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tomas
Greensboro, NC
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These bloody christians need to take their jobs seriously. They serve the public. Gays belong in the public. They cannot just arbitrarily decide they will not serve someone because of their religious biases. I served the public for 30 years. I did not like all the people I worked with, nor did I approve of them all (i.e., certain christians), but I was hired to serve the public without distinctions. If I had not, I would have been fired. Period!
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Since: Jul 09
Sonora, CA
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well I hope that it was worth her bigotry and hatred to put herself on un-employment.... all the GAY people I know who want to be parents at least have jobs...LOL Now SHE does NOT!!! who is the bettrer parent now bitch?
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Robert
Lexington, KY
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Now she is going to try to get her job back by crying religous discrimination , funny how she tried to play god ,and decide who was fit to be a parent by discrimnating against gay couples, yet when she is called on it she cries discrimination. Sort of ironic that she is trying to justify being a bigot by crying discrimination her self. So many kids need parents, yet people like her keep them in foster care or institutions because they let their bigotry trump what is right.
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paul
Isleworth, UK
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Dr Sheila Matthews was treated exactly the same as her other colleagues on the adoption panel by her employer and expected to work within the legal requirements to consider same sex couples applications for adoption, she was not discriminated against. Dr Matthews actually wanted to be afforded different and privileged positive discrimination by her employers so that she could continue to negatively discriminate against same sex couples … as she had done before equality legislation was introduced by simply refusing to consider the merits of their applications. Dr Matthews beef is not that she was discriminated against by her employer but that she wasn't granted special privileges by her employer. She was hoping to discriminate against those she personally disapproved of but failed to convince her employer to collude with her in this and she was rightly dropped.
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Heather
UK
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tomas wrote: These bloody christians need to take their jobs seriously. They serve the public. Gays belong in the public. They cannot just arbitrarily decide they will not serve someone because of their religious biases. I served the public for 30 years. I did not like all the people I worked with, nor did I approve of them all (i.e., certain christians), but I was hired to serve the public without distinctions. If I had not, I would have been fired. Period! I'm certain that people, regardless of their sexual orientation or religious beliefs hold a variety of opinions that according to the same criterea which judged this person, would be unfavourable. Christians serve God, not just the public - and as ridiculous as such may seem to you, it is for them their beliefs and their abilities as parents should not be judged by it. In the same way their abilities in various other jobs should not be judged by it, providing they treat colleagues with respect. If anything needs to be altered, it's the "bloody" system that compells people to compromise their faith over their ability to raise children. A system which also disregards the disturbing number of children needing to be adopted and the increasing number of them developing mental issues because they've failed to be given this. Yes, not endorsing homosexial adoption may seem as if it is posing a threat to the number of children being adopted, but it's not... Presently, the law states that homosexual adoption is legal and needs no more religious input than it did when homosexuality was made legal in the late 1950s. Therefore, nobody should be asked on whether they endorse this or even if they accept it as it makes no difference. Just whether they are able to raise children.
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Heather
UK
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I support homosexual adoption. It's not that I disagree with Dr. Matthews, but the general criterea that seems to believe a person's eligability as a parent should be depended on their religious beliefs. Is this not the similar way of thinking that once - and still does - judge gay couples. Beliefs. This should be iradicated as it seems to base the essense of adoption solely on the rights of the adopters and equality legislation - which is already in place. Suprise. Not the children. I will benefit from a homosexual couple raising me as much as I would Dr. Matthews raising me had they all the love and guidence. If they are claiming that they are looking out for the welfare of the children by dropping Dr. Matthews, then surely there would be tests issued for all parents (who have adopted or not) to see if their beliefs comply with legislation as such must have such an impact on the child's well being {Sarcasm} but there isn't and it's not about the children. Once again, homosexual adoption is legislation. Whatever you or I or Dr. Matthews believes is irrelevent and will not affect those able to adopt. The questions is not either whether it is tolerated... but whether it is endorsed by her. With the above in mind, nobody should feel threatened to lie about their beliefs.
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steve
Blairstown, NJ
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what happened to free speech that so many gays like to throw in your face. Keep the doctor in, I dont support gay adoption.
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Since: Jul 09
Sonora, CA
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steve wrote: what happened to free speech that so many gays like to throw in your face. Keep the doctor in, I dont support gay adoption. No-ONE cares what you support. I don't support straight phony marriages...most of which end in divorce which is against the laws of the fairy tale bible..but you don't see GAYS trying to outlaw YOUR divorces now do you?..NO... because it doesn't affect us...nor does gay marriage or adoption affect you..get over it, move on, and try to spend less time worried about the lives of people who have nothing to do with you, and enjoy your OWN life...seems like a better use of the short time you have here....
