UPDATE 1-U.S. voters see Medicare as a top election issue - poll

bottlecap wrote:

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I heard the movie does the job of exposing Obama that the MSM, aka the LIARS(Liberal Intelligentsia And Rich Socialists) Club, did not do.
The movie came out today.

It'll move quickly to dvd.

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>Why, Obama is the only one to make Medicare cuts to the tune of 716 billion dollars to pay for his 21 new tax boondogle named ObamaScare.

1) the 716B is in future savings for Medicare by lowering payments to hospitals and private insurers. Benefits will not be affected in any way. In fact, Obama is saving beneficiaries money by closing the prescription drug "donut" and providing more coverage for wellness checkups and screenings. On top of that, the CBO estimates that the savings will prolong the Medicare fund by almost a decade.

2) Paul Ryan included the 716B "cut" in his budget plan. Every single Republican voted for the Ryan budget. Twice. Mittens has said that he would sign the Ryan budget into law if he gets the chance. The only difference is that Ryan, Mittens and the GOP takes that 716B and uses to pay for more tax cuts for the rich rather putting it back into Medicare and healthcare like Obama. The GOP plan turns Medicare into a voucher program.

I don't know if you are a liar or just ignorant but you really don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about.

conservative crapola wrote:

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How long have you been playing stink finger on others?

I have one little 3 letter word for you...Go F yourself... LOL It's the 20th century. Now ya'll go get back in your chains. LOL and you like the guy...LOL Jackazz.

Obamaloney has made Democrats retarded. Look what it's done to Biden. Enough proof for ya'll yet.LOL

conservative crapola wrote:

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Just when ya thought cons COULDN'T get any more f**king stupid they rollout a palinesque two face like ryan and prove ya wrong.
Bwahahahahahahahaha

oh my, pete and repeat.......polly wanna an EBT card.

Giggs wrote:

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1) the 716B is in future savings for Medicare by lowering payments to hospitals and private insurers. Benefits will not be affected in any way. In fact, Obama is saving beneficiaries money by closing the prescription drug "donut" and providing more coverage for wellness checkups and screenings. On top of that, the CBO estimates that the savings will prolong the Medicare fund by almost a decade.
2) Paul Ryan included the 716B "cut" in his budget plan. Every single Republican voted for the Ryan budget. Twice. Mittens has said that he would sign the Ryan budget into law if he gets the chance. The only difference is that Ryan, Mittens and the GOP takes that 716B and uses to pay for more tax cuts for the rich rather putting it back into Medicare and healthcare like Obama. The GOP plan turns Medicare into a voucher program.
I don't know if you are a liar or just ignorant but you really don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about.

Yawn, Ryans plan has nothing to do with with Obama stealing 716 billion dollars from Medicare to pay for his Obama Scare boondoggle......IF RYANS PLAN WAS IN PLAY, RYAN TOOK THE 716 BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE AND PUT IT BACK IN MEDICARE TO SHORE IT UP FROM BANKRUPCY.........GET A CLUE.

Eric,
500 billion of Obama's savings was the Advantage plan in Medicare. Savings being a misnomer because it went into the Obamacare pool. The trade there was for AARP, they support the cut and Obamacare and become an insurance provider.

Costing Ryan's plan is disingenuous for 2 reasons, at best the estimates are guesses based on an old discarded plan and two, if you can't or won't cost out Obamacare then there is no basis for your post.

Both plans have pros and cons. Obamacare is a reality, Ryan's is no better or worse than all of Obama's campaign promises.

How you can't see the tremendous cost potential in Obamacare, not just to seniors, but to everyone amazes me. A lame try would be, but Ryan's costs more. Maybe, but we can't afford the one that is here and now.

Those that can afford to pay more will have to, they just won't get more, and those that can't afford it, will get less, a situation where no one wins.

