Abortion war hits Britain

Apr 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Salon

An activist stands outside a branch of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, a clinic which offers abortions, in central London.

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1st Post Petey, come on down!
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great just what we need, another crappy american import

please preserve us from 'THOSE WHO ALWAYS KNOW BEST'

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Faloola Chong wrote:
great just what we need, another crappy american import
please preserve us from 'THOSE WHO ALWAYS KNOW BEST'
Still PO'd about getting your butt run out of the US I see.

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A Baby is Life wrote:
1st Post Petey, come on down!
Him and the dyke will be here soon. They always show up when it comes to murdering the most innocent.
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Faloola Chong wrote:
great just what we need, another crappy american import
please preserve us from 'THOSE WHO ALWAYS KNOW BEST'
If you hadn't had a crappy American import in 1942 you would be speaking German and giving a Nazi salute to Adolf's grandson. Now you know why we rely more on the French.
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PATRIOT wrote:
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If you hadn't had a crappy American import in 1942 you would be speaking German and giving a Nazi salute to Adolf's grandson. Now you know why we rely more on the French.
Well, that's an American import we could well do without.

I just cannot see how what we do in Britain could affect people in America.

Would a British protest would be welcome in America?

Abortion is a purely personal problem and shouldn't even been left to debate. After all, abortion is never imposed on those who don't want it.

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If you hadn't had a crappy American import in 1942 you would be speaking German and giving a Nazi salute to Adolf's grandson. Now you know why we rely more on the French.
Yes the USA did best out of the aftermath of WW2......Becoming a global superpower in the process.

I now ask the question, what has America done with her superpower status?

Bay of Pigs Invasion (Cuba)= Failure

Man on the moon (point of that?)= Success

Vietnam = Failure

Iraq = Failure

Afghanistan = Soon to be Failure

America could have done so much more with her status, but......
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Yes the USA did best out of the aftermath of WW2......Becoming a global superpower in the process.
I now ask the question, what has America done with her superpower status?
Bay of Pigs Invasion (Cuba)= Failure
Man on the moon (point of that?)= Success
Vietnam = Failure
Iraq = Failure
Afghanistan = Soon to be Failure
America could have done so much more with her status, but......
The U.S. was already a global power before 1939. And as for the U.S. super power status question, what has the United Kingdom done for the world? The Falklands, Northern Ireland IRA bombings, all of the great tabloid scandals?

Bay of Pigs was almost a purely Cuban Brigada operation. The failure was that someone told the Cubans the Brigada was coming.

Vietnam was a failure by letting the civilian politicians run the war. Generals Powell and Swartskoff destroyed the Iraqi Republican Guard, Iraqs airforce, and the Iraqi will to fight in Desert Storm in less than two months. Case in point-it was a military operation without political influence from the get go.(Even the Brits were there, yawn). Both of these Generals were junior officers serving in Vietnam.

If the Middle East is going to be a failure, go back to WWI and it's aftermath. Look at what the British encountered when they tried to act like a Super Power. The King David Hotel bombing killing and injuring scores of British soldiers. And Look at the way the Brits handled Jews trying to get back to Palistine.

The Brits did just wonderful at Kartom and during the Boxer rebellion in China.

I have just a whole lot of pride from my Irish/Scot stock dating back to the Dal Ridian kings. Please don't lecture me on my American heritage and it's history.
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ronan wrote:
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Well, that's an American import we could well do without.
I just cannot see how what we do in Britain could affect people in America.
Would a British protest would be welcome in America?
Abortion is a purely personal problem and shouldn't even been left to debate. After all, abortion is never imposed on those who don't want it.
Brits have been protesting in America since before it was America.
Who do you think we really are? I'm English, Scotish, Irish, German, French, Norwegian, Choctaw (Native American), and can even carry my ancestry clear back to Biblical times.

Hell, you Brits are a mixture of Saxon, Norman, Jute, Italian, Viking, German, Celt, God, and bulldogs. So to answer your question, yes a British protest would fly here in America, stiff upper lip and all. Canadians do it, why not?

And abortion is not a purely personal "problem" if others who are opposed to it are financing it against their will using the Obama 'health scare' plan-meaning, it scares me when my government tells me I have to buy a product I don't want so others can have it's benefits.
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A Baby is Life wrote:
1st Post Petey, come on down!
I don't think he can handle foriegners and what not.
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PATRIOT wrote:
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The U.S. was already a global power before 1939. And as for the U.S. super power status question, what has the United Kingdom done for the world? The Falklands, Northern Ireland IRA bombings, all of the great tabloid scandals?
Bay of Pigs was almost a purely Cuban Brigada operation. The failure was that someone told the Cubans the Brigada was coming.
Vietnam was a failure by letting the civilian politicians run the war. Generals Powell and Swartskoff destroyed the Iraqi Republican Guard, Iraqs airforce, and the Iraqi will to fight in Desert Storm in less than two months. Case in point-it was a military operation without political influence from the get go.(Even the Brits were there, yawn). Both of these Generals were junior officers serving in Vietnam.
If the Middle East is going to be a failure, go back to WWI and it's aftermath. Look at what the British encountered when they tried to act like a Super Power. The King David Hotel bombing killing and injuring scores of British soldiers. And Look at the way the Brits handled Jews trying to get back to Palistine.
The Brits did just wonderful at Kartom and during the Boxer rebellion in China.
I have just a whole lot of pride from my Irish/Scot stock dating back to the Dal Ridian kings. Please don't lecture me on my American heritage and it's history.
The US were isolationist before Pearl Harbour in 1941. In 1939, 40% of Americans were pro-German, and the movement AMERICA FIRST was against intervention in Europe.

