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<quoted text> You claim to come from a normal family where mom was home and you had family dinners. Uh,no you didn't.
Uh YES I did. WHo the hell do you think you are to tell anyone else what kind of life they lived or home they came from?
You said that you were placed with a black family while your Dad and Grandpa worked. Where was mom?
@@ You're an ignorant piece of shit Skanky. I didn't say I was 'placed with a black family', I said my dad and grandfather took me to work, and they'd drop me off with my friends, who happened to be black. Much like kids would have been off playing with their friends in their own neighborhoods during the days I went to work with them. I only went to work with my dad during the summer, and when my mom wasn't feeling well. You act like THAT is something atypical as well. It wasn't. Kids often went to work with their parents in the 60's.

Where was mom? My mom was home. My mother was also very sick for as long as I can remember. I was a high energy kid, something she physically couldn't deal with very well as she had JD and Multiple Sclerosis. She was home doing what home-makers often did. Cleaning house, shopping, cooking and watching her soap opera's.
You don't even know what an average and ordinary family life is.
Oh I know EXACTLY what it is you're trying to CLAIM it is, but YOU can't put any words to what an "average and ordinary family life is" BEYOND making the claim that its an "intact family" that lives a G-d Centered life. By YOUR definition, I came from a family that's EXACTLY THAT.

We had breakfast AND dinner every single night, except on the nights my mom was too sick to stand, and then my grandmother and greandfather would come over and we'd have dinner with them. Every Sabbath, Friday night and Saturday we were in Shul as a family, Sundays I went to Hebrew school until I was Bat Mitzvah'd.

By YOUR standard, we were as typical and ordinary as it got.
That is why you are fighting me.
Oh I'm not fighting you - I'm flat out telling you that you're full of shit. There's a difference.
No family has the same dynamics obviously but family life IS family life. You seem clueless about what family life is about.
You were dsyfunctional from day one.
If you think its so easily defined, then DEFINE it. I've asked you time and again to do so, but you cant seem to do it.

I dont know a damn thing about your growing up life, so I wont presume to guess, but based on how you are as an adult and present yourself here, your family weren't winners that's for sure.

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That was my point too. There are hugh differences and it shows.
I see things in my own family, having lots of grandchildren, that I think they are missing. Those without a clue will disagree and disagree disageeably but I would contend that the country is not abetter place for kids now.
By YOUR standards, its likely not a better place. But YOUR standards are very questionable, and not how I'd want MY kids raised.

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<quoted text>God CONDEMNS killing.
Bullshit. You must not read your bible, G-d COMMANDS killing. Quite often in fact.

Oh wait, you're talking about your jesus who ISN'T many people's g-d. Which of course makes your point moot.

WORST CASE SCENERIO,baby is delivered very early perhaps even too immature to survive and they die naturally.
Yeah, because THAT is so more humaine for all concerned.
Times HAVE changed katie.
Yes they have. And women dont have to take shit your kind dish out anymore. They have CHOICES and those CHOICES include abortion. Deal with it.

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<quoted text>No,actually NOBODY was talking about the "greatest generation ever" or "the 1950's" at all EXCEPT katie.
I mentioned my moms generations as an example as was bigsky discussing his moms. So,you are wrong.
Pay attention.
I AM paying attention Skanky, you however didn't bother (as usual) to read what when on while you were gone, and the discusion, which included Inkstain, most certainly WAS about the 1950's last night.

You were gone. Nobody cared. The discussion moved on without you.

If you can't be bothered to catch up, then dont bitch when you're called on your bullshit.

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Gee, let's see if Trashy sASSy screams that YOU grew up in a "dysfunctional" home.
She caterwauled about foo being raised in a "dysfucntional" home, and screeched at katie, as well.
Let's see her mentally deficient logic try to dance around this one.
Who raised you, Ink? Who paid the bills? Did they have to leave the home to work? Were you on public assistance? Did anyone else ever watch you?
*I* never had anyone else watch me. My parents tag-teamed. When one was out at work, etc., the other was with us. Always. We all went to church and sang in the choir, and were always told how well-behaved we were.
Let's see Miss Trashy trash that one.
Honey,do you even know what the term dsyfunctional means?

