Whoopi Makes Elisabeth Hasselbeck Cry On The View

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is so naive it is unbelievable. Idealism is a valuable trait, but she only speaks from her own view of the world, not from experience. It's as though she thinks her rise to celebrity as a result of being on Survivor makes her an authority on all things. I am a 54 year old black american and I recently left a job as the only black manager because of racist overtones in the workplace. In my youth I traveled to the south with my parents (I was raised in Chicago) and was forced to use a restroom and drink from a fountain with signs that read "COLORED". I pain from both of the experiences will never go away although I continue to strive to be a successful American contributing to the community fully. I served eight years in the US Military, but still know that in order to be recognized I feel that I have to prove my abilities beyond expectations for other races. I don't want to feel that way, but the past (legal) injustices are not that far in the past. Ask any holocaust survivor how they feel today.

luvabull81 wrote:

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is so naive it is unbelievable. Idealism is a valuable trait, but she only speaks from her own view of the world, not from experience. It's as though she thinks her rise to celebrity as a result of being on Survivor makes her an authority on all things. I am a 54 year old black american and I recently left a job as the only black manager because of racist overtones in the workplace. In my youth I traveled to the south with my parents (I was raised in Chicago) and was forced to use a restroom and drink from a fountain with signs that read "COLORED". I pain from both of the experiences will never go away although I continue to strive to be a successful American contributing to the community fully. I served eight years in the US Military, but still know that in order to be recognized I feel that I have to prove my abilities beyond expectations for other races. I don't want to feel that way, but the past (legal) injustices are not that far in the past. Ask any holocaust survivor how they feel today.

I totally agree with you in regards to Elisabeth. Naive is such a correct term for her. I knew this was going to happen. I can't wait to see the posts made on this subject.

luvabull81 wrote:

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is so naive it is unbelievable. Idealism is a valuable trait, but she only speaks from her own view of the world, not from experience. It's as though she thinks her rise to celebrity as a result of being on Survivor makes her an authority on all things. I am a 54 year old black american and I recently left a job as the only black manager because of racist overtones in the workplace. In my youth I traveled to the south with my parents (I was raised in Chicago) and was forced to use a restroom and drink from a fountain with signs that read "COLORED". I pain from both of the experiences will never go away although I continue to strive to be a successful American contributing to the community fully. I served eight years in the US Military, but still know that in order to be recognized I feel that I have to prove my abilities beyond expectations for other races. I don't want to feel that way, but the past (legal) injustices are not that far in the past. Ask any holocaust survivor how they feel today.

Luvabull, thank you for your service of protecting us. Even tho I am "white", I have had some criticism thrown at me for being "white", and I don't mean its anywhere near compared to your experiences. But wherevere you go in life, try to hold your head up high and smile because some people don't even deserve to breathe the same air as you.
As for EH, her real reality is in her own fantasy world.

luvabull81 wrote:

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is so naive it is unbelievable. Idealism is a valuable trait, but she only speaks from her own view of the world, not from experience. It's as though she thinks her rise to celebrity as a result of being on Survivor makes her an authority on all things. I am a 54 year old black american and I recently left a job as the only black manager because of racist overtones in the workplace. In my youth I traveled to the south with my parents (I was raised in Chicago) and was forced to use a restroom and drink from a fountain with signs that read "COLORED". I pain from both of the experiences will never go away although I continue to strive to be a successful American contributing to the community fully. I served eight years in the US Military, but still know that in order to be recognized I feel that I have to prove my abilities beyond expectations for other races. I don't want to feel that way, but the past (legal) injustices are not that far in the past. Ask any holocaust survivor how they feel today.

As a white male of 61, I hear all the time of my "priviledge" Let me tell you, I was drafted in the fall of 1966 and forced to accept $92 a month in compensation ... slave wages.
When I got out, and looked for work ... I was told they were looking for black women to meet minority quotas ... so sorry ... we can't hire you.... So don't not sing your song of woe to loudly.
The only recent "slaves" forced into service were males prior to the all volunteer army.