Partisan blindness.

allcladrad wrote:

Eric,
500 billion of Obama's savings was the Advantage plan in Medicare. Savings being a misnomer because it went into the Obamacare pool. The trade there was for AARP, they support the cut and Obamacare and become an insurance provider.
Costing Ryan's plan is disingenuous for 2 reasons, at best the estimates are guesses based on an old discarded plan and two, if you can't or won't cost out Obamacare then there is no basis for your post.
Both plans have pros and cons. Obamacare is a reality, Ryan's is no better or worse than all of Obama's campaign promises.
How you can't see the tremendous cost potential in Obamacare, not just to seniors, but to everyone amazes me. A lame try would be, but Ryan's costs more. Maybe, but we can't afford the one that is here and now.
Those that can afford to pay more will have to, they just won't get more, and those that can't afford it, will get less, a situation where no one wins.
Partisan blindness.

This has nothing to do with Partisian BS, this is as simple as counting and knowing the existing law governing Medicare and the Affordable Care Act. I can tell where your concept of the debate originated. Ryan has been in congress 14 years, you would think he knows that funding in both the Medicare and Social Security trust can only be used to fund either of those programs and not allowed for use in any other federal programs. If I know and understand that how is it he does not? It's simple Ryan was Lying!

There are "three big lies" in the GOP's and Ryan's lie of the Medicare spin.

The first is the claim that the $716 billion - the Congressional Budget Office's latest estimate for the next 10 years' savings as a result of the Affordable Care Act - is somehow being raided from care for senior citizens.

The second big lie - central to Ryan's Thursday speech - is that the $716 billion cut from Medicare's growth curve is "funding Obamacare.

And the third big lie is that Obama is a threat to Medicare.

Ryan cuts Medicare more than Obamacare does. Ryan's cuts come from shifting the cost of Medicare onto seniors elevating their individual premiums by more than $500.00 a month or over $6500.00 a year, plus an expansion in the Medicare Part D prescription plan by expanding the infamous Donut Hole.

The Affordable Care Act cuts future spending for Medicare - by slowing planned increases in payments to providers such as hospitals and nursing homes. The providers agreed to the cuts for a simple reason: They expect to get the money back, because the law also promises to cover tens of millions of formerly uninsured people - ensuring that they'll get more paying patients and fewer cases of uncompensated care.

Most responsible Citizens see the issue as part of a broader problem of escalating health-care costs - not just in Medicare and Medicaid,but in the private market, as well.

Ryan, Romney and most of today's conservatives want to apply their usual prescription for everything: the magic of the market, even though it has largely failed to control costs in medicine's private sector.

There's absolutely no evidence that theory works for something as essential as health care, where consumers see their well-being and lives at stake.

For instance, the Medicare Advantage Plan only had 4 to 5 Million subscribers of the 46 Million on Medicare. It's fair to suggest that a scheduled payment over 10 years of $716 Billion for covering those 4 to 5 Million seniors on Medicare and Medicare Prescription Part D payments was exploiting the Federal Government, but after all the Bush Administration allowed the Health Care Insurance Lobbist to write those legislations, all to their benefit.

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>Yawn, Ryans plan has nothing to do with with Obama stealing 716 billion dollars from Medicare to pay for his Obama Scare boondoggle......IF RYANS PLAN WAS IN PLAY, RYAN TOOK THE 716 BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE AND PUT IT BACK IN MEDICARE TO SHORE IT UP FROM BANKRUPCY.........GET A CLUE.

The $716 Billion you're throwing around is something you obvious do not have the sophistication to understand, so thus you shouldn't debate this issue any further until you do just a bit of research on the issues of Medicare Funding, Medicare Trust Laws, and the Affordable Care Act.

For the slow people, the $716 Billion reflects Medicare Savings of $71.6 Billion Annually over 10 years. A Concept Republicans don't understand, gradual cost savings over a period of time. This savings was achieved by renegotiating with Insurance providers the cost associated with Prescription Plans, and Health Care cost of Seniors in Medicare Advantage programs and nursing home facilities throughout America. America was no receiving $71.6 Billion worth of services from the providers those funds were guaranteed profits for the insurance and pharmacy industry for services not rendered.

There is no way that coverage for 5 Million seniors who aren't the sickest of the senior pool in America, on Medicare, plus prescription plans void of real discounts for participants,$71.6 Billion Annually.

Both the Pharmacy and Health Care Insurance companies were pretty much looting America with the blessings of the GOP who signed off on those proposals.

