Yes, America, We Have Executed an Innocent Man

May 16, 2012 Full story: www.theatlantic.com 162

Carlos DeLuna was put to death in December 1989 for a murder in Corpus Christi. But he didn't commit the crime. Today, his case reminds us of the glaring flaws of capital punishment.

Even for Justice Antonin Scalia, the crassest of the current United States Supreme Court justices, it was a particularly callous piece of writing. In 2006, in a case styled Kansas v. Marsh, the Court's five conservatives had just upheld a portion of Kansas' capital punishment law. The statute was interpreted to direct a sentence of death even if a jury found the "aggravating" and "mitigating" sentencing factors in equilibrium -- "equipoise," the Court lyrically called it. A tie, in other words, would mean death, not life.

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koz

Broadview Heights, OH

#41 May 22, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
So that:
"...Whose bad is it when mistakes are made and previously convicted murderers kill hundreds of innocent victims..." IT is YOUR BAD, koz.
Yes, you are to blame for all those murders you whine about.
YOU did it.
Keep trying, maybe someday you will write something, by accident, that is rational. By the way, should I cheer about hundreds of murders instead of being concerned about them?
xyz

Iowa City, IA

#42 May 22, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were innocent, but I found you guilty, wouldn't you want to die right away?
Soppose I killed you, and then found out I made a mistake, you were innocent...my bad.
I've been ready to die for a long time. If a convicted murder/rapist gets out of jail and harms someone you love you'll wish they had been executed swiftly at the time.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#43 May 23, 2012
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been ready to die for a long time. If a convicted murder/rapist gets out of jail and harms someone you love you'll wish they had been executed swiftly at the time.
Ready and wanting are two different states.

I say, why let them out?
Murder should pull life in prison without parole; rape 30 years, and life parole with castration by the victim or victim's family.
koz

Shippingport, PA

#44 May 24, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
Ready and wanting are two different states.
I say, why let them out?
Murder should pull life in prison without parole; rape 30 years, and life parole with castration by the victim or victim's family.
As a supporter of the ACLU, you know that all of that is impossible.
xyz

Iowa City, IA

#45 May 24, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Ready and wanting are two different states.
I say, why let them out?
Murder should pull life in prison without parole; rape 30 years, and life parole with castration by the victim or victim's family.
I agree but the jails are full to overflowing so that on occasion, murders and rapist are let out. There was a story a while back where a jail was so full that the prisoners were sleeping on the floors outside of cells. And why do we keep building more jails? If they executed the worst offenders they wouldn't have to keep building more jails. Not only that- how much does it cost the taxpayer to house and feed these scum?
xyz

Iowa City, IA

#46 May 24, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Ready and wanting are two different states.
Ready to murder and rape and wanting to murder and rape are two different states also.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#47 May 24, 2012
koz wrote:
<quoted text>As a supporter of the ACLU, you know that all of that is impossible.
And wanting and knowing are two different states.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#48 May 24, 2012
xyz wrote:
<quoted text>
Ready to murder and rape and wanting to murder and rape are two different states also.
Not locked away in prison, they're not.
flowerchild

Indianapolis, IN

#49 May 25, 2012
koz wrote:
<quoted text> But since we have DNA testing now, your extravagent claim is irrelavent.
There is not always DNA evidence...
flowerchild

Indianapolis, IN

#50 May 25, 2012
I agree with you. The prosecuters that hide or "lose" evidence need to be prosecuted for tampering at the very least. I also believe and know the labs do make mistakes with the tests sometimes and hide those facts as well. Good points!
These are People wrote:
<quoted text>
What if the person doing the testing falsified the results as is believed to have happened in a military lab in Texas in just the last few years?
What if they do not allow the DNA testing that might free a person as is happening sometimes now?
Also, I might add, if prosecutors were all interested in being sure they had the right person maybe then we would not have as many locked up that should not be. I am not saying all prosecutors are bad as I do not believe that at all. I hope the good honest ones are way in the majority--but the fact is many are not. The Supreme Court just ruled in the last year or two on a case that no action would be taken against a prosecutor that withheld evidence that caused a person to spend many years in prison for a crime he was cleared of later. If we want to change things, we need to also insure that prosecutors are held accountable when they purposely withhold evidence.
flowerchild

