Pelosi is wrong on 'abortion rights'

Pelosi is wrong on abortion because she doesn't agree with you. And, you are the moral conscience of the world. She is just some dumb old house wife, who has done nothing with her life.

crazy wrote:

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ROFL, boy you must feel like an idiot for calling someone else one because of a typo and then you do the same.

Oh, please. That moron doesn't know how to spell "comment". That was no typo. Compared to you, I feel like a genius.

Diana Hsieh wrote:

A new human life does begin at conception, but that's not the relevant issue. What matters is that a human *person* with the right to life must be a biologically separate entity in its own right, not encased within and wholly dependent on a woman. In other words, rights begin at birth.
For a detailed defense of that view, see "Amendment 48 Is Anti-Life: Why It Matters That a Fertilized Egg Is Not a Person" by Ari Armstrong and myself. It's available at:
http://www.seculargovernment.us/docs/a48.pdf
Diana Hsieh
Founder, Coalition for Secular Government
http://www.seculargovernment.us

When does the protection of the life of a baby Bald Eagle begin.......before or after it hatches?
Some people are so sad in the way they think.

Steve wrote:

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When does the protection of the life of a baby Bald Eagle begin.......before or after it hatches?
Some people are so sad in the way they think.

Are you equating a human fetus with a Bald Eagle chick? Gee, some people are so sad in the way they think.

Find something original to say, instead of parroting anti-choice sites.

Dewhickey wrote:

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Are you equating a human fetus with a Bald Eagle chick? Gee, some people are so sad in the way they think.
Find something original to say, instead of parroting anti-choice sites.

Sorry to blow your ever-so-smart theory, but I haven't read anything about Bald Eagle eggs on any anti-choice sites.

All I am saying is that it's amazing how a potential fertilized Bald Eagle egg has a greater value than that of a human life in yours, as well as many others minds, and why is that?

To answer your question: One human fetus is far more valuable than all the Bald Eagles that have ever or ever will hatch!!!!!!

And why do you have to make stupid remarks at the end of your post?

Steve wrote:

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Sorry to blow your ever-so-smart theory, but I haven't read anything about Bald Eagle eggs on any anti-choice sites.
All I am saying is that it's amazing how a potential fertilized Bald Eagle egg has a greater value than that of a human life in yours, as well as many others minds, and why is that?
To answer your question: One human fetus is far more valuable than all the Bald Eagles that have ever or ever will hatch!!!!!!
And why do you have to make stupid remarks at the end of your post?

Why do you?

Dewhickey wrote:

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Why do you?

Just asking

Steve wrote:

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To answer your question: One human fetus is far more valuable than all the Bald Eagles that have ever or ever will hatch!!!!!!

By what standard?

Because we are the only species on Earth that has the ability to dominate and enslave other species for our own enjoyment?

Steve wrote:

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Just asking

No, you're not "just asking".

Next time you hear of a Bald Eagle who has aborted one of her chicks and is being prosecuted for a crime, do be sure to let us all know. Otherwise, your analogy is without merit. Only the woman who is pregnant has the right to decide whether to continue the pregnancy to term or to abort. If a third party attempts to do so, then the woman's rights are being violated.

Do you understand the difference, or is it just too hard to figure it out?

Dewhickey wrote:

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No, you're not "just asking".
Next time you hear of a Bald Eagle who has aborted one of her chicks and is being prosecuted for a crime, do be sure to let us all know. Otherwise, your analogy is without merit. Only the woman who is pregnant has the right to decide whether to continue the pregnancy to term or to abort. If a third party attempts to do so, then the woman's rights are being violated.
Do you understand the difference, or is it just too hard to figure it out?

The question of human rights comes down to the battle between choice and personhood. Freedom of choice can not trump freedom to be or to live as person. The question of whether the fetus is a human is important, but it is not the most crucial. The question is whether the fetus is a person. Human beings may or may not have rights, but human person have in alienable rights, especially the right to live. Is the fetus a person? If it is not a person, then when does personhood begin?

