote:
http://ipeedinthepool.tripod.c om/zombies_r_real.html
What Are The Symptoms Of Zombititus?
Zombititus has a few obvious symptoms. First, the infected area (if you are bitten) turns black. You begin to feel delusional and are unaware of what is going on. You find it diffucult to perform even the simpilist of tasks. Your bodily functions slow down, and your mind deteriorates. Eventually you die (this can all happen in as long as two days, or as short as two hours depending on the severity of the bite). Once you are dead, the disease continues to eat away at your body, like a rapid decompisition (once again, this can take up to two weeks or it can happen in a few hours). When all life has been destroyed, the corpse is revived (often times, it has already been buried, which is where zombies rising from their graves came from), and the monster goes on his killing spree.
MAN-O-MAN! I just took a nap and woke up and read you posting this stuff. I took you serious when you posted scripture in your post to me. Maybe I trust people too much. There are no zombies just brainwashed or druged up people living today.

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#37119
Aug 10, 2012
 
wolverine wrote:
Discord....Perhaps, Science Is The Tool, Lucifer Uses To Keep The Sheep Happy.
For, As Was Told In The Days Of Adam And Eve, We Forfieted The Tree Of Life, For The Tree Of Knowledge....A Destiny We Cannot Change.
We Are Ever Learning And Unable To Find The Truth.
Theories Are LIke Philosophy, An Opinion Even Though Based On Some Evidence....
Until Proven...Which Science Does Not Deal In....Its Pure Speculation, Not To Mention That MOst Of Science Is Funded Through Grants By Our Government...No Corruption Or Bias Ideology There...Huh ?
But, Of Course, You Free To Believe As You Please, Thanks To Pariots Who Died For Your Freedom.
Lucifer's tool? Like when Norman Borlaug used genetic and agricultural techniques to save over 1 billion lives?

Theories are not like philosophy and they are not opinion, they are explanation of evidence.

Sure, the process can be corrupted and people can still screw up, but we're talking about Science. The scientific method has no philosophical viewpoint.

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<quoted text>Evolution states that no intelligent design exists. If it can't explain abiogenesis, then it is a baseless theory.
Evolution takes no position on the possibility of an intelligent creator. And Evolution does not require abiogenesis. Evolution says life changes over time. Period. It doesn't say how life started. If life started through a natural chemical process, if life started by a bolt of lightning, or if life started by direct intervention of God, does not change that we observe life changing.

Think of it this way, there is a study of geology called Plate Tectonics, the study of how the crust of the Earth moves, causing earthquakes, among other things. Knowing how the Earth was formed is not necessary to understand Plate Tectonics. It would provide insight and a framework, to be sure, but we don't have to disregard plate tectonics if we don't know the exact means by which the Earth formed.
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#37121
Aug 10, 2012
 
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution states that no intelligent design exists. If it can't explain abiogenesis, then it is a baseless theory.
And the hypocrisy is self evident. All theories of abiogenesis propose simpler pre-life forms. Where do you draw the line between biology and inorganic matter? According to the theory of evolution, man is chemistry so there is no sharp distinction. Therefore, the dismissal of abiogenesis from evolution is arbitrary. It is obvious tha evolutionists have distanced themselves from it because they have no answers and think that by hiding they can win an argument.
A perfect analysis of the evolutionists position, well said. I look forward to the Dude trying to give some type of answer to you after you have disembowled him with the sword of reason and logic. It will be comical if nothing else.

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#37122
Aug 10, 2012
 
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution states that no intelligent design exists. If it can't explain abiogenesis, then it is a baseless theory.
And the hypocrisy is self evident. All theories of abiogenesis propose simpler pre-life forms. Where do you draw the line between biology and inorganic matter? According to the theory of evolution, man is chemistry so there is no sharp distinction. Therefore, the dismissal of abiogenesis from evolution is arbitrary. It is obvious tha evolutionists have distanced themselves from it because they have no answers and think that by hiding they can win an argument.
You didn't do well in school, did you?
RU CRS