Lala you said quite a few times that while your mom was at work that YOU kids did all the work. That is what you resent. Your mom CLEARLY wanted what she wanted REGARDLESS of your Dads condition that led him to having to stay home. Had he been fully capable of working,she would have STILL worked because that is what SHE wanted. She was a rebel,remember?

Anyway,you act like a divorced situation is normal. It is not. It is a dsyfunction of the family life. There are two parties to blame for it OR one who didn't take their vows seriously and destroyed the family unit. THAT is dsyfunction and the kids growing up in it,live in dysfunction.

I have a gf who is the sweetest person. Her husband is an alcoholic. She KNOWS her marriage is dsyfunctional and that her kids live in dsyfunction.

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You came from dsyfunction. You said that you had a mother who was home so explain your first paragraph where you went to work with Dad and Grandpa and then dumped off with a black family where you ate,slept and went on daily trips with them. WHERE was mom?
You lied.
***sighs*** I did not lie you moron. You just jumped to your usual MORONIC conclusions.

Oh and BTW, I never said I went on "trips" with a black family.

I said I had FRIENDS that were black, whom I sometimes played with during the day over the summers, just like any other "normal" kid.

My mother was at home, often sick. Perhaps YOU think it would have been better to keep a 6-8 year old around an infirm parent with nothing to do or nowhere to go, but my family felt otherwise. Wisely so, as I got to experience a part of life that YOU would never know about in your lilly white world.

Ours was a family that had a family business that everyone was involved in to one extent or another. I grew up to go INTO that family business, as did my cousin who's still in it.

Only an asshole like YOU would try to make it a BAD THING that a child spend time with a father and grandfather as they worked.

You truly are an idiot.

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My kids grew up on a farm and the work ethic and the sense of responsibility to the animals is priceless. It stays with them their whole life..
Yeah, right down to eating thier roadkill.@@

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<quoted text> So, when womens go to work to earn money to feed, clothe and shelter their children, they aren't putting their's kids first? How many families do you know that can live on one adult's salary? Even your "perfect nuclear family" has to have two wage earners, in order to make ends meet. Of course, a family can always opt to be low-income and subsidize their household with government assistance. That way Mom can stay home as you believe she should. Is that okay with you? Make up your mind, hon.
It IS possible to live with one salary until your last kid goes to school. People have done it FOREVER. People live WAY above their means. WAY ABOVE. They then can't pay their bills. Then they claim to "have to" work.

Check out your local fast food places,resturants,recreational places,Disney,etc...etc...and you tell ME if these people are struggling...and then YOU tell ME why they struggle.

Alot of people that I know make ends meet with one salary. They LIVE with restrictions yet manage to have extra's too. MOST working women will be afraid to admit that they wouldn't have it any other way. Some how,many women because of people like lala,chicky(and others)feel inadequate to be SAHM's.

PRO-WOMEN? lol hardly. They are anti-woman. They degrade women who are in good marriages and stay home to raise their families. Lala called it "leaching" off your husband. Seems they have failed marriages and don't want to see other women happy or staying home with their kids.

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Bullshit. You must not read your bible, G-d COMMANDS killing. Quite often in fact.
Oh wait, you're talking about your jesus who ISN'T many people's g-d. Which of course makes your point moot.
<quoted text> Yeah, because THAT is so more humaine for all concerned.
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Yes they have. And women dont have to take shit your kind dish out anymore. They have CHOICES and those CHOICES include abortion. Deal with it.
Oh so God must have read the bible and saw what you did...where God COMMANDS killing-quite often in fact(like you said).

What a dope.

CHOICES CHOICES.

