Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#30764 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Prove that He didn't.
Prove that we landed on the moon.
We have reflectors up there that we can bounce lasers on. We have orbiters that have taken photos of the lander parts left there, they even show the tracks of the astornauts footprints and the tracks of the little car they borought up there. verifiable proof. We have mena that have actually placed their feet on that that satellite and come back to tell the tale. is there any more proof you need?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#30765 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Sorry, no, I do not believe that at all. Christians morally upstanding people? Egads...Christians are still human, we still fail, some very miserably. So no, it isn't about that.
Your reasoning leaves out a lot of factors.
My reasoning?

I am simply pointing out a fallacy. I am not 'reasoning'

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#30766 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Sorry, no, I do not believe that at all. Christians morally upstanding people? Egads...Christians are still human, we still fail, some very miserably. So no, it isn't about that.
Your reasoning leaves out a lot of factors.
Well, if christians followed the bible accurately, they'd all be in prison.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30767 Jun 15, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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We have video, mineral samples, and data from that landing. There, done.
Now again, prove that Charles Manson was no Jesus.
Meteors fall from the sky all the time. No one can really prove that it is from the moon. Videos? Not with the way it looked. Where are the stars? Data can be falsified.

I've heard the conspiracy theories, they have very good points.

So, once again, you haven't proved anything. Other than you believe what someone wanted you to believe.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30768 Jun 15, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Well, if christians followed the bible accurately, they'd all be in prison.
That isn't true either. But whatever...

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30769 Jun 15, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>We have reflectors up there that we can bounce lasers on. We have orbiters that have taken photos of the lander parts left there, they even show the tracks of the astornauts footprints and the tracks of the little car they borought up there. verifiable proof. We have mena that have actually placed their feet on that that satellite and come back to tell the tale. is there any more proof you need?
Data can be false, men can lie...at one time pictures showed a face on Mars...

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30770 Jun 15, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Leviathan?
Leviathan? Dinosaur.

Wait are you implying dragons are dinosaurs?

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30771 Jun 15, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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My reasoning?
I am simply pointing out a fallacy. I am not 'reasoning'
No fallacy to point out. You're assuming that I'm making an assumption on the morality of Christians. I'm not.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#30772 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Prove that He didn't.
Prove that we landed on the moon.
Take a very strong laser, point it at the reflector that was left on the moon.

Lunar Laser Ranging experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Rang...

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#30773 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Leviathan? Dinosaur.
Wait are you implying dragons are dinosaurs?
??

Dragons are a fiction, made to explain early fossil finds.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#30774 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Meteors fall from the sky all the time. No one can really prove that it is from the moon. Videos? Not with the way it looked. Where are the stars? Data can be falsified.
I've heard the conspiracy theories, they have very good points.
So, once again, you haven't proved anything. Other than you believe what someone wanted you to believe.
Meteors have a different geologic make up than moondust

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#30775 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Meteors fall from the sky all the time. No one can really prove that it is from the moon. Videos? Not with the way it looked. Where are the stars? Data can be falsified.
I've heard the conspiracy theories, they have very good points.
So, once again, you haven't proved anything. Other than you believe what someone wanted you to believe.
"Conspiracy theories have very good points." You haven't actually been listening to them, have you? Unless you are really as gullible as I assume based on your buying an entire religious doctrine without having any evidence to support it.

The evidence I stated is enough for me, as well as the evidence pointed out about the reflectors and photographs of the Moon. That's solid evidence and there is no reason they would manufacture any of it. In reality, the Moon landing is pretty much not as important right now as other such Earth based scientific advances, why you would even put in the effort to contort the evidence so you can doubt it is beyond me, that's like doubting the claim that oil comes from dead plants and animals.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#30776 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Leviathan? Dinosaur.
Wait are you implying dragons are dinosaurs?
Dinosaurs did not exist when the bible was written, but dragon mythology did.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#30777 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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No fallacy to point out. You're assuming that I'm making an assumption on the morality of Christians. I'm not.
Okay great.

Charles Mansion proclaimed that he is a Christian.

Charles Mansion believes in the Bible and the Second Coming of Jesus.

Charles Mansion is a Christian

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#30778 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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That isn't true either. But whatever...
It most certainly is true. First, you must read the bible to see what it says and what it claims are god given laws and directives.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You should not let a sorceress live.(Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Need more?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30779 Jun 15, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Okay great.
Charles Mansion proclaimed that he is a Christian.
Charles Mansion believes in the Bible and the Second Coming of Jesus.
Charles Mansion is a Christian
Charles Manson proclaimed to believe he was both the Jesus and the devil...that is in no way any kind of Christian.

To believe in the Bible...{sigh}...Jesus said even satan believes and trembles. That doesn't make satan a christian.

{By the way: here is an example I found on another forum of just how morality can be twisted in relative subjective morality...}

Charles Manson didn't kill anyone, and I don't think he's crazy.
If you really listen to him he makes sense, and that may make you think you are crazy.
It's what I call Psychotic-logic.
So people labeled him crazy to justify their own hidden truth.. understand?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30780 Jun 15, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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It most certainly is true. First, you must read the bible to see what it says and what it claims are god given laws and directives.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
You should not let a sorceress live.(Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Need more?
And yet Jesus died and rose. He took the punishment of all that onto Himself. So that there would not need for that kind of judgement UNLESS we decide not to believe and follow Him.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#30781 Jun 15, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Dinosaurs did not exist when the bible was written, but dragon mythology did.
Uh-huh...

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#30782 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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And yet Jesus died and rose. He took the punishment of all that onto Himself. So that there would not need for that kind of judgement UNLESS we decide not to believe and follow Him.
So, billions of sinners must spend eternity in hell, but your jesus god, who took on all sin, only had to spend 3 days? WTF?

This is what jesus said about god's laws.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Until heaven and Earth pass and ALL is fulfilled, that includes the second coming, not one dot shall pass from the law.

Have you stoned a non-believer, for your god, today? NO!?!? WTF!?!? You're gonna be in trouble! You're not following your god's laws!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#30783 Jun 15, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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And yet Jesus died and rose. He took the punishment of all that onto Himself. So that there would not need for that kind of judgement UNLESS we decide not to believe and follow Him.
So then, it doesn't matter what you do, you can kill for any reason, steal whatever you like, and even rape whoever or whatever you want, as long as you just accept this "reward?"

Not a very good moral guide there.

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