I’m curious, how does one justify two sets of rules for the use of this word? My opinion; Woopi enjoys using the specter of racism as a license to be condescending. If you debate with another person under the premise that they cannot possibly understand your perspective because of their skin color, and that is offensive. Woopi is saying that skin color defines your experience in life and your ability to understand certain things, like the specific use of this word, and that is inherently racist. She is a contemptible fool at best, at worst, she's worse.

Anything that divides Americans racially is not good. The "N" word is a painful word used in a bad way about other Americans. I hope they kick the two blacks on the view off the air. Our children don't need to hear other black children use this word as being okay for blacks but not okay for whites. Hate comes in many fashions and the "N" word was born in hate and refers to a time when blacks were not considered equal to whites. Stop it....just stop it

RICK wrote:

Anything that divides Americans racially is not good. The "N" word is a painful word used in a bad way about other Americans. I hope they kick the two blacks on the view off the air. Our children don't need to hear other black children use this word as being okay for blacks but not okay for whites. Hate comes in many fashions and the "N" word was born in hate and refers to a time when blacks were not considered equal to whites. Stop it....just stop it

I agree with you.

I'm a right of center GOP'er and Whoppi used the " N " word more yesterday than has been said in my home in a lifetime ( I'm a grandad).

PC specialization the hallmark of brainwashing.

We must immediately repudiate anyone telling " Blond " jokes that isn't blond.

dear 'disagree'
Imagine how it feels to be intellectually disenfranchised from a debate because you ‘can’t possibly understand’ due to your whiteness. How is this not racist? Woopi is upset because she feels superior, not inferior. Contemptible…

dave wrote:

I’m curious, how does one justify two sets of rules for the use of this word? My opinion; Woopi enjoys using the specter of racism as a license to be condescending. If you debate with another person under the premise that they cannot possibly understand your perspective because of their skin color, and that is offensive. Woopi is saying that skin color defines your experience in life and your ability to understand certain things, like the specific use of this word, and that is inherently racist. She is a contemptible fool at best, at worst, she's worse.

That is not what Whoopi said. She stated that we need to talk about it instead sweeping it under the rug. As a black person I'm not fond of the word however when said by blacks it does hold a different meaning. Sad but true.

One of my co-workers and I had a discussion about the N-word and he ask me why can two black men use the word and he couldn't. My response to him was use it in a sentence.(of course he didn't) Later on that day he came to me and said I understand your point. The point is that the majority of times when a person of a different race uses it, it becomes a word to hurt and demean and filled with hatred.

Here is another question. The B-word is another one of these words. Why is it okay for women to use it in a positive way but men can't?(Sex in the City)

The difference between Elisabeth and Whoopi is life experiences. It is easy to say it's not right but until you have been called this word you will never understand this word. It's wrong but is a fact of life. The first time I was called this word was when I was eight years old. We moved into a neighborhood that was majority white and we were the first blacks. My sister and I were in the front and two adult men call us that word. I'm 38 so this was in the 70's. Blacks have taken something negative and made it their own. That has been the way of life for blacks for centuries.(our food, clothes, religion,etc)

If you watch the show you can see the point that Whoopi was trying to make and when you are having a discussion or debate you have to listen and Elisabeth doesn't listen. jmo

If an African American "cannot possibly understand my perspective", why would I vote for one?

Glasnos wrote:

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As a white male of 61, I hear all the time of my "priviledge" Let me tell you, I was drafted in the fall of 1966 and forced to accept $92 a month in compensation ... slave wages.
When I got out, and looked for work ... I was told they were looking for black women to meet minority quotas ... so sorry ... we can't hire you.... So don't not sing your song of woe to loudly.
The only recent "slaves" forced into service were males prior to the all volunteer army.

Glasnos, did you ever think they might be lying to you when they said they were looking for black women to fill quotas? The early '70s were hard times all over. Nixon put the dollar to float, inflation soared, and no one could find work. Sounds like just a handy excuse to me.