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steve
Blairstown, NJ
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deeter1013 wrote: <quoted text>
No-ONE cares what you support.
I don't support straight phony marriages...most of which end in divorce which is against the laws of the fairy tale bible..but you don't see GAYS trying to outlaw YOUR divorces now do you?..NO...
because it doesn't affect us...nor does gay marriage or adoption affect you..get over it, move on, and try to spend less time worried about the lives of people who have nothing to do with you, and enjoy your OWN life...seems like a better use of the short time you have here.... I dont care what gays do or anyone does with their lives either, the problem is they keep wanting more and more. It used to be civil unions were all they wanted. Fine they got that, Now they want Marriage too. Next they will tell our church we have too marry gay people or let them adopt our children or we cant be a church anymore. Whats next?
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“Putan end to religious thought”
Since: Jun 07
The Freak Kingdom
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steve wrote: <quoted text>
I dont care what gays do or anyone does with their lives either, the problem is they keep wanting more and more. It used to be civil unions were all they wanted. Fine they got that, Now they want Marriage too. Next they will tell our church we have too marry gay people or let them adopt our children or we cant be a church anymore. Whats next? You people are one contradiction after another. In one breath, you say you don't care what we do with our lives. Then in the next, you have a problem with us getting married or adopting children. So, you obviously Do care. The question is, Why? We will not stop until there is EQUALITY, true equality. Now, the problem christians are having with many of these adoption places is that they exist in the PUBLIC sector. Therefore, they must follow secular public laws. A Christian person can hold any beliefs he or she wants. But when doing the job, must follow the law. Religious views are not a free pass to discriminate within the public sector. It's at-will employment. If she doesn't like the rules and laws of the job, find a different job.
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steve
Blairstown, NJ
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Ziggy on High wrote: <quoted text>
You people are one contradiction after another. In one breath, you say you don't care what we do with our lives. Then in the next, you have a problem with us getting married or adopting children. So, you obviously Do care. The question is, Why?
We will not stop until there is EQUALITY, true equality.
Now, the problem christians are having with many of these adoption places is that they exist in the PUBLIC sector. Therefore, they must follow secular public laws. A Christian person can hold any beliefs he or she wants. But when doing the job, must follow the law. Religious views are not a free pass to discriminate within the public sector. It's at-will employment. If she doesn't like the rules and laws of the job, find a different job. our church owns the property they are on so we should be able to do as we see fit right?
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steve
Blairstown, NJ
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Ziggy on High wrote: <quoted text>
You people are one contradiction after another. In one breath, you say you don't care what we do with our lives. Then in the next, you have a problem with us getting married or adopting children. So, you obviously Do care. The question is, Why?
We will not stop until there is EQUALITY, true equality.
Now, the problem christians are having with many of these adoption places is that they exist in the PUBLIC sector. Therefore, they must follow secular public laws. A Christian person can hold any beliefs he or she wants. But when doing the job, must follow the law. Religious views are not a free pass to discriminate within the public sector. It's at-will employment. If she doesn't like the rules and laws of the job, find a different job. and they are private adoptions
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Since: Jul 09
Sonora, CA
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steve wrote: <quoted text>
I dont care what gays do or anyone does with their lives either, the problem is they keep wanting more and more. It used to be civil unions were all they wanted. Fine they got that, Now they want Marriage too. Next they will tell our church we have too marry gay people or let them adopt our children or we cant be a church anymore. Whats next? easy answer. we will STOP asking asking asking..the same day we are considered 100% equal...no better..no worse..JUST equal. If that is too hard to accept then too damn bad... I am a human just like you..I do not ask for "special rights"..I only ask for IDENTICAL rights. is that hard to understand? really? the same people who claim we want "special rights"..are the same people who said those things about blacks and women.... when we are treated exactly the same as you..we will go away.,..it will no longer be an issue, then you can go on pretending that gays don't exist. The only reason you are hearing so much about gay issues is because people like YOU are trying to hold us down. you brought it on yourselves. When we are treated equally, then we will go on living our lives in private just like we always have. and as for demanding the churches marry us....NO-ONE in the gay community wants ANY church who is against gay marriage to marry us...there are thousands of churches who already are willing to , and we will go to and support only THOSE churches. I would not want to get married in a church that didn't want me anyways. besides...narriages DON'T need to be performed in a church...many many many marriages are performed outside of the church clubs. gay marriage will NOT affect YOUR church. Gay marriage will NOT affect YOUR life... why you spend so much time worried about it is beyond me , and points more to the lack of security in your OWN marriage then anything else. if my getting married affects your marriage in any way, then perhaps YOUR marriage is not working already! don't blame the gays for that. when gays win equality, all you people will have left is the handicapped people to go after... then when you lose to them...the churches will serve no purpose at all...for the only thing that keeps churches vital is HATE. with no-one left to hate or judge..there is no other reason for them to exist. I have yet top see a so-called traditional straight based church that does not preach some sort of hate or judgement on a daily basis. Church was meant to spread love, acceptance, tolerance, and brotherhood...yet all it does is judge, hate, and not accept. something to think about.
