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'Ban won't stop people smoking'

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#292
Nov 10, 2008
 
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>A classic example that bans do not work and are doomed to fail.
Landlords are fighting to keep their head above water faced with a choice between bending the rules or going out of business.
Before long the traditional community pub could be a thing of the past.
One landlord, who allows his customers to smoke after hours, says:“I would say at least half of pubs like this are doing what we do.
http://www.lep.co.uk/features/Landlords-ignor...
If you reversed the ban, most of those pubs wouldnt re-open, peoples social habits have altered over the past few years. There were simply far too many pubs, where i live (in an out of city residential suburb) there are still about twenty licensed bars within ten minutes walk, so many that some close for certain days or in one case the whole season and this has gone on for twenty years (long before any ban).

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Nov 10, 2008
 
albion wrote:
<quoted text>If you reversed the ban, most of those pubs wouldnt re-open, peoples social habits have altered over the past few years. There were simply far too many pubs, where i live (in an out of city residential suburb) there are still about twenty licensed bars within ten minutes walk, so many that some close for certain days or in one case the whole season and this has gone on for twenty years (long before any ban).
The fact is according to the article half the pubs in the UK are violating the ban just to stay afloat. That should tell you something. You can make all the excuses you want but the fact remains that the bans may help the big chains but it is killing the small business owner.

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Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>The fact is according to the article half the pubs in the UK are violating the ban just to stay afloat. That should tell you something. You can make all the excuses you want but the fact remains that the bans may help the big chains but it is killing the small business owner.
I and my friends and relatives live in the UK, nobody i know has been in a pub where smoking took place since the ban came in. There have been very few breaches of the law, the article is a gross exaggeration.
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albion wrote:
<quoted text>If you reversed the ban, most of those pubs wouldnt re-open, peoples social habits have altered over the past few years. There were simply far too many pubs, where i live (in an out of city residential suburb) there are still about twenty licensed bars within ten minutes walk, so many that some close for certain days or in one case the whole season and this has gone on for twenty years (long before any ban).
As you live in the UK and see what is going on firsthand, I would take you word for it over someone living in the US who likely has never even seen a Britsh pub.
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<quoted text> As you live in the UK and see what is going on firsthand, I would take you word for it over someone living in the US who likely has never even seen a Britsh pub.
Here you go Candid. Just what you asked for.

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#298
Dec 25, 2008
 
Tis a step in the right direction. People will follow those with better health habits. It's human nature.

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#299
Dec 26, 2008
 
Here in Chicago, the ban is a joke in many small neighborhood bars. Al Capone is laughing in his grave.
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