Bottom line, Ryan is avoiding the real issue that will have a negative impact on Senior Citizens should the Affordable Care Act be repealed, Medication cost immediately increase, and preventive care ceases to exist as part of any medicare package, and that $71.6 Billion that annually goes to the providers for services they do not provided comes directly from the pockets of the nation's seniors, most who are on fixed incomes to the tune of an extra $500.00 in premiums a month. Romney suggest his plan provides them a choice, but only if they can afford to payments.

The GOP Plan will ration medical treatments, and pretty much cut off Seniors after their allotment is used completely. Romney and Ryan plan benefits the Insurance Companies by guaranteeing their profits on the backs of Seniors, and pays towards providing a tax rate reduction to the tip tier earners in America.

Giggs wrote:

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1) the 716B is in future savings for Medicare by lowering payments to hospitals and private insurers. Benefits will not be affected in any way. In fact, Obama is saving beneficiaries money by closing the prescription drug "donut" and providing more coverage for wellness checkups and screenings. On top of that, the CBO estimates that the savings will prolong the Medicare fund by almost a decade.
2) Paul Ryan included the 716B "cut" in his budget plan. Every single Republican voted for the Ryan budget. Twice. Mittens has said that he would sign the Ryan budget into law if he gets the chance. The only difference is that Ryan, Mittens and the GOP takes that 716B and uses to pay for more tax cuts for the rich rather putting it back into Medicare and healthcare like Obama. The GOP plan turns Medicare into a voucher program.
I don't know if you are a liar or just ignorant but you really don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about.

Eric Gustafson wrote:

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The $716 Billion you're throwing around is something you obvious do not have the sophistication to understand, so thus you shouldn't debate this issue any further until you do just a bit of research on the issues of Medicare Funding, Medicare Trust Laws, and the Affordable Care Act.
For the slow people, the $716 Billion reflects Medicare Savings of $71.6 Billion Annually over 10 years. A Concept Republicans don't understand, gradual cost savings over a period of time. This savings was achieved by renegotiating with Insurance providers the cost associated with Prescription Plans, and Health Care cost of Seniors in Medicare Advantage programs and nursing home facilities throughout America. America was no receiving $71.6 Billion worth of services from the providers those funds were guaranteed profits for the insurance and pharmacy industry for services not rendered.
There is no way that coverage for 5 Million seniors who aren't the sickest of the senior pool in America, on Medicare, plus prescription plans void of real discounts for participants,$71.6 Billion Annually.
Both the Pharmacy and Health Care Insurance companies were pretty much looting America with the blessings of the GOP who signed off on those proposals.

CALL FOR OBAMA TO VISIT ISRAEL, ALLAY IRAN... Report: Obama may visit Israel this month since it has been made clear to him that Isreal wasn't in Wisconsin and that Isreal didn't have black neighborhoods, both places Obama seeems to avoid..........more nightly news to come.

Eric,
When the government cuts costs where do you think the savings go? Surely not back to you.

Medicare Advantage is being eliminated by Obama and the cost savings will be used to off set Obamacare, not a lie.

Seniors health care going up $400 a month? Much closer to a lie. Remember no increase in SS income for 2 years? Reason, low inflation, now there is a lie. Obama reduced SS funding to assist others, subverting money before it gets to the trust, clever. Obama abandoned seniors and now pretends he loves us again. You can't see that?

Government spends SS, and any other money it can get its hands on, every day, they do occasionally put an IOU in the til. But, the payback is also borrowed.

Regardless, if someone doesn't put the brakes on and try to match spending to income, it won't matter.

Medicare Advantage doesn't accept all seniors equally. Seniors with more sever medical issues are denied access to the private insurance program called Medicare Advantage. Had you checked your parents Medicare premiums and prescription pricing since Medicare Part D came online as law? Sure sounds like you had not.

Health Insurers receiving $71.6 Billion annually agreed to forgo those payments in exchange for the opportunity to swell their subscription rolls by 50 Million, the number of Citizens who will be purchasing Insurance under the ACA.

There is no way that insuring 5 Million Seniors should have ever risen to a a cost of $71.6 Billion annually. Medicare Advantage escalates Health Care Cost and has lead to sky rocketing premium through out the system for both Medicare, Medicaid and Private Premium subscribers.