The Bay of Pigs was a CIA operation. The anti-Castro Cuban troops were trained and equiped by the US, which also had promised air cover; that never came!

Vietnam was a complete failure. The US couldn't prevent the reunification of Vietnam under communist rule, and in fact accelerated the domino effect: Cambodia and Laos fell in the hands of communists too.

The first Gulf War was a succes; it liberated Kuwait which was the objective.

The second Gulf War cannot be called a succes or a failure yet. It has yet to be seen in the long run it it has brought stability in the region and a durable government in Irak. Killing Hussein was the easy bit.

The British Mandate in Palestine was a failure. We know that. We created a monster with Israel and permanent conflict in that region.
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And abortion is not a purely personal "problem" if others who are opposed to it are financing it against their will using the Obama 'health scare' plan-meaning, it scares me when my government tells me I have to buy a product I don't want so others can have it's benefits.
I am not really interested in the specifics of abortion in the States, who pays for it or not.

I consider abortion as a right for a woman, and that is the bottom line for me.

In UK, for example, our national health service finances some types of treatments such as cosmetic surgery or gender reassignment that are afforded by our taxes. I don't see why helping women afflicted with unwanted pregnancy is less deserving.
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And abortion is not a purely personal "problem" if others who are opposed to it are financing it against their will using the Obama 'health scare' plan-meaning, it scares me when my government tells me I have to buy a product I don't want so others can have it's benefits.
I find that through my taxes, I am increasingly funding governments programmes I don't like. Do you think I could seek some tax exemption?

I am not really keen to finance defense spendings, or overeas military ventures, or humanitarian help for undeserving causes but I have no choice!
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I should have had an abortion.

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ronan wrote:
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Well, that's an American import we could well do without.
I just cannot see how what we do in Britain could affect people in America.
Would a British protest would be welcome in America?
Abortion is a purely personal problem and shouldn't even been left to debate. After all, abortion is never imposed on those who don't want it.
Tell that to the baby!

Oh sorry you can't it was killed!

Imorality effects everyone. We have a moron in the White House right now that points to Europe as examples of how nice things are in your scialist world. So how is the British Government doing there? Feeling Flush are ya? What is your tax rate by the way?
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ronan wrote:
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The US were isolationist before Pearl Harbour in 1941. In 1939, 40% of Americans were pro-German, and the movement AMERICA FIRST was against intervention in Europe.
The Bay of Pigs was a CIA operation. The anti-Castro Cuban troops were trained and equiped by the US, which also had promised air cover; that never came!
Vietnam was a complete failure. The US couldn't prevent the reunification of Vietnam under communist rule, and in fact accelerated the domino effect: Cambodia and Laos fell in the hands of communists too.
The first Gulf War was a succes; it liberated Kuwait which was the objective.
The second Gulf War cannot be called a succes or a failure yet. It has yet to be seen in the long run it it has brought stability in the region and a durable government in Irak. Killing Hussein was the easy bit.
The British Mandate in Palestine was a failure. We know that. We created a monster with Israel and permanent conflict in that region.
I don't call lending/leasing (giving) the British planes and ships in 1940-41 being isolationsist.

The Bay of Pigs was not, I repeat, a CIA operation. The Cuban patriots in exile were trained and equiped by the U.S. military at locations in Panama and Georgia,(for all the good it did). And as I told you, the Castro government knew they were coming-the invasion was at one of the most remote beach landing areas on Cuba, but the Cubans were waiting in full strength. The invasion didn't need "air cover", the Cubans didn't have a viable air force.

Vietnam was only a failure in that we failed in our committment to SEATO. But the U.S. wasn't the only country represented in the war. I served with Aussies, South Koreans, Canadians, and hand fulls of NATO contingents. Again, a military operation is compromised when it falls under the control of politicians, or government functionaries like the CIA.

The British mandate in Palistine is not the only Brit fly in the ointment. Their conflict with Africans, Indians, Chinese, and South Americans have ended just about the way their dealings with American colonist ended.

But, if you look real close, for some fool reason we are still joined at the hip. Ain't that a hoot?

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Yes the USA did best out of the aftermath of WW2......Becoming a global superpower in the process.
I now ask the question, what has America done with her superpower status?
Bay of Pigs Invasion (Cuba)= Failure
Man on the moon (point of that?)= Success
Vietnam = Failure
Iraq = Failure
Afghanistan = Soon to be Failure
America could have done so much more with her status, but......
Remind me again of all the great things that the Irish have acomplished lately?

Oh I fogot they haven't done any.

friend of mine married an Irishman and changed her pasport to Iris cause when was the last time you heard of anyone wanting to kidnap a Irishman?

So lets look at the historical accom;plishments of the Irish, Get drunk, beat the old lady, fall dlown.
That pretty much sums it up.
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ronan wrote:
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I am not really interested in the specifics of abortion in the States, who pays for it or not.
I consider abortion as a right for a woman, and that is the bottom line for me.
In UK, for example, our national health service finances some types of treatments such as cosmetic surgery or gender reassignment that are afforded by our taxes. I don't see why helping women afflicted with unwanted pregnancy is less deserving.
You are entitled to your opinion-just as I am entitled to mine.
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I find that through my taxes, I am increasingly funding governments programmes I don't like. Do you think I could seek some tax exemption?
I am not really keen to finance defense spendings, or overeas military ventures, or humanitarian help for undeserving causes but I have no choice!
Bad news. Once the gov gets it's hands on your money you might as well kiss it goodbye. And if you were lucky to get a tax exemption, you would likely wind up on some form of social welfare that will no significant improvement in your standard of living.
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After all, abortion is never imposed on those who don't want it.
What an A hole.

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