Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision. Full Story

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#250711 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text>Deception is the name of the proabort game.
The original converation regarding this "what if" scenerio came up and I was questioned if my daughter wanted an abortion,would I still love her.
My response was I would LOVE my children no matter what they did. I specifically said that I would NEVER support her aborting no matter what. In fact, the topic being discussed too was if one of our kids told us that they were gay,would we accept that. My specific answer was NO. I would LOVE my children but in no way,shape or form,would I EVER condone what we believed went against God. No more or less(I said)then if my child became involved in drugs. I wouldn't ACCEPT or CONDONE it.(neither the drugs of homosexuality would be a cause that I would rather my child die than to do that though,but KILLING is permanent) I would LOVE my child no matter what especially since I was a sinner too.
Then,it went off into this spiraled out of control garbage. Interestingly,every time the topic got regurgitated,I mentioned that I even explained this conversation to my daughter when she was near me during one of these such conversations. She said "I WOULD NEVER KILL MY CHILD NOR WOULD IT EVER ENTER MY MIND". She even said that if she was so insane to do so,that she'd wish she be dead first before she ever had a chance to kill her child.
I also added another scenerio where I'd rather my son be dead(peacefully in his sleep of course)then to find out he raped,tortured and killed women.
It was ALL rhetorical questions.
It doesn't matter if they were rhetorical or not, it says volumes about how sick you are, that you'd rather your children DIE than find out they did something you didn't like.

You're pathetic.

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#250712 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text>The links to my answer proved what I said. I will say it again.
I would rather my daughter die first then to EVER kill her child in or out of the womb.
Now go ahead with your dishonest self,and tell me that I wish my daughter dead .
You just said you'd wish your daughter dead IF she did something you dont approve of you MORON. Nothing dishonest about it.

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#250713 Jul 31, 2012
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Doesn't the baby have a soul at forty days as Judism teaches?
Do you think you should perform a medical procedure that kills a fetus with a soul?
Just for interest
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/1...
You're really dumber than dirt Inkstain. You take some idiots 6 year old blog and believe it with NO factual information to back it up SIMPLY BECAUSE IT FITS YOUR AGENDA?

Why am I not surprised?

If you ACTUALLY want to know when full ensoulment happens, read the actual Jewish law: PAY ATTENTION TO THE LAST SENTENCE INKSTAIN.

http://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/sites/defau...

When Life Begins, Grossman HM425:2:2003 3
One of the most important distinctions between Catholic canon law and rabbinic law is that the rabbinic view of ensoulment (when the soul enters the body) does not translate into a juridical definition equating an ensouled fetus with human life.10 R. Meir Abulafia (d. 1244) perhaps best explained it in his comment on the Gemara that nishmat ruach hayim, the soul of the spirit of life, enters at conception but a fetus is lav nefesh hu, is not considered a human life, until it is born.11
If the fetus is not human life, what is it?
Rabbinic law views the fetus as part of its mother’s body, ubar yerekh imo12 (the fetus is [like] the thigh of its mother), and it is to be treated as such.13 So, for example, the rabbis ruled that if a pregnant slave is freed, so is any progeny she is carrying.14 Similarly, when a pregnant woman undergoes religious conversion, no additional or separate ceremony is required for the fetus she carries either at the time of the mother’s conversion or at its birth.15 Neither gestational age nor viability serves to grant the fetus a legal or religious identity independent of its mother prior to birth. Similarly, Rabbi Yair Bachrach reasons that the Sabbath cannot be violated to save a fetus in distress, since it is not a person, arguing instead that the Sabbath could only be violated for the sake of the mother’s health, to which a miscarriage could present a danger.

When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other damage ensues, the one responsible shall be fined according as the woman’s husband may exact from him based on reckoning. But if other damage ensues, the penalty shall be life for life... 17
While the death of the woman would be a capital offense according to the Torah, the destruction of the fetus is not, for clearly the fetus is not a person under the law. The Rabbis agreed, as, for example, in the Mekilta which explains that “yet no other damage ensues” refers to harm to the woman (i.e., her life) while “he shall be fined,” refers to compensation for the loss of the fetus.18 This position was affirmed by later Talmudic commentators.19 Some commentators understood the verse to teach that until birth, the fetus remains potential life rather than a ben kayyama, a viable living being.20 However, even if the fetus had been carried full term, it still would not be considered a ben kayyama until it was actually born.

According to rabbinic law, then, the fetal life is not granted the rights and protections due human life until birth.
Katie

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#250714 Jul 31, 2012
Here's a prime example of what's been discussed. A biography about the guy who wrote and sang "This Land Is Your Land". Born in 1912, he is part of the Greatest Generation. Bet his life was pretty typical, too.

"Early life: 1912–30
Woody Guthrie's Okfuskee County, Oklahoma, childhood home as it appeared in 1979

Guthrie was born in Okemah, a small town in Okfuskee County, Oklahoma, the son of Nora Belle (née Sherman) and Charles Edward Guthrie.[4] His parents named him after Woodrow Wilson, then Governor of New Jersey and the Democratic candidate soon to be elected President of the United States.