My spouse volunteered in 1966 and could not find a job when he got out. That was in Nashville TN. Same in CA where I was. I think a lot of racists lied about quotas back then just to foster hate. I'm sorry you fell for it. Welcome Home!

Unfortunately, that "one word from the past" will always be around. Passed on from one generation to the next. I hear it mostly from blacks and not just rappers, but blacks talking to each other in casual conversation out in public and at my job.
Just yesterday I was in a parking lot at the supermarket and I overheard a hispanic man talking to a black man and the hispanic man threw that "socially unexceptable word" out to the black man as a friendly departure. "Hey, Yo, call a n=i=g=a up-I got the same number".
You, tell me?!
It will stay as long as people say it out loud.
But, I really wish the media would not allow it to be played or shown out in public. Noise pollution. But, it's "hip" now with the younger crowd and we all know the next generation will change things to their liking..so, accept it and move on.
Look at the black "leader" Jessie Jackson..some example, huh?

Tis the Season wrote:

If an African American "cannot possibly understand my perspective", why would I vote for one?

Interesting point!

Now whites can feel the same as people of color..when they have to vote for a white person..how can that white man understand their perspective?

Good thought.

Summer Rain wrote:

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Glasnos, did you ever think they might be lying to you when they said they were looking for black women to fill quotas? The early '70s were hard times all over. Nixon put the dollar to float, inflation soared, and no one could find work. Sounds like just a handy excuse to me.
My spouse volunteered in 1966 and could not find a job when he got out. That was in Nashville TN. Same in CA where I was. I think a lot of racists lied about quotas back then just to foster hate. I'm sorry you fell for it. Welcome Home!

Oh PLEASE! I saw the discrimination lawsuits if companies didn't have enough percentage of minorities. You can lie to yourself, but please, keep your dilusions to yourself, and don't spread your lies.

There was 60 minute segment in the 70s where a Chicago suburb company making lampshades was sued for not having enough black employees.... even though out their 30 some employees NONE were white. Because the city where they were had 31% black population, they were expected to have 31% black employees ... with no other evidence of discrimination, a judge found them in violation.
Quotas? YOU BET they exist!

Whites will never understand entirely what the black ppl have felt or continue to feel. The white man seems inclined to continue the use although with out saying the word, guess at least they are understanding enough to not want to be killed over a 6 letter word. seems at some point they would shut up , say nothing at all because no matter what they say until they admit the word is wrong more so from a white than from anyone else, it's just how ppl feel after generations of abuse and torture. i know this i have used it in ignorance , this is the reason for many arguments against the word at all, however i grew up where there were only 2 races , and actually only one because hispanics are caucasion. many are ignorant to the plight or the ordeal, they need to discuss it further, that is what whoopi was trying to do and the little white bimbo couldn't comprehend it and broke down in frustration, she plays the tear card often for such a tuff lil thing huh?

Glasnos wrote:

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Oh PLEASE! I saw the discrimination lawsuits if companies didn't have enough percentage of minorities. You can lie to yourself, but please, keep your dilusions to yourself, and don't spread your lies.
There was 60 minute segment in the 70s where a Chicago suburb company making lampshades was sued for not having enough black employees.... even though out their 30 some employees NONE were white. Because the city where they were had 31% black population, they were expected to have 31% black employees ... with no other evidence of discrimination, a judge found them in violation.
Quotas? YOU BET they exist!

As a manager in a S&P 500 corporation I can vouch for that.

I fought those battles over and over for decades.