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#37123
Aug 10, 2012
 
Discord wrote:
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Evolution takes no position on the possibility of an intelligent creator. And Evolution does not require abiogenesis. Evolution says life changes over time. Period. It doesn't say how life started. If life started through a natural chemical process, if life started by a bolt of lightning, or if life started by direct intervention of God, does not change that we observe life changing.
Think of it this way, there is a study of geology called Plate Tectonics, the study of how the crust of the Earth moves, causing earthquakes, among other things. Knowing how the Earth was formed is not necessary to understand Plate Tectonics. It would provide insight and a framework, to be sure, but we don't have to disregard plate tectonics if we don't know the exact means by which the Earth formed.
The main difference between Creationism and Evolutionism is in origins. Some Evolutionist insist that continuous change from a lower or simpler state brought life to a better or more complex advancement. New science really doesn't back that up.
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#37124
Aug 10, 2012
 
Tell us more about talking snakes. It sounds so scientific.
bohart wrote:
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A perfect analysis of the evolutionists position, well said. I look forward to the Dude trying to give some type of answer to you after you have disembowled him with the sword of reason and logic. It will be comical if nothing else.
HTS

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Aug 10, 2012
 
Discord wrote:
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Evolution takes no position on the possibility of an intelligent creator. And Evolution does not require abiogenesis. Evolution says life changes over time. Period. It doesn't say how life started. If life started through a natural chemical process, if life started by a bolt of lightning, or if life started by direct intervention of God, does not change that we observe life changing.
Think of it this way, there is a study of geology called Plate Tectonics, the study of how the crust of the Earth moves, causing earthquakes, among other things. Knowing how the Earth was formed is not necessary to understand Plate Tectonics. It would provide insight and a framework, to be sure, but we don't have to disregard plate tectonics if we don't know the exact means by which the Earth formed.

False.
Evolution says life changes over time through MUTATIONS and NATURAL SELECTION, ie, atheistic forces. No matter how you spin it, that's atheism.
Your analogy top late tectonics is irrelevant. Evolution takes a stand against ID. Plate tectonics doesn't

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RU CRS wrote:
<quoted text>The main difference between Creationism and Evolutionism is in origins. Some Evolutionist insist that continuous change from a lower or simpler state brought life to a better or more complex advancement. New science really doesn't back that up.
But that is not what the Theory of Evolution says or deals with, which is what I thought this discussion was about. Creationism deals with origins, Evolution does not. Evolution not being able to determine how life ultimately started is no more a weakness in the Theory then its inability to predict the weather.

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#37127
Aug 10, 2012
 
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False.
Evolution says life changes over time through MUTATIONS and NATURAL SELECTION, ie, atheistic forces. No matter how you spin it, that's atheism.
Your analogy top late tectonics is irrelevant. Evolution takes a stand against ID. Plate tectonics doesn't
Perhaps if you defined atheistic forces for me, that might help. For example, are tidal forces, magnetism, gravity and other natural forces atheistic?

Evolution doesn't take a stand against ID, it doesn't take a stand on the existence of a creator one way or another. You are absolutely free to believe in God and accept Evolution.
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#37128
Aug 10, 2012
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You didn't do well in school, did you?
As he so correctly stated, you have no answers , so you hide.
wolverine

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davy wrote:
Put your trust in the invisible cloud being!
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And, You Put Yours In Mankinds......I Dont Have Any Faith In Mankind. They Have A Terrible Record.

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#37130
Aug 10, 2012
 
HTS wrote:
Evolution states that no intelligent design exists. If it can't explain abiogenesis, then it is a baseless theory.
Since evolution is a theory intented to explain how *living* things change over time, why would it need to explain abiogenesis?
HTS wrote:
Where do you draw the line between biology and inorganic matter?
Where do you draw the line between Modern English and Middle English?
HTS wrote:
According to the theory of evolution, man is chemistry so there is no sharp distinction. Therefore, the dismissal of abiogenesis from evolution is arbitrary.
No, it isn't. Evolution deals with populations of living things that reproduce. Abiogenesis deals with non-living things that become living things.
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#37131
Aug 10, 2012
 
davy wrote:
Tell us more about talking snakes. It sounds so scientific.
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Compared to life emerging from a puddle of goo, the result of collected runoff from rain upon rocks. Talking snakes are the personification of simplicity.
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#37132
Aug 10, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
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Since evolution is a theory intented to explain how *living* things change over time, why would it need to explain abiogenesis?
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Where do you draw the line between Modern English and Middle English?
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No, it isn't. Evolution deals with populations of living things that reproduce. Abiogenesis deals with non-living things that become living things.
the line between modern English and middle English as an analogy between living and non living matter? Congratulations! you have captured the prize for the most imbecilic analytical comparison in the history of the 30,000 plus posts on this thread.

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