Indianapolis, IN

#51 May 25, 2012
Bill, that's just not true. You truly can't believe mistakes are never made at any lab, law enforcement (while collecting evidence, prosecuters hiding or losing evidence...that's just denial.
Bill----- wrote:
<quoted text>
Some day you are going to check at least one statement out before you spout off with your constant string of lies and distortions.
The Army Lab you are talking about is at Ft Gillem GA -- so you are off by only 1/2 of the continent as usual. BTW that is the only place where DNA testing was done for criminal cases.
The rest of the post is just as bad: lies, distortions, and just plain garbage.
Spike

Akron, OH

#52 May 25, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
If even one person spends one day in prison for a crime they did not commit, that makes us no different than those totalitarian regimes in the world that we fight against and find so heinous and outrageous.
We ARE becoming just like our enemies.
Ya have to break a few eggs to make an Omelet

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#53 May 25, 2012
flowerchild wrote:
Bill, that's just not true. You truly can't believe mistakes are never made at any lab, law enforcement (while collecting evidence, prosecuters hiding or losing evidence...that's just denial.
<quoted text>
I never said what you are saying that I believe. No denial at all. I was talking about what she does and says. Go back and reread bit what she said and my reply.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#54 May 25, 2012
Right Flowerchild, he did not say it was untrue only that it was lies, distortions, and just plain garbage.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#55 May 26, 2012
I guess I'll still have to wait to see some proof that he was innocent. Nothing factual has been offered here or anywhere else that the claim is true.

Something to think about! If the claims were true and factual, why would not all of the anti-death penalty folks be putting all their influence and money behind these claims. It it was true then this would bring about a major shift in public opinion. Only problem is that the last time they did this they ended up with egg all over their face in the Coleman Case.(For those not familiar with the case, his picture ended up on covers of mags -- but almost nothing after DNA proved him guilty.)
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#56 May 26, 2012
Because Coleman was found guilt, then apparently to one that means all the others are guilty also. For all of those that die begging for DNA to be tested, then apparently, we should continue as we so often do, and just put them to death because they are probably guilty anyway. At least this appears to be the viewpoint of one.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#57 May 26, 2012
These are People wrote:
<quoted text>
What if the person doing the testing falsified the results as is believed to have happened in a military lab in Texas in just the last few years?
What if they do not allow the DNA testing that might free a person as is happening sometimes now?
Also, I might add, if prosecutors were all interested in being sure they had the right person maybe then we would not have as many locked up that should not be. I am not saying all prosecutors are bad as I do not believe that at all. I hope the good honest ones are way in the majority--but the fact is many are not. The Supreme Court just ruled in the last year or two on a case that no action would be taken against a prosecutor that withheld evidence that caused a person to spend many years in prison for a crime he was cleared of later. If we want to change things, we need to also insure that prosecutors are held accountable when they purposely withhold evidence.
Wait a minute. Let's go back to my comments above. Bill says since the lab that I spoke of was not in Texas then this is only 1/2 true. Sounds to me as though the location of the lab would not be so important that it would make it only 1/2 true.

Now he admits on this post further down that lab test can be falsified and prosecutors will withhold evidence. So how can the location of the lab make this only 1/2 true? Also, he reports the rest is just lies, distortions, and garbage. What other is he talking about?

Now he wants to say he was apparently not talking about this when he made this statement, but about other post that I made.

This guy is always saying to anyone that disagrees with him that they need mental help. Huh, after listening to this guy for awhile, the most stable minded person could need mental help. LOL LOL

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#58 May 26, 2012
These are People wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a minute. Let's go back to my comments above. Bill says since the lab that I spoke of was not in Texas then this is only 1/2 true. Sounds to me as though the location of the lab would not be so important that it would make it only 1/2 true.
Now he admits on this post further down that lab test can be falsified and prosecutors will withhold evidence. So how can the location of the lab make this only 1/2 true? Also, he reports the rest is just lies, distortions, and garbage. What other is he talking about?
Now he wants to say he was apparently not talking about this when he made this statement, but about other post that I made.
This guy is always saying to anyone that disagrees with him that they need mental help. Huh, after listening to this guy for awhile, the most stable minded person could need mental help. LOL LOL
Yes, I really believe that you are one of the sickest people on the entire forum. You have no idea what the truth is and have demonstrated most of the characteristics of a sociopath or a true compulsive liar. A true sicko either way.
Mary

Leesburg, FL

#59 May 26, 2012
BILL, do you live at s.o.?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#60 May 26, 2012
Mary wrote:
BILL, do you live at s.o.?
No, he is the teacher. I am the LEO, but I know him.

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