Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Highly regarded? By who? Here you show how little your brain does function. It's highly hated for being the filthy self serving pig it is. And you certainly belong in it. You can put the prophets penis back in your mouth now.

Wow, you sure are fixated on male genitalia.

Are your children safe?

Dana Robertson wrote:

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It's the truth as long as you don't mind all the lying.

Since there isn't any, I have nothing to worry about.

Check out the Articles of Faith, of which I'm sure you are well aware:

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Wow, you sure are fixated on male genitalia.
Are your children safe?

They are as long as you're not around them.

Happy Fathers Day
Dana
Cary
Crazy

As much as we all disagree on here, I truly hope you all have a wonderful day :)

not ashamed wrote:

Happy Fathers Day
Dana
Cary
Crazy
As much as we all disagree on here, I truly hope you all have a wonderful day :)

Thank you!

Dana Robertson wrote:

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They are as long as you're not around them.

I'm not the one who's fixated on male genitalia, buddy.

That'd be you.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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I'm not the one who's fixated on male genitalia, buddy.
That'd be you.

No, you're the one fixated on clean toilets.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Your mind going, son. That is what you said on the subject.

I could call you a liar which you are because you keep stating a lie. I never said it happened "all the time" which you with a lie continue to state and for what purpose?
What I actually said was.."Marriages to girls of 15 to 17 to older men in the 30s and 40s was common."
It wasn't the average age that females married at for that era. But 15 to 17 year old girls marrying guys in their late twenties to late thirties was common. Just like in our era though they are a rare minority compared to the percentage of heterosexual marriages, it is common for same sex couples to marry.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Since there isn't any, I have nothing to worry about.

The LDS church can't teach anything without lying, moron. I'll use the Articles of Faith you posted to show you. Now what have the leaders of the LDS church taught about lying in the past?:

"A half-truth presented as the whole truth is a complete untruth." - J.I. Packer

"Even sharing the truth can have the effect of lying when we tell only half-truths that do not give the full picture. We can also be guilty of bearing false witness and lying if we say nothing, particularly if we allow another to reach a wrong conclusion while we hold back information that would have led to a more accurate perception. In this case it is as though an actual lie were uttered." - Robert J. Matthews(Robert J. Matthews, Ensign, October 1994, p. 54)

"In matters of honesty, there are no shortcuts; no little white lies, or big black lies, only the simple, honest truth spoken in total candor... Being true is different than being honest.”- Gordon B. Hinckley(Gordon B. Hinckley in “13th Article, simple yet powerful,” Church News, September 22, 2007, p.3)

I could give many more examples, but these 3 statements are sufficient.

Check out the Articles of Faith, of which I'm sure you are well aware:
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

What it doesn't tell you is that they believe God was once a man, that he had sex with his daughter, Mary, to create Jesus. That Jesus was married to multiple wives and had children. That Jesus is the brother of Satan.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

What they don't tell you is that they believe black men and women were punished for Cains sin.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

The first honest statement. This is an admission that they deny the grace of Jesus Christ. That there salvation is a works based salvation, not one through his grace.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What they don't admit is they also ones salvation is depended on their man made temple ordinances.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

What they don't you is that they claim to be the only ones who have that authority and that all other churches are an abomination and that there leaders are corrupt.

To be continued...

Dana Robertson wrote:

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No, you're the one fixated on clean toilets.

Nah, that would be you too.

Nothing needs to be added, nor taken away:

Articles of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Smith had little concern about "legality". It was excuses to get women in bed. The fact he cared nothing about the law was talked about by Jedediah M. Grant in church conference, years later:
"When the family organization was revealed from heaven—the patriarchal order of God, and Joseph began, on the right and on the left, to add to his family, what a quaking there was in Israel. Says one brother to another, "Joseph says all covenants are done away, and none are binding but the new covenants; now suppose Joseph should come and say he wanted your wife, what would you say to that?" "I would tell him to go to hell." This was the spirit of many in the early days of this Church....
What would a man of God say, who felt aright, when Joseph asked him for his money? He would say, "Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God." Or if he came and said, "I want your wife?" "O Yes," he would say, "here she is, there are plenty more." ... Did the Prophet Joseph want every man's wife he asked for? He did not ... If such a man of God should come to me and say, "I want your gold and silver, or your wives," I should say, "Here they are, I wish I had more to give you, take all I have got" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, pp. 13-14)."
Man whores care little about the law in pursuit of their sexual gratifications. Your trying to clean up a pig, a scum of the earth, who cared about nothing and nobody but satisfying himself. He use any lie he thinks that will work to get what he wants. The people were just stupid enough to fall for it. Even today, you are an example of that. Judge Judy all the time says: "If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true." A man marrying a woman not to have sex with them doesn't sense. You don't even see other Mormons here trying push that foolishness.

lolol...got your clown attitude on again I see for my benefit :)

I don't care if a person is pro-Mormon or like you, a filthy derogatory speaking anti-mo, who both believe Smith was sexing up his wives.
THERE IS NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT SMITH HAVING SEX WITH ANYONE BUT EMMA. No evidence exists EXCEPT for hearsay evidence WHICH ISN'T EVIDENCE.
Thirty plus wives and Smith fathers children by just one? Scientific DNA factual proof shows that Smith had children with JUST ONE WIFE.
Then you have the fact that Smith in not a single written recording of his own, EVER CLAIMED/BOASTED/BRAGGED ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH ANY OF THESE THIRTY PLUS WIVES.
You and the anti-mos and the pro-mos can claim all fricking day long, that Smith was sexing up all or part of these 30 plus wives to your graves. BUT YOU HAVE NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back your belief.
What someone says or claims without proof ISN'T EVIDENCE OF AN EXISTING FACT THAT PROVES WHAT THEY CLAIM OR SAY IS TRUE, especially when it's all HEARSAY based. You can't prove them wrong or right. That makes their claim immaterial/non-reliable as EVIDENCE.
Are you getting this yet?

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

Except there is no one in the LDS church with the title of "Pastors", or "Evangelists".

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

Except they can't show any member practicing "the gift of tongues", or the "interpretation of tongues". 33yrs as a member, never saw it once. So they don't believe in it too much.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

Translation: "They believe the Bible to be the word of God as long as they think it supports their teachings. Otherwise they claim it has been corrupted by man, even though they have no evidence of it. What they also don't tell you is they don't even trust the translation of their own Prophet of the Bible because if they did, it would be the "official" edition. But it is not. They believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God, except where it contradictions their current teachings. And it is does contradict many of their teachings. What they aren't telling you is that most of what is called Mormon teachings today mainly come from the D&C.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

True, they have bought Joseph Smith's BS hook, link, and sinker.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

What they aren't telling you is that their "Zion" is suppose to be built in Jackson County, Missouri.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

Except if you are gay, then you can just go to hell.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

But only when the federal law forces us too. They could care less about "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" when it came to polygamy. It was only after the federal troops took away every thing the LDS church owned and the brave leaders fled to Hawaii to escape the law, leaving the poorer member to rot in prison that they "miraculously" had a revelation to stop it.

We believe in being honest,

Except when it comes to the real benefits of their church, then lie as much as possible to make it look presentable.

true,

Except with the noted exception above.

chaste,

Except for their first 9 prophets who all cheated on their wives in the name of polygamy, screwing teens girls in the name of the Lord.

benevolent,

Unless you disagree with their foul teachings. Then you can expect to be accused of any godless thing or even attacked violently.

virtuous,

With the exception of the leaders of course.

and in doing good to all men;

Until you expose them.

indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Except for our perverted teachings, racism, and homophobia, even if it kills our own children. In fact we teach that we would rather "they come home in a casket" then change the teachings that are killing them.

No Surprise wrote:

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I could call you a liar which you are because you keep stating a lie. I never said it happened "all the time" which you with a lie continue to state and for what purpose?
What I actually said was.."Marriages to girls of 15 to 17 to older men in the 30s and 40s was common."
It wasn't the average age that females married at for that era. But 15 to 17 year old girls marrying guys in their late twenties to late thirties was common. Just like in our era though they are a rare minority compared to the percentage of heterosexual marriages, it is common for same sex couples to marry.

com·mon (kmn)
1. Widespread; prevalent.
2.
a. Occurring frequently or habitually; usual.
3. Occurring, found, or done often; prevalent.