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Since: Jul 09
Sonora, CA
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steve wrote: <quoted text>
our church owns the property they are on so we should be able to do as we see fit right? not when dealing with the general public sector. preach all the hate you want in your services..but if you offer a service to the general public, you must perform the services to everyone...otherwise it is no different than saying no blacks allowed.!
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“Putan end to religious thought”
Since: Jun 07
The Freak Kingdom
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steve wrote: <quoted text>
and they are private adoptions From article "She was told that her stance went against complying with the law and would not help the council attract the widest range of suitable adopters." As this states, she was not complying with the LAW. Religion does NOT put anyone above the law.
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nina
Ottawa, Canada
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steve wrote: what happened to free speech that so many gays like to throw in your face. Keep the doctor in, I dont support gay adoption. free speech is not limited to first speech nor does exercising your free speech mean that there are no consequences the inability to perform your job according to the law, your professional association's code of conduct and/or your employer's requirements results in legal termination she's not been prevented from having her opinion she's just not allowed to use her opinion to break the law or disobey her employer
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steve
Blairstown, NJ
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deeter1013 wrote: <quoted text>easy answer. we will STOP asking asking asking..the same day we are considered 100% equal...no better..no worse..JUST equal.
If that is too hard to accept then too **** bad...
I am a human just like you..I do not ask for "special rights"..I only ask for IDENTICAL rights.
is that hard to understand? really?
the same people who claim we want "special rights"..are the same people who said those things about blacks and women....
when we are treated exactly the same as you..we will go away.,..it will no longer be an issue, then you can go on pretending that gays don't exist. The only reason you are hearing so much about gay issues is because people like YOU are trying to hold us down.
you brought it on yourselves. When we are treated equally, then we will go on living our lives in private just like we always have.
and as for demanding the churches marry us....NO-ONE in the gay community wants ANY church who is against gay marriage to marry us...there are thousands of churches who already are willing to , and we will go to and support only THOSE churches.
I would not want to get married in a church that didn't want me anyways.
besides...narriages DON'T need to be performed in a church...many many many marriages are performed outside of the church clubs.
gay marriage will NOT affect YOUR church. Gay marriage will NOT affect YOUR life...
why you spend so much time worried about it is beyond me , and points more to the lack of security in your OWN marriage then anything else.
if my getting married affects your marriage in any way, then perhaps YOUR marriage is not working already!
don't blame the gays for that.
when gays win equality, all you people will have left is the handicapped people to go after...
then when you lose to them...the churches will serve no purpose at all...for the only thing that keeps churches vital is HATE.
with no-one left to hate or judge..there is no other reason for them to exist.
I have yet top see a so-called traditional straight based church that does not preach some sort of hate or judgement on a daily basis.
Church was meant to spread love, acceptance, tolerance, and brotherhood...yet all it does is judge, hate, and not accept.
something to think about. I actually dont spend one second worrying about what gays do with their lives. Like I said do what you want. We dont preach hate at all at church we preach love and tolerance. Remember God hates the sin not the sinner. I have a friend and a cousin who is gay and I dont hate them at all. Do I support all their agendas No! but I dont hate them
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“Married as I can be!”
Since: Jun 07
Las Vegas
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steve wrote: <quoted text>
I actually dont spend one second worrying about what gays do with their lives. Like I said do what you want. We dont preach hate at all at church we preach love and tolerance. Remember God hates the sin not the sinner. I have a friend and a cousin who is gay and I dont hate them at all. Do I support all their agendas No! but I dont hate them There's that word again! Which "agendas" do you not support? Please describe these "agendas" in detail! As far as I know, right now the only "gay agenda" is to fight for marriage equality and to have GLBT included in anti-discriminatory laws. Just like the Black people in this country had an "agenda", and the women, and the older generation.
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flyboy
Richmond, VA
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steve wrote: what happened to free speech that so many gays like to throw in your face. Keep the doctor in, I dont support gay adoption. Doesn't matter what you don't support really. There is no logical, rational or reasonable reason to deny gay/lesbian couples adoption. If you want to discriminate against gay couples, you lose your job. Simple as that. Do the job, play by the rules, or suffer the consequences. P.S. Throw in your face is what ALL INSECURE people say.
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