Hawaii's Civil Union Law Greeted With Lawsuit

Dec 30, 2011 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.courthousenews.com

Two Christian churches have filed a federal complaint to stop Hawaii's new civil union law in its tracks, claiming the legislation is unconstitutional.

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Dec 31, 2011
 
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I've got a sneaking suspicion that this case is the brainlesschild of one of our favorite right wing legal groups like the Liberty Counsel or the Thomas More Law Center, if at first they fail miserably, try, try again to defend the religious "right" to bigotry. They probably wanted to get this into court months ago, but they just couldn't find any "churches" willing to put their names to this nonsense. From what others have said about these two fine religious institutions, whoever is really footing the bills had to seriously scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone to claim they were being harmed. I can imagine some poor clerk having to call just about every religious group in the Honolulu phone book begging for plaintiffs on this one.
Well, that is pathetic......hopefully they get handed their butts......lol!!!

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Lilith_SatansWhore wrote:
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All major changes were achieved in a span of about ten years.... during which there were riots and threats of violence that forced white people into the understanding that they meant business..... when was the last LGBT major riot???
35-45 years, dearheart.
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Lilith_SatansWhore wrote:
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All major changes were achieved in a span of about ten years.... during which there were riots and threats of violence that forced white people into the understanding that they meant business..... when was the last LGBT major riot???
Saturday, June 28, 1969 and lasted 3 days

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Jan 1, 2012
 
Congrats to the wonderful people of Hawaii on obtaining Civil Unions! Progress is a beautiful thing.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You should get your Democratic controlled legislature to pass marriage equality and be done with it. What's the problem? The Dems have an 86% majority in the House and 96% majority in the Senate, and now a Democratic Governor as well. How can they not come up with a simple majority vote for marriage equality?
Dan/Stan/Frank/Fred? Is that you?

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I realize it is the church bringing the lawsuit, but is this really the fight we need right now? Technically a church is not a private business; what's wrong with making an exemption for them?
I think the reasonable line to draw would be any organization which can qualify for religious tax-exempt status who's primary function isn't running a business open to the general public. In other words, a reception hall owned by the Knights of Columbus would be exempt, but a Catholic Church owned bridal gown shop would NOT be exempt.
So, for example, would the exemption extend to Boston College, which is affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church? Would they then also be able to discriminate in rental housing based on their religious preferences? Even in their vast real estate holdings that are held for investment purposes?

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RnL2008 wrote:
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Got it.......do these people not bother to do the research before they file these lawsuits? If the folks lost in New Jersey, why do they believe they have a chance to win?
And this is a bit presumptuous on their part, isn't it? I mean they could have done this much earlier, why did they wait?
What you fail to understand is the value of Hail Mary's to the churches. There's always the small chance that some juror somewhere will do their bidding. But even when they lose, it is just more evidence to their misled flocks that the homosexual government is discriminating against the righteous.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I've got a sneaking suspicion that this case is the brainlesschild of one of our favorite right wing legal groups like the Liberty Counsel or the Thomas More Law Center, if at first they fail miserably, try, try again to defend the religious "right" to bigotry. They probably wanted to get this into court months ago, but they just couldn't find any "churches" willing to put their names to this nonsense. From what others have said about these two fine religious institutions, whoever is really footing the bills had to seriously scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone to claim they were being harmed. I can imagine some poor clerk having to call just about every religious group in the Honolulu phone book begging for plaintiffs on this one.
They've probably promised to pay the pastors $250 as expert witnesses...
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You're off base on this one. Any religious person can currently solemnize any civil union or even marriage in their church already. Preventing the govt from recognizing those unions doesn't actually have any impact on religious freedom, while forcing religious affiliated organizations to host same-sex ceremonies WOULD impact their religious freedom.
That said, this current lawsuit is BS since the govt recognizing civil unions doesn't mean any clergy can be forced to perform those ceremonies. The only part of the suit that may have merit is if religious affiliated organization can be forced to rent out their facilities for any same-sex ceremonies or receptions etc. Now I understand that if you are renting out your space to the general public you can't discriminate, but I don't have a problem if a private religious a group like the Knights of Columbus are exempt from such public accommodation laws.
Indeed, what you say here proves that the lawsuit is BS. If any religious person can solemnize a union in a church right now and this WOULDN'T change after any attempt to make civil unions "illegal," then logic dictates that those against civil unions are NOT being forced to do anything against their conscience.

In fact, it's excellent logic to nullify the legitimacy of ANY current "ban" on marriage equality in any state, much less civil unions. If religious persons can do whatever they want despite those bans, then nothing prevents any church person from recognizing what the "RELIGIOUS" THEMSELVES are claiming NO ONE should recognize, and this WON'T change if marriage equality were legal nationwide.

In other words, throw anything at me and I will find a (reasonable, logical, sensible) way in which it again reinforces that NOT having marriage equality is a theft of rights.

I'm not saying you were trying to "throw a wrench" into what I said in a malicious way. I'm saying that I refuse not to be relentless; therefore, cooperative with your post, I simply take the logic and run with it.

I don't care on what grounds this lawsuit is fought. They need to be fought so relentlessly that they begin to have financial problems because of it (according to an editorial I read last week, beginning to happen) and begin to grow exhausted with the effort (as anecdotally reported, beginning to happen). Their whole grounded "objection" to this is utterly senseless, but now I'm simply telling you things you already know.

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nhjeff wrote:
They've probably promised to pay the pastors $250 as expert witnesses...
I haven't been able to find who is really behind this case, they are using a local attorney as a front, but I'd be willing to bet it took a heck of a lot more money than that.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't been able to find who is really behind this case, they are using a local attorney as a front, but I'd be willing to bet it took a heck of a lot more money than that.
I meant $250/hour

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nhjeff wrote:
I meant $250/hour
That sounds more like it. The groups likely behind this suit do like to flush money like that.

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Rick and nhjeff are on the right track.
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Jan 2, 2012
 
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't been able to find who is really behind this case, they are using a local attorney as a front, but I'd be willing to bet it took a heck of a lot more money than that.
simple it came from the Mormon's you think after the bad publicity in California there going to put there necks out, nope they got 2 patsy churches to do there dirty work, I'm quite sure it's more like 250K than $250 involved I can see it now.
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