Charles Guthrie was an industrious businessman, owning at one time up to 30 plots of land in Okfuskee County. He was actively involved in Oklahoma politics and was a Democratic candidate for office in the county. When Charles was making stump speeches, he would often be accompanied by his son.[5] Charles Guthrie was involved in the 1911 lynching of Laura and Lawrence Nelson. His son wrote three songs about the event and said that his father was later a member of the revived Ku Klux Klan.[6]

Guthrie's early family life was affected by several fires, including one that caused the loss of his family's home in Okemah. His sister Clara later died in a coal-oil (used for heating) fire when Guthrie was seven, and Guthrie's father was severely burned in a subsequent coal-oil fire.[7] The circumstances of these fires, especially that in which Charley was injured, remain unclear. It is unknown whether they were accidents or the result of actions by Guthrie's mother Nora, who was afflicted with Huntington's disease, although the family did not know this at the time. It leads to dementia as well as muscular effects.[8]

Nora Guthrie was eventually committed to the Oklahoma Hospital for the Insane, where she died in 1930 from Huntington's disease. Judging from the circumstances of her father's death by drowning, researchers suspect that George Sherman suffered from the same hereditary disease.[9]

When Nora Guthrie was institutionalized, Woody Guthrie was 14. His father Charley was living and working in Pampa, Texas, to repay his debts from unsuccessful real estate deals. Woody and his siblings were on their own in Oklahoma; they relied on their eldest brother Roy for support. The 14-year-old Woody Guthrie worked odd jobs around Okemah, begging meals and sometimes sleeping at the homes of family friends. According to one story, Guthrie made friends with an African-American blues harmonica player named "George", whom he would watch play at the man's shoe shine booth. Before long, Guthrie bought his own harmonica and began playing along with him. In another interview 14 years later, Guthrie claimed he learned how to play harmonica from a boyhood friend, John Woods, and that his earlier story about the shoe-shining player was false.[10]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Guthrie

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#250715 Jul 31, 2012
Y'know, its pretty amusing that the Skank and Inkstain are SO determined to re-write Jewish law in their Catholic image - but they're both pretty lousy christians.

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#250716 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text> Tragic circumstances CAN be avoided..
No Skanky, in real life, it often CANT be avoided.

Its called human frailty.

You truly are a very stupid person.

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#250717 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text>Oh so what do you do miss "I'M TOUGH AND WILL WARD OFF THE BIG BAD PROLIFERS WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP GIVE WOMEN AN ALTERNATIVE"?
What do you do for women who FEEL forced to abort but have no choice? Do you GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHOICE? No,you don't. You escort them to kill their child and disappear when the emotional or pysical consequences emerge.
You're an anti-woman people please who only cares about killing. How about you offer her TRUE help.
I do Skanky. I make sure these women are fully educated in their choices, and allow them to make their OWN choice unencumbered by idiots like you who would only tell them what you WANT them to know.

The core difference between you and I is I'm not afraid to allow women to learn about ALL of their options, then TRUST them to make the right choice for themselves.

YOU on the other hand, would like to keep them stupid, so you could sway them to do what YOU want.

I DO offer true help. I offer education. I offer support. I offer anything and everything they need to help themselves make the best choices FOR THEM.

MOST of all is what I DONT offer.

I DONT offer phony religous rhetoric. I dont offer them threats of eternal damnnation, and I dont offer them outright lies about what their choices entail. That's YOUR kind's offerings.

You dont want to offer anything really. MOST important you dont want to offer them the power to make their own choices as fully educated women.

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#250718 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text> Read about post-abortive women and their failed marriages and relationships due to their deep rooted,unresolved,unrepentant abortion guilt.
@@ Only in your wet dream does such bullshit exist.

I'll never understand why you have such a burning desire for women that do something against what YOU want them to do, to suffer forever.

THANKFULLY, MOST dont suffer. If they're suffering long lasting guilt that affects their marriages and relationships years later, they have a LOT more mental issues than guilt over an abortion, and they SHOULD be in long term psychiatric care.

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#250719 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Poor kids have no set standards.
Sure they do. They're simply not standards YOU happen to approve of. That doesn't make their standards wrong.

YOUR approval isn't a requirement for someone's standards to be perfectly fine.

Before my daughter went to college, she was seeing a guy (who she's now engaged to) that lived in Virginia. When he could get to Baltimore, he would stay over with us.

He stayed in a pull out bed in the other room, and to my knowledge, they respected our request that they not fool around under our roof. He was happy to be able to see her and spend time he othewise would have missed out on, and he respected our wishes.

COULD they have fooled around and we didn't know it? Sure. But here's the thing: at some point you have to trust your kids. I knew this boy and his parents well enough to know that I believe he could be trusted, and to this day, he's NEVER given me a reason to NOT trust him.