One classic was I was over in " protected minorities" but under in Hispanics so I had to hire one. But being 300% of diversity quota with Pacific Islanders meant ZILCH.

luvabull81 wrote:

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is so naive it is unbelievable. Idealism is a valuable trait, but she only speaks from her own view of the world, not from experience. It's as though she thinks her rise to celebrity as a result of being on Survivor makes her an authority on all things. I am a 54 year old black american and I recently left a job as the only black manager because of racist overtones in the workplace. In my youth I traveled to the south with my parents (I was raised in Chicago) and was forced to use a restroom and drink from a fountain with signs that read "COLORED". I pain from both of the experiences will never go away although I continue to strive to be a successful American contributing to the community fully. I served eight years in the US Military, but still know that in order to be recognized I feel that I have to prove my abilities beyond expectations for other races. I don't want to feel that way, but the past (legal) injustices are not that far in the past. Ask any holocaust survivor how they feel today.

Hasselback turns on the waterworks whenever an argument doesn't go her way. I think she has a point though.
When my eldest was about 4, I left the front door of my apartment open to air and commenced with dusting. All of a sudden, I heard my little angel say "N-----". I gasped and turned to face him and saw him grinning at the door. I turned to the door and there was this black guy holding a little girl with one hand and a grocery bag in the other. He was standing in shock too. Then he tossed his head and walked away. I grabbed my son and ran after him, apologized, made my son apologize, and then asked him where he learned the word. He said "From the kids". And pointed at the little girl, saying "That's what they call her. I wasn't calling him a ..and he stopped because I had just told him to never say the word. It was obvious that he had no idea what it meant. In one way, it was fortunate, because both my neighbor and I found out that our kids needed to be parented on that point. I had intended to address that issue before my son started Kindergarten and never thought he would come in contact with the word before then. I was glad to have the chance to stop it before it influenced his thinking, but I wish it could have happened under better circumstances. My neighbor and I fortunately parted on a friendly basis. To this day, I am grateful to him for hearing me out.
My younger son supervised a bindery crew of 12 at the age of 22. They were a mixed race crew with some who could not speak English. The floor supervisor made a practice of abusing his crew in racial terms. After asking the man several times to stop, my son just lost it and decked him. The manager fired the man and my son just quit. My sons went to integrated schools and lived in a mixed race neighborhood. Both know racists are fools. I know the pain won't go away, but maybe our children can do better. Hope.

The N-word belongs to whites. Always has, always will. It gives us power over blacks. And I use it ever day as a teacher and parent. Blacks would be surprised how many whites use the N-word on a regular basis in the privacy of their homes, when they are cut-off in traffic, or when they watch the evening news. Most whites endure blacks, but not far below the surface we hate you all and wish you would all die. Whoppi and Sherri can call blacks the N-word all they want...and so can I.

Oh, I'm white, as are my sons. But should it matter?

Glasnos wrote:

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Oh PLEASE! I saw the discrimination lawsuits if companies didn't have enough percentage of minorities. You can lie to yourself, but please, keep your dilusions to yourself, and don't spread your lies.
There was 60 minute segment in the 70s where a Chicago suburb company making lampshades was sued for not having enough black employees.... even though out their 30 some employees NONE were white. Because the city where they were had 31% black population, they were expected to have 31% black employees ... with no other evidence of discrimination, a judge found them in violation.
Quotas? YOU BET they exist!

It is true. Back in the late 80's, I worked for a doctor. When he wanted to hire a new technician. On the application it was not allowed to ask for race or age, but the doctor came up with his own way around it.

When an applicant came in (they were asked to all come in person to apply) the receptionist was to write in the top upper right corner of the application, a number.

The number scale was as follows:
1 = white male
2 = white female
3 = spanish male
4 = spanish female
5 = asian male
6 = asian female
7 = black male
8 = black female

I guess, no Native Americans were considered.

And to get around the age thing, the receptionist would write in the left top corner of the application:

(estimating)

25%
35%
65%

Of course, the %= estimated age of the person.

Slick, but that is how he determined whether he would grant the first face-to-face interview with them. I would watch him quickly go through the applications and toss the ones straight into the trash bin that weren't a 1 or 2 and a % lower than 30.

My current employer does almost the same thing. He waits for them to come in and tosses out the application without reading it if they aren't to his physical liking.