Pedro de Lubac wrote:

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The question of human rights comes down to the battle between choice and personhood. Freedom of choice can not trump freedom to be or to live as person. The question of whether the fetus is a human is important, but it is not the most crucial. The question is whether the fetus is a person. Human beings may or may not have rights, but human person have in alienable rights, especially the right to live. Is the fetus a person? If it is not a person, then when does personhood begin?

A woman's life and her rights are protected. The fetus has no rights under the law. No, the fetus isn't a person. It is not counted as one; it does not get a vote. Get over it. If you don't approve, don't get an abortion. Otherwise, it's not your call. Nobody needs to ask your permission. Or that of anyone else.

When all these pro lifers start paying for and housing, feeding, clothing, educating these unwanted children, then perhaps women will listen to them. Until that time, their voices fall on deaf ears. It is easy for someone to sit back and tell someone else what they must do, quite another to have to do it themselves. I am pro choice simply because I don't think that anyone has the right to tell someone else that they have to carry, deliver and raise a child that they do not want. Don't say give it up for adoption, that doesn't make up for the medical bills that the woman has to pay for 9 month and then the bills for the delivery.

Grrrrrr wrote:

I am pro choice simply because I don't think that anyone has the right to tell someone else that they have to carry, deliver and raise a child that they do not want.

It's funny that you say that. I am pro-life b/c I don't think anyone has the right to end a life b/c it is inconvenient for the mother. I also don't think I have a right to make that mother go out and get pregnant. I do however, support the idea of tying the tubes of people who repeatedly have children while feeding off the system. Many of these babies we end up supporting are conceived intentionally so that mama can get more money - taking care of the baby is optional in some of their minds. People like this wouldn't have abortions anyway. They need the babies to bring in income.

Grrrrrr wrote:

Don't say give it up for adoption, that doesn't make up for the medical bills that the woman has to pay for 9 month and then the bills for the delivery.

So how much is a life worth?

Dewhickey wrote:

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A woman's life and her rights are protected. The fetus has no rights under the law. No, the fetus isn't a person. It is not counted as one; it does not get a vote. Get over it. If you don't approve, don't get an abortion. Otherwise, it's not your call. Nobody needs to ask your permission. Or that of anyone else.

According to the law of the US the fetus has no rights, because it is not defined as a human person. Biologically speaking it is human, but it is not a person. When does the personhood of a human being begin? What constitutes personhood?

Pedro

<Biologically speaking it is human, but it is not a person.>

A. Oh really? Come look at this and tell me that the unborn baby is not human. And you say you are a Catholic? Shame on you. BTW, the Constitution of the United States and the Unborn have a right to be born:

The Constitution of the United States of America

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Abortion of an Unborn Baby is MURDER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bob wrote:

Abortion is Murder!!!

Bob, it is infanticide and murder of the Unborn going on to devalue the life of a baby inside the womb of his/her mother.

Shameful that this goes on each day nonstop in our country and in the world. Pray for the Unborn that they may be protected from harm through an attempt by his/her mother.

RoeVWade needs to be overturned in a court of law. Prolife and not ProChoice and adoption is the option for those that don't want to keep the baby once born.

Bob wrote:

Abortion is Murder!!!

YES, abortion is murder!

NitaM wrote:

Pedro
<Biologically speaking it is human, but it is not a person.>
A. Oh really? Come look at this and tell me that the unborn baby is not human. And you say you are a Catholic? Shame on you. BTW, the Constitution of the United States and the Unborn have a right to be born:
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Abortion of an Unborn Baby is MURDER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Nita,

You have taken my words of context. Please read post #237, Dewhickey's response to it, and the entire post of 242.

No where have I said that I am for abortion in post 242.

I merely stated that the law of this country does not recognize the personhood of the fetus, and, as a result, the unborn has no rights. Science may declare that the fetus is biologically human, but it cannot say it is a person.

Rights are allocated to persons. This is a philosophical struggle. Hence I asked the following questions: where/when does personhood begin and what grounds personhood?

Pelosi is not wrong on a decision that is not her's to make. Those of you who think you have the right to make a decision for all people regardless of their situation are playing God. That is wrong and offensive.

Whether you think that you are God or not, I definitely don't.

Had God meant you to have that role he would have given you other powers...and bigger brains. Certainly you'd be capable of more logic.