Bounty Hunting ... the facts

Bounty Hunting is ILLEGAL in Kentucky, Illinois, Wisconsin and Oregon. In Florida, South Carolina and North Carolina you must be a licensed bail agent. Every state has its owns rules and regulations regarding bounty hunters and proper licensing and procedures.

Bounty hunting outside of the United States is strictly illegal and fugitives must be recovered through extradition. There have been NUMEROUS cases in both Mexico and Canada and bail professionals are well aware of these laws.

Dog and Company could have easily gotten Luster in jail without breaking laws...but that doesn't make for good TV or put the $$$$ in the bank.

Dog and his homies are now the fugitives as they have failed to appear in court in Mexico.

Debbie wrote:

Bounty Hunting is ILLEGAL in Kentucky, Illinois, Wisconsin and Oregon. In Florida, South Carolina and North Carolina you must be a licensed bail agent. Every state has its owns rules and regulations regarding bounty hunters and proper licensing and procedures.
Bounty hunting outside of the United States is strictly illegal and fugitives must be recovered through extradition. There have been NUMEROUS cases in both Mexico and Canada and bail professionals are well aware of these laws.
Dog and Company could have easily gotten Luster in jail without breaking laws...but that doesn't make for good TV or put the $$$$ in the bank.
Dog and his homies are now the fugitives as they have failed to appear in court in Mexico.

Wisconsin is a GREAT example. We just lost a child rapist to Mexico after he jumped bond. There is no effort being made to get him back because he is a Mexican citizen and was illegally in the states> I hope you people get the world you push for, I just hope neither my kids nor I are here to see it. Thisthinking has already given the scumbags the edge, and our country is a reflection of the world that leads to. Child violators, rapists and murderers will soon be free to do their business with no one to stop them> Sleep well, you won't be able to much longer in your world.

well as far as i'm concerned, yes they failed to appear. But seeing as how Luster's well to do family paid cash for his bail (and thereby allowed him to go and do whatever he pleased without answering for his crimes) It would have been better for the underpaid and overworked law enforcement officials here should have. But that's right they were too busy trying to catch the guy who just committed the newest crime. And I don't know of any law enforcement agency which has the resources to hunt down a fugitive in Mexico without being asked. Yes Dog and the Chapmans did receive something for the capture. The show and fame that came with it. And frankly I don't care. There is one less monster preying on women and one more rich kid held accountable for his actions. I really hope that if you are ever faced with filing the proper paperwork to get a fugitive like luster off the streets that the wheels of justice move fast enough that no one else gets hurt while you're waiting for that judge to get around to contacting the proper Mexican officials to issue the warrant.

Fleeing Mexican nationals and US citizens are two entirely different things. Luster did not have any rights as a Mexican citizen and Mexico had ZERO problem with returning him to the US. They would have had no problem with arresting him had they known his identity...but Dog didn't want that. He had a TV crew in tow and A & E in the wings chomping at the bit to launch a TV show.

Mexico is a little pissed at our government right now since they have more than once kidnapped someone they wanted without bothering to go through their government. Mexico wants to be respected just like I am sure you want your home and country to be respected.

Is it OK for Mexico to kidnap Dog and take him back to Mexico without bothering to extradite him like everyone else does? Is that OK with everyone on the board? Or is it only US bounty hunters with TV shows and a fan base that get to operate above the law in your eyes?

The US government was looking for Luster...however... bail agents have ALWAYS been better at skip tracing than the government. This is because private enterprise is always more resourceful and successful than government agencies. If the California court had been smarter they would have set a 20 million dollar bond and made sure they used a surety agent. Then a RESPONSIBLE person would have been in charge who would have SECURED 20 mil in collateral and if Luster jumped would have located and had him apprehended LEGALLY and extradited back to the US.

But then you folks wouldn't have all this drama to focus on and a fake and ridiculous TV show with a cartoon character as the lead. The show is completely goofy and we consider it high comedy in the bail industry.

Debbie wrote:

Fleeing Mexican nationals and US citizens are two entirely different things. Luster did not have any rights as a Mexican citizen and Mexico had ZERO problem with returning him to the US. They would have had no problem with arresting him had they known his identity...but Dog didn't want that. He had a TV crew in tow and A & E in the wings chomping at the bit to launch a TV show.
Mexico is a little pissed at our government right now since they have more than once kidnapped someone they wanted without bothering to go through their government. Mexico wants to be respected just like I am sure you want your home and country to be respected.
Is it OK for Mexico to kidnap Dog and take him back to Mexico without bothering to extradite him like everyone else does? Is that OK with everyone on the board? Or is it only US bounty hunters with TV shows and a fan base that get to operate above the law in your eyes?
The US government was looking for Luster...however... bail agents have ALWAYS been better at skip tracing than the government. This is because private enterprise is always more resourceful and successful than government agencies. If the California court had been smarter they would have set a 20 million dollar bond and made sure they used a surety agent. Then a RESPONSIBLE person would have been in charge who would have SECURED 20 mil in collateral and if Luster jumped would have located and had him apprehended LEGALLY and extradited back to the US.
But then you folks wouldn't have all this drama to focus on and a fake and ridiculous TV show with a cartoon character as the lead. The show is completely goofy and we consider it high comedy in the bail industry.