The current saving go directly back to Seniors in the form of prescriptions at a greater discount, and free health screens and cancer check ups from their providers. Prior to the ACA those critical services for Seniors were never covered and required an additional payment for seniors. Should the GOP win and repeal the ACA those programs fall by the wayside and that cost falls squarely on the heads of our Nation's Seniors, for those seniors that can afford those additional cost.

It's a lie to think or say no senior will be effected only those age 54 and below. The Donut Hole will have an immediate financial impact.

Social Security increases is directly tide to the increase in the Consumer Price Index, there can be no withdraw from the Trust Fund to support any other federal program, that's a lie to suggest that funds were used for other programs and seniors were denied an increase because some hair brain scheme. Those funds are protected by Laws, only the Treasury in exchange for special bonds can reallocated funds held in the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds, that's always been the law. Congressmen Ryan should as a member of Congress for 14 years understand that, and most citizens with some degree of understanding about their government also understands.

Those of you who do not know much about the Government, and how those subscriber paid into programs and laws work will believe anything repeated since you are not working with much in terms of knowledge to being with.

allcladrad wrote:

Eric,
When the government cuts costs where do you think the savings go? Surely not back to you.
Medicare Advantage is being eliminated by Obama and the cost savings will be used to off set Obamacare, not a lie.
Seniors health care going up $400 a month? Much closer to a lie. Remember no increase in SS income for 2 years? Reason, low inflation, now there is a lie. Obama reduced SS funding to assist others, subverting money before it gets to the trust, clever. Obama abandoned seniors and now pretends he loves us again. You can't see that?
Government spends SS, and any other money it can get its hands on, every day, they do occasionally put an IOU in the til. But, the payback is also borrowed.
Regardless, if someone doesn't put the brakes on and try to match spending to income, it won't matter.

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>CALL FOR OBAMA TO VISIT ISRAEL, ALLAY IRAN... Report: Obama may visit Israel this month since it has been made clear to him that Isreal wasn't in Wisconsin and that Isreal didn't have black neighborhoods, both places Obama seeems to avoid..........more nightly news to come.

Chicken Scratch attempt to deflect from the fact you are attempting to debate a subject you are ill prepared to discuss, right?

Here is a fact, no Government outside of America's has any degree of respect for Mitt Romney, that includes Israel. Romney just a few weeks ago during his Olympic visit made a complete jack ass of himself in Britain.

Out allies consider Romney the potential second coming of W....... he's a laughing stock around the world.

coughnuroff wrote:

<quoted text>Ryan is a liar. And Romney is a weasel. All you people that want what's bad in America in the Whitehouse. Shame on you!!!!!!

Are you posting in Al Jolson esque black face today?? Biden's step and fetch it routine was disgusting. Not to Obama's "progressive" Freaks but to every other good hearted American.

Eric,
You deflect, Medicare Advantage is being cut. The savings is being used to help finance Obamacare.

That is reality, your justifications don't alter the facts.

My parents passed, it is me and mine, who concern me.

OMB says Medicare is solid until 2029, not my problem, but it will be my children and grand children's. It must have passed you by when you read that and somehow felt good, instead of questioning it.

Eric, please, inflation is manipulated to suit the government. Adding and subtracting factors to balance their books. And, there isn't just 1 CPI, seniors can be losing ground in New York while those in New Orleans stay even. Forget the millions in population difference.

Trust fund would seem to suggest that there were actually funds in it. That is not the case with SS, the cash we contribute(d) is used to buy government paper. That trust fund holds paper securities, securities that were fairly decent when the dollar was 25% stronger than today and when our debt wasn't going up with no attempt to curb it.

All you have said so far is, the other guy is worse than mine, but I am willing to pay more for less worse, which I guess would be okay, if you didn't continue to defend your guy's less worse performance.

Obama violating our rights since 2008

Eric Gustafson wrote:

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Chicken Scratch attempt to deflect from the fact you are attempting to debate a subject you are ill prepared to discuss, right?
Here is a fact, no Government outside of America's has any degree of respect for Mitt Romney, that includes Israel. Romney just a few weeks ago during his Olympic visit made a complete jack ass of himself in Britain.
Out allies consider Romney the potential second coming of W....... he's a laughing stock around the world.