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oops.....the colorado killer must have read the bible and saw what you did..where God COMMANDS killing...etc.

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It is unfortunate that some mothers have to work while their children are small. It is also unfortunate that some mothers would rather work than care for the kids they gave birth to. It is unfortunate that kids grow up in daycare and not under mom's wing. It is unfortunate that women don't bother to marry the fathers of their children or if they do, decide to divorce them because they have differences, the basis of most divorces. It's unfortunate that dads can so easily be replaced either by another boyfriend or the government.
I really respect the parents who worked through the tough times together to be able to spend enough time with the kids to have some influence over them and show them a personal closeness and love.
What's sad is that people do not take responsibility for their actions. They think of what THEY want,when they want it,then when the consequences come,it's NOT their fault,so they excuse their solutions.

Kids today are living through the results of such people. Couples overspend,live above their means or have high standards that they want to live by, and then the KID pays the consequences. Mom HAS to work therefore,leaving kids to be babysat by EVERYONE under the sun(babysitters,daycares,sport teams,sleep away camps or any other program that will tend to them while mom think she is doing it for *them*).

THAT in my opinion is where the breakdown begins. Of course the root is where they take God out of the picture. We are selfish by nature in our fallen state so it is very easy to fall into the self-centered trap.

It seems that most working moms that I know ALWAYS seem to think that they DESERVE "me" time as a reward. I know many who's in-laws raise their kids WHILE cooking and cleaning for them. The funny part is that these couples can't STAND or have nothing ince to say about their parents or in-laws who are doing all this for them.
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<quoted text>No,foo was not right nor are you. Knit and bigsky were having a conversation. What sparked my interested was when bigsky mention his mom in the depression days. I mentioned that MY mom was born in the days of the depression and went on to share my story.
Okay? So my mom was born in the days of the depression. I don't think that you could have mistaken that for the 1950's. Foo however,just jumps into conversation to fight. She doesn't pay attention.
YOU then chimmed in with your negative opinion on how the good ole days weren't so good. Why would you think I was discussing baby boomers or the 50's when discussing my mom OR the fact that she lived in the days of the depression? Do the math.
Every time a conversation is started,you people go so off topic. I was thinking as you started into he conversation about "the good old days" or the Leave it to beaver times..when that was IRRELEVENT to what I was discussing.
Then stop making generalities and exaggerating while accusing me of it. You posted people of the Depression (who do you think was growing up at that time? The Greatest Generation) had values because they stayed together, even when broke, due to a "deep family bond". This is such a blatant falsehood but I didn't address it one bit. What I did was point out your inaccuracy and suggest you research.
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<quoted text> Hey Bigsky ;) What a sweet testimony of true love. Parents in those days seemed to be able to have deep family bonding that I feel today they lack. My parents also have stories from the depression days and while sad,they show such strong family values and love. Today Parents spoil their kids too much. I feel it's done for all the wrong reasons. I feel that they do it out of guilt. Kids are not stupid. They know what's being done and why and I feel that is WHY they don't appreciate all that they have.
Parents are suppose to make their child number one. It doesn't happen much today. It's like their careers,wants and needs come first and as you can see,the results are tragic.
"Parents are suppose to make their child number one. It doesn't happen much today."

It didn't happen much in the past, either. While your post pulls on heartstrings, it is not factually correct. You should research the abysmal conditions children were raised in not too long ago.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...

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If it was such a great world now, we wouldn't need so many shelters for women. You obviosly are seeing the results of modern society.
You know Inky, this would be MUCH funnier if I didn't think you REALLY BELIEVE that the NEED for shelters is a "modern socitey" issue.

Are you REALLY this ignorant??

Yes Inky, it was SO much better back in the days when women had to stay with an abusive man - men who were also often abusive to the kids, ALL because the TYPICAL INTACT FAMILY was SO much more important than them getting help.