The problem I have with your entire opinion is that is reaks with jealousy over the fact that Dog is a household name, and you are not. He has parlayed the Luster capture into big money and fame, even though he never collected on the reward. The truth is that he is doing what many aMERICANS WANT TO SEE, getting serial rapists off the street> Most bail bondsman are just as profit driven as Dog, he just makes more money. He probably is not any better at his job than anyone else, but he is charismatic, and is filling a need to many people> I don't like everything he does, but after Wisconsin let this sleezy child molester get away, I have more respect for Dog. You care more about your personal saftey than the child victim of that crime, of the woman who practically begged Dog to catch her rapist. I have littel to no respect for the average bondsman, they are truly out for money, not caring about victims of crime. Dog went after Luster after he had been begged to do so, money was part of the equation to be sure. But he is still in constant contact with the Luster victim he was trying to help> How many crime victims have you shown compassion to. Probably none, you only have contact with the accused. Hate Dog all you want, but most Americans respect him, they probably don'y care what you or your industry think of him> I have counselled rape victims, and nothing takes away the pain. Yet nothing causes more pain than knowing the scum who raped them got away with it.

Luster would have, he was rich and pouring money into the Mexican economy, while gearing up for more attacks. Mexico didn't even go after extradition until Dog became a celebrity. If this was all about principle, why did they wait so long.

Name one other person Dog pursued that was not one of his wife's clients? Dog doesn't even have any outside bail clients because of his liability as a convicted felon (in many states he cannot even legally be a bounty hunter).

Dog became interested in finding Luster (who he knew had no financial reward that would pay for his expenses) when A & E were discussing a possible reality show in the future. Dog had already contracted to produce a show for Take This Job and his plan was to use the Luster capture film in that episode... hopefully launching his potential series.

According to Beth Dog used his Christmas and rent money to pursue Luster in January 2003. Do you really think that he used his last dollar to pursue Luster just because he is an American hero? There was a huge financial reward at the end of the A & E rainbow with his own show.

He was so determined that he refused to give the Mexican police Luster and that is what resulted in his arrest! If he was only interest in justice being served why didn't he turn over the body to Mexico?

Now... Dog doesn't want the facts to become public and a trial in Mexico will expose him for the opportunist that he was. He will have to admit he knew the law and chose to disregard it for his own reasons.

Since some of you feel that Dog was wrong WHY NOT PETITION the US courts to FREE Luster?? Then he can move in with you and we can watch the video!

Debbie wrote:

Name one other person Dog pursued that was not one of his wife's clients? Dog doesn't even have any outside bail clients because of his liability as a convicted felon (in many states he cannot even legally be a bounty hunter).
Dog became interested in finding Luster (who he knew had no financial reward that would pay for his expenses) when A & E were discussing a possible reality show in the future. Dog had already contracted to produce a show for Take This Job and his plan was to use the Luster capture film in that episode... hopefully launching his potential series.
According to Beth Dog used his Christmas and rent money to pursue Luster in January 2003. Do you really think that he used his last dollar to pursue Luster just because he is an American hero? There was a huge financial reward at the end of the A & E rainbow with his own show.
He was so determined that he refused to give the Mexican police Luster and that is what resulted in his arrest! If he was only interest in justice being served why didn't he turn over the body to Mexico?
Now... Dog doesn't want the facts to become public and a trial in Mexico will expose him for the opportunist that he was. He will have to admit he knew the law and chose to disregard it for his own reasons.

I never question his motives, I just said that he was begged by one of Luster's victims to get involved, she has admitted her role in urging Dog. But agina, why did Mexico wait so long, why not proceed with their case three years ago, or two. They waited until Dog was a celebrity and they were embarrassed. If they were so interested in justice, they would have come after him long ago.

Beth wrote:

Since some of you feel that Dog was wrong WHY NOT PETITION the US courts to FREE Luster?? Then he can move in with you and we can watch the video!

Beth,

Why do you keep insinuating that anyone wants Luster free or we are protecting him? Do you know what a straw man argument is? It is a sure sign that you have a very weak case for your position and you need to eliminate Luster from your comments. The Mexicans IMMEDIATELY surrendered Luster to the US authorities and he was in a California prison within 36 hours of his initial arrest.

Getting Luster arrested was NOT THE PROBLEM! The problem was that a self-proclaimed worlds most successful bounty hunter is claiming ignorance of very well known laws and the proper procedures for extradition from Mexico. Simply indefensible.

So... answer me this. Why? Why did Dog Chapman not arrange for the Mexican police to make the arrest? Or failing that...why didn't he contact them upon the arrest and turn over the body immediately? When he was stopped by the police why did he REFUSE to give them Luster's body as they demanded?