• Poll: 40 percent of eligible voters unlikely to vote, a group Obama camp needs to reach

AP

A poll by Suffolk University found roughly 40 percent of America’s eligible voters said they’ll probably sit out the November election.
Republicans are more energized than liberals. Liberals that in 08 were energized to a rate of 61 now have dropped to 38%.........republicans now hold the 61% which spells trouble for Obama.
Poll: Not better off now than in 2008...of 12 swing states polled, 56% say they and their families are not better off.

Medicare Advantage robes medicare of funding that should be used in the traditional program.$71.6 Billion Annually was being charged by the Health Care insurers and pharmacy industry to care for 5 Million Seniors using Medicare Advantage, and ordering prescriptions up to $2600 dollar a year, those covered were the least of the sickest seniors who are eligible to sign up for Medicare Advantage, there is no way that covering 5 Million of the least sickest seniors on Medicare cost in excess $71.6 Billion a year.

Medicare Advantage is a scheme to loot the Medicare Trust Fund by the Insurance, and Pharmacy industry who wrote the Medicare Part D Law and implementations to Medicare Advantage programs.

Someone should be going to jail for agreeing to such a travesty.

allcladrad wrote:

Eric,
You deflect, Medicare Advantage is being cut. The savings is being used to help finance Obamacare.
That is reality, your justifications don't alter the facts.
My parents passed, it is me and mine, who concern me.
OMB says Medicare is solid until 2029, not my problem, but it will be my children and grand children's. It must have passed you by when you read that and somehow felt good, instead of questioning it.
Eric, please, inflation is manipulated to suit the government. Adding and subtracting factors to balance their books. And, there isn't just 1 CPI, seniors can be losing ground in New York while those in New Orleans stay even. Forget the millions in population difference.
Trust fund would seem to suggest that there were actually funds in it. That is not the case with SS, the cash we contribute(d) is used to buy government paper. That trust fund holds paper securities, securities that were fairly decent when the dollar was 25% stronger than today and when our debt wasn't going up with no attempt to curb it.
All you have said so far is, the other guy is worse than mine, but I am willing to pay more for less worse, which I guess would be okay, if you didn't continue to defend your guy's less worse performance.

The Social Security Trust Funds are the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) and the Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Funds. These funds are accounts managed by the Department of the Treasury. They serve two purposes:(1) they provide an accounting mechanism for tracking all income to and disbursements from the trust funds, and (2) they hold the accumulated assets. These accumulated assets provide automatic spending authority to pay benefits. The Social Security Act limits trust fund expenditures to benefits and administrative costs.
Benefits to retired workers and their families, and to families of deceased workers, are paid from the OASI Trust Fund. Benefits to disabled workers and their families are paid from the DI Trust Fund. More than 98 percent of total disbursements in 2011 were for benefit payments.

A Board of Trustees oversees the financial operations of the trust funds. The Board reports annually to the Congress on the financial status of the trust funds.

By law, income to the trust funds must be invested, on a daily basis, in securities guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government. All securities held by the trust funds are "special issues" of the United States Treasury. Such securities are available only to the trust funds.

2011 Trustees Report http://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/tr11summary.pd...

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Clause.

allcladrad wrote:

Eric,
You deflect, Medicare Advantage is being cut. The savings is being used to help finance Obamacare.
That is reality, your justifications don't alter the facts.
My parents passed, it is me and mine, who concern me.
OMB says Medicare is solid until 2029, not my problem, but it will be my children and grand children's. It must have passed you by when you read that and somehow felt good, instead of questioning it.
Eric, please, inflation is manipulated to suit the government. Adding and subtracting factors to balance their books. And, there isn't just 1 CPI, seniors can be losing ground in New York while those in New Orleans stay even. Forget the millions in population difference.
Trust fund would seem to suggest that there were actually funds in it. That is not the case with SS, the cash we contribute(d) is used to buy government paper. That trust fund holds paper securities, securities that were fairly decent when the dollar was 25% stronger than today and when our debt wasn't going up with no attempt to curb it.
All you have said so far is, the other guy is worse than mine, but I am willing to pay more for less worse, which I guess would be okay, if you didn't continue to defend your guy's less worse performance.