BTW, it would be nice if you could post just once without lying about what I or others have said. NOWHERE have I said "its such a great world now". HOWEVER, it IS a more modern world where women dont have to sit back and be abused or even simply dissatisfied with their lives because idiots like YOU think they should.

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Sassy, and only Sassy can correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe anything was ever said about lifesaving abortion. It was about an abortion. The PC's added the other part as usual.
Actually, I can (and will) correct you, since I am the one that asked her about the lifesaving abortion you jackass.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-paul-mn/TJ... #

Note the question I asked:

"Or dont you want to admit you'd rather have your child die, than save her life with an abortion?"

Of course you WANT the Skank to respond to back up your stupidity.

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<quoted text> Kids not so long ago,had a part in the family functions. They ALL pooled together to make life work. They NEEDED each other. Their labor was this scenerio lala made up about abused,beaten kids who were forced to work long hours. It was called SURVIVAL.
My mom and Dad also had a hand in the family functions. They were abused or forced. Today,kids have NO place in their families. They wouldn't know what it's like to have a chore. Mom ships them off to daycares and endless activities after school to baby sit them in the name of being "educated" and "entertainment". Then they are paid to take their plate off the table because they wouldn't dare do it otherwise.
There is NO sense of family values today. It's all parents shifting their responsibilites on others while under the disguise of preparing for their kids future education.
Barely ANY of my kids friends have relationships with their mothers. They think that it's weird and unusual that they have a close relationship with their mom or dad. NOT ONE eats at a family dinner. They grew up with Mcdonalds as their dinners or chicken nuggets and fries if they actually were home to eat. Kids are not supervised by parents. This is tragic in my opinion. There is ONE friend that has a close relationship with mom but dad is dsyfunctional to the core.
My sons gf has the most clueless mother. She put her career first. Very successful. Put her kids in top colleges. They had to do well in school. This was suppose to be testimony that she did a FAB job of raising her children. Dad left when they were younger. He saw them on weekends. EVERYTHING was good in their minds because they were all educated people.
This woman and man are CLUELESS. They don't know their children. Someone raised them but it wasn't them. They were too busy "providing" for their childrens education. Came graduation time from college..WELL...they were given big parties and paraded around. GOAL accomplished. EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION. ZERO family life. ZERO.
You are SO full of shit, I'm amazed you can sneeze without crap coming out of your ears.

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I didn't mention the fifties either.
THank you for giving me yet ANOTHER opportunity to spotlight what a complete lying sack of shit you are.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...

Post 2503 in this thread from last night.

You lying.

Again.

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I can understand having your personal feelings about abortion which she says she is against and believe that other have a right to do what they want but she says she guides women through praying pro lifers to make sure women can kill their babies. That has to be against Judaism.
I said I help women get to clinics to avoid harassment from idiots like you. And no, that's NOT against Judaism. Espeically when the women are not Jewish. I was introduced to this work many years ago by my fathers ORTHODOX rabbi.

I've NEVER taken anyone anywhere to "kill their babies".

One would think you lying incessently about others would be against Christianity's beliefs.

But hey, its one standard for you and your lies, and another standard for others huh Inky?

That's called HYPOCRISY dear. You are the queen of it. Are you proud?

AGAIN for the stupid thing: Judaism doesn't presume to tell those of other faiths how to live their lives or what decisions they should make for themselves.

But keep lying about it Inky, if that's what gets you through the day.