Debbie wrote:

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Beth,
Why do you keep insinuating that anyone wants Luster free or we are protecting him? Do you know what a straw man argument is? It is a sure sign that you have a very weak case for your position and you need to eliminate Luster from your comments. The Mexicans IMMEDIATELY surrendered Luster to the US authorities and he was in a California prison within 36 hours of his initial arrest.
Getting Luster arrested was NOT THE PROBLEM! The problem was that a self-proclaimed worlds most successful bounty hunter is claiming ignorance of very well known laws and the proper procedures for extradition from Mexico. Simply indefensible.
So... answer me this. Why? Why did Dog Chapman not arrange for the Mexican police to make the arrest? Or failing that...why didn't he contact them upon the arrest and turn over the body immediately? When he was stopped by the police why did he REFUSE to give them Luster's body as they demanded?

Then you answer this: what right does the Mexican government have to come into our country and demand anyone from us. They knew Luster was there and they did nothing to capture or return him to the US. They harbored a very dangerous man. Dog on the other hand is not a dangerous man. I am amazed at the lack of understanding and the amount of insults that arise on these forums! Everyone has to be right and everyone has to agree with everyone or they are insulted and put down. Dog is a hero--PERIOD THE END!

Debbie wrote:

Name one other person Dog pursued that was not one of his wife's clients? Dog doesn't even have any outside bail clients because of his liability as a convicted felon (in many states he cannot even legally be a bounty hunter).
Dog became interested in finding Luster (who he knew had no financial reward that would pay for his expenses) when A & E were discussing a possible reality show in the future. Dog had already contracted to produce a show for Take This Job and his plan was to use the Luster capture film in that episode... hopefully launching his potential series.
According to Beth Dog used his Christmas and rent money to pursue Luster in January 2003. Do you really think that he used his last dollar to pursue Luster just because he is an American hero? There was a huge financial reward at the end of the A & E rainbow with his own show.
He was so determined that he refused to give the Mexican police Luster and that is what resulted in his arrest! If he was only interest in justice being served why didn't he turn over the body to Mexico?
Now... Dog doesn't want the facts to become public and a trial in Mexico will expose him for the opportunist that he was. He will have to admit he knew the law and chose to disregard it for his own reasons.

You know nothing of what Dog wants!

Beth wrote:

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Then you answer this: what right does the Mexican government have to come into our country and demand anyone from us. They knew Luster was there and they did nothing to capture or return him to the US. They harbored a very dangerous man. Dog on the other hand is not a dangerous man. I am amazed at the lack of understanding and the amount of insults that arise on these forums! Everyone has to be right and everyone has to agree with everyone or they are insulted and put down. Dog is a hero--PERIOD THE END!

Beth,

That is pure fantasy girl. Mexico had no idea that Luster was there and living under an alias until they discovered them in Dog's vehicle. Once alerted they immediately detained him and notified the US to come and get him.

Back up your statement with a link where anyone with any credibility has offered up any evidence to support your preposterous statements. Do you really expect people to believe that the Mexican government was knowingly harboring a serial rapist???

That is too stupid for words and their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Beth wrote:

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You know nothing of what Dog wants!

Unlike you, I actually can link to articles where Beth and Dog have been quoted making statements that support my posts.

I am still waiting for your link to an article where anyone accuses Mexico of knowingly harboring Luster.

Debbie wrote:

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Unlike you, I actually can link to articles where Beth and Dog have been quoted making statements that support my posts.
I am still waiting for your link to an article where anyone accuses Mexico of knowingly harboring Luster.

Personally I thnk you should be linked to a fence!

Beth,

You again demostrate the weakness of your arguments and the woeful lack of actual facts or evidence to support your bizarre statements.

Debbie wrote:

Beth,
You again demostrate the weakness of your arguments and the woeful lack of actual facts or evidence to support your bizarre statements.

You think that you are so superior to everyone else. You attack anything and everything that anyone else says if it does not agree with you, while FORGETTING that Mexico is NOT a part of the US. I am sick and tired of our government turning over a man who is clearly a GOOD MAN. I don't care WHAT Mexico wants or thinks and as far as I am concerned they can keep all their people in their country. As for my BIZARRE STATEMENTS, lady FIRST AMENDMENT rights--at least I am PRO Dog in a PRO Dog forum and not a hypercritical Floridian.

Again, this is not a pro-Dog forum.

Answer my questions on why Dog chose to ignore Mexican law and refused to turn over Luster to Mexican authorites? Why did he commit the same crime of bond jumping that he chases down others for?

Debbie wrote:

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Beth,
That is pure fantasy girl. Mexico had no idea that Luster was there and living under an alias until they discovered them in Dog's vehicle. Once alerted they immediately detained him and notified the US to come and get him.
Back up your statement with a link where anyone with any credibility has offered up any evidence to support your preposterous statements. Do you really expect people to believe that the Mexican government was knowingly harboring a serial rapist???
That is too stupid for words and their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Oh I am so sure that Mexico knew that he was there.

Debbie wrote:

Again, this is not a pro-Dog forum.
Answer my questions on why Dog chose to ignore Mexican law and refused to turn over Luster to Mexican authorites? Why did he commit the same crime of bond jumping that he chases down others for?

Because his goal in life is to make sure that YOU have something to spout off at the mouth about!
He lives for that and ONLY that.