In other words, "done all the time." You do like to debate worthless sh!t. Pitiful and pathetic, do grow up.

No Surprise wrote:

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lolol...got your clown attitude on again I see for my benefit :)
I don't care if a person is pro-Mormon or like you, a filthy derogatory speaking anti-mo, who both believe Smith was sexing up his wives.
THERE IS NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT SMITH HAVING SEX WITH ANYONE BUT EMMA. No evidence exists EXCEPT for hearsay evidence WHICH ISN'T EVIDENCE.

Yes there is , the fact he married them. A marriage even isn't considered a marriage unless it is consummated, duh!

Thirty plus wives and Smith fathers children by just one? Scientific DNA factual proof shows that Smith had children with JUST ONE WIFE.
Then you have the fact that Smith in not a single written recording of his own, EVER CLAIMED/BOASTED/BRAGGED ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH ANY OF THESE THIRTY PLUS WIVES.

That's because he didn't want to be exposed, duh!

You and the anti-mos and the pro-mos can claim all fricking day long, that Smith was sexing up all or part of these 30 plus wives to your graves. BUT YOU HAVE NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back your belief.

Yes, we do, he married them! DUH!

What someone says or claims without proof ISN'T EVIDENCE OF AN EXISTING FACT THAT PROVES WHAT THEY CLAIM OR SAY IS TRUE, especially when it's all HEARSAY based. You can't prove them wrong or right. That makes their claim immaterial/non-reliable as EVIDENCE.
Are you getting this yet?

By your standard then, the first vision didn't happen, because you can't prove it. Moroni didn't show him where the plates are, because you can't prove it. Every revelation in the D&C is a lie, because you can't prove what he said. You want to claim no proof even though there is hundreds of quotes by faithful members, church leaders, court testimony, all because Smith, who wanted to hide and deceive everyone, including his wife, didn't make a public admission? What a child you are. You just don't want to be confused with the facts. People don't get married to not have sex. Duh!

Mommy2Bof3 wrote:

Please visit www.lds.org for an accurate description of the LDS, or Mormon, beliefs. What I have posted above are the 13 Articles of Faith. They are an outline of what the LDS church believes. As you can see, we DO believe in Jesus Christ and in the Bible. ;)

Agreed!

not ashamed wrote:

Happy Fathers Day
Dana
Cary
Crazy

As much as we all disagree on here, I truly hope you all have a wonderful day :)

Thank you!:-)

not ashamed wrote:

Happy Fathers Day
Dana
Cary
Crazy
As much as we all disagree on here, I truly hope you all have a wonderful day :)

I thank you also because most Mormons think I'm such a mother, I get Mother Day cards. ;^)

I hope you Father is alive and well this day.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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And yet already nearly 50% of Americans are sold on voting for Mitt Romney..so what does that make President Obama, other than a failure?
Romney's done nothing for the public? Ever hear of the Olympic Games, you jackass?
Your hide must be thoroughly chapped by now.

Mutt Romputz is a scumbag and a liar who takes credit he does not deserve, lies about Obama and covers up his own incompetence by shrieking like a crazy lunatic on the campaign trail about anything but the truth.

Like the scumbag he is, Mutt Romputz takes credit for 'saving' the Olympics which is utter bs. I am sure everyone involved in the Olympics wants to spit in his face for such a ridiculous claim.

After 9/11 the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT which Mutt Romputz (and creeps like you) hate, added its support.

You are a liar. Mutt Romputz is a liar.

Mutt Romputz is also incompetent at governance which is what he is running for...to govern, not to rape and pillage corporations by loading them with debt and then walking away.

Note that Mutt Romputz also loaded Massachusetts with debt and then walked away. 34% approval rating in Mass.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Wow, you sure are fixated on male genitalia.
Are your children safe?

Are yours?