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<quoted text>Deception is the name of the proabort game.
The original converation regarding this "what if" scenerio came up and I was questioned if my daughter wanted an abortion,would I still love her.
My response was I would LOVE my children no matter what they did. I specifically said that I would NEVER support her aborting no matter what. In fact, the topic being discussed too was if one of our kids told us that they were gay,would we accept that. My specific answer was NO. I would LOVE my children but in no way,shape or form,would I EVER condone what we believed went against God. No more or less(I said)then if my child became involved in drugs. I wouldn't ACCEPT or CONDONE it.(neither the drugs of homosexuality would be a cause that I would rather my child die than to do that though,but KILLING is permanent) I would LOVE my child no matter what especially since I was a sinner too.
Then,it went off into this spiraled out of control garbage. Interestingly,every time the topic got regurgitated,I mentioned that I even explained this conversation to my daughter when she was near me during one of these such conversations. She said "I WOULD NEVER KILL MY CHILD NOR WOULD IT EVER ENTER MY MIND". She even said that if she was so insane to do so,that she'd wish she be dead first before she ever had a chance to kill her child.
I also added another scenerio where I'd rather my son be dead(peacefully in his sleep of course)then to find out he raped,tortured and killed women.
It was ALL rhetorical questions.
It doesn't matter if they were rhetorical or not, it says volumes about how sick you are, that you'd rather your children DIE than find out they did something you didn't like.

You're pathetic.

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<quoted text>The links to my answer proved what I said. I will say it again.
I would rather my daughter die first then to EVER kill her child in or out of the womb.
Now go ahead with your dishonest self,and tell me that I wish my daughter dead .
You just said you'd wish your daughter dead IF she did something you dont approve of you MORON. Nothing dishonest about it.

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Doesn't the baby have a soul at forty days as Judism teaches?
Do you think you should perform a medical procedure that kills a fetus with a soul?
Just for interest
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/1...
You're really dumber than dirt Inkstain. You take some idiots 6 year old blog and believe it with NO factual information to back it up SIMPLY BECAUSE IT FITS YOUR AGENDA?

Why am I not surprised?

If you ACTUALLY want to know when full ensoulment happens, read the actual Jewish law: PAY ATTENTION TO THE LAST SENTENCE INKSTAIN.

http://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/sites/defau...

When Life Begins, Grossman HM425:2:2003 3
One of the most important distinctions between Catholic canon law and rabbinic law is that the rabbinic view of ensoulment (when the soul enters the body) does not translate into a juridical definition equating an ensouled fetus with human life.10 R. Meir Abulafia (d. 1244) perhaps best explained it in his comment on the Gemara that nishmat ruach hayim, the soul of the spirit of life, enters at conception but a fetus is lav nefesh hu, is not considered a human life, until it is born.11
If the fetus is not human life, what is it?
Rabbinic law views the fetus as part of its mother’s body, ubar yerekh imo12 (the fetus is [like] the thigh of its mother), and it is to be treated as such.13 So, for example, the rabbis ruled that if a pregnant slave is freed, so is any progeny she is carrying.14 Similarly, when a pregnant woman undergoes religious conversion, no additional or separate ceremony is required for the fetus she carries either at the time of the mother’s conversion or at its birth.15 Neither gestational age nor viability serves to grant the fetus a legal or religious identity independent of its mother prior to birth. Similarly, Rabbi Yair Bachrach reasons that the Sabbath cannot be violated to save a fetus in distress, since it is not a person, arguing instead that the Sabbath could only be violated for the sake of the mother’s health, to which a miscarriage could present a danger.

When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other damage ensues, the one responsible shall be fined according as the woman’s husband may exact from him based on reckoning. But if other damage ensues, the penalty shall be life for life... 17
While the death of the woman would be a capital offense according to the Torah, the destruction of the fetus is not, for clearly the fetus is not a person under the law. The Rabbis agreed, as, for example, in the Mekilta which explains that “yet no other damage ensues” refers to harm to the woman (i.e., her life) while “he shall be fined,” refers to compensation for the loss of the fetus.18 This position was affirmed by later Talmudic commentators.19 Some commentators understood the verse to teach that until birth, the fetus remains potential life rather than a ben kayyama, a viable living being.20 However, even if the fetus had been carried full term, it still would not be considered a ben kayyama until it was actually born.

According to rabbinic law, then, the fetal life is not granted the rights and protections due human life until birth.

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