Again, different standards. I would understand why your daughter would say no, especially if she doesn't trust your grandchild or the boyfriend, and maybe doesn't know the parents of the boy. Doesn't make her wrong, but your grandchild certainly SHOULD know the standard of her mother. She set it and is standing by it. Good for her.

But for YOU to claim that there's no set standards for kids is COMPLETE bullshit.

WHat's a set standard for one isn't the standard for another. ANd there's NOTHING wrong with that.

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#250720 Jul 31, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, but you're still going to hell, you evil gay lesbian. God doesn't care about all that love and caring crap.
I haven't forgotten about the cholla, foo:-)
LOL When the weather cools off, we're going to make a bunch of it for some friends that are coming up to see us, and to send to my aunt in Baltimore. If you'd like, I'd love to send you a loaf!

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#250721 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text> You can fight me til the freakin cows come home but mothers should be putting their kids first.
MOthers shouldn't wish their daughters die rather than have a life saving abortion either, but YOU do.

Women that work more often than not ARE putting their kids first you idiot.

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#250722 Jul 31, 2012
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You can be clueless about having and raising kids if you haven't had one or better yet two or three. We aren't all versed the same in everything. Do you know every thing about everything or are you clueless about some subjects? You get offended much too easily.
This is funny coming from the twit that has spent the last few pages bitching that everyone needs to live up to the same standards. HERS. Despite not knowing everything.....AND not being willing to learn.

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#250723 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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You would have to have a strong belief and trust in God to understand. Don't try.
Really? So to believe in your version of g-d it means you'd rather your child die than have a life saving abortion? That's one f'd up g-d you believe in there Inkstain.

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#250724 Jul 31, 2012
SassyJM wrote:
<quoted text> Nobody even knows what NORMAL is anymore. How sad.
You think you know what it is, so DEFINE NORMAL Skanky. Be specific.

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#250725 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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These are frightening stats. Are you saying it was worse before?
http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFa... (National).pdf
I guarantee it was worse before. There was NO regulation, and no place for women to go. So they stayed and often died.

http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/s/a/sash86/...

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/artic...

Where do you think its believed that one of the origins for the term "rule of thumb" comes from Inkstain? Its from the Christian view that a man could beat a woman with a stick no bigger around than the width of his thumb. It was to moderate the beatings women would get from their husbands.

Women didn't have anywhere to go, so they stayed and were abused.

Why is it not surprising that you think this was a better time than now when women DO have alternatives?

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#250726 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Do you think you would be more right with God if you died or if you killed your baby? Remember the Jews say afetus has a soul at 40 days. I would think much earlier.
Jews do NOT say that Inkstain as I've proven.

Apparently ONE Jew said it back in 2007, perhaps he's been educated since then. But dont let the facts deter you from clinging to that erronious comment like a life preserver.

But again, you're not known for your intellectual honesty here.

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#250727 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Well that backfired. Good for her.
See you can learn by the negative. Growing up in a single parent home, I knew how much I was missing. Raising kids in a stable two parent home was super important to me. I did that. There were times that were tough but I always knew that if there was anyway possible, I would keep their parents together. Now children are the last consideration.
Yeah, by all means, lets keep those kids in a two parent home where the parents can't stand each other, where there is mental and physical abuse, or worse - apathy.

That's SO much better for kids.

@@ You ARE a jackass.

Oh and BTW, I call bullshit that you knew how much you were missing. You can't miss what you never knew. You can say that in HINDSIGHT, but at the time? There's no way you could miss what you didnt know.

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#250728 Jul 31, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>My childhood best friend (we were nearly inseparable for 8 years) and her 7 siblings endured abuse from their dad and I never knew about it, they kept it so secret. He broke her sister's jaw, putting her in the hospital. No red flag, no questions, nothing. I was shocked and despondent when A. told me of this side of her childhood, years later. Her dad was a nurse and paramedic, and very well respected in ours community. Who knew and didn't say anything, I wonder...
Same here. When I talked about my friend last night, it was a similar situation. I'll never forget my mom calling me at work and saying "Do you remember your friend sharon, what was her married name?" and when I told her Lopatka she gasped and told me to get the paper, it was front page news.(I'm not worried about posting her name, she's dead and her story is all over the internet as being one of the first people to be murdered by someone she met online) Needless to say, the phone lines were burning up that night with all of us calling each other saying "did you know?- did you suspect?" And of course nobody did.

Two years later when it came out that her father and at least one of her brothers had been abusing her and her sister growing up, THEN many of us were able to start making connections about certain incidents and how she ended up dying.

Inkstain and the Skank would like to turn a blind eye, or dimminish the horror so many in so called G-D FEARING HOMES experienced. "It was RARE" they claim. Bullshit. Its as rare as a blue and brown eyed Husky or Malamute. Just like women having abortions beyond viability for medical reasons arent as RARE as they'd like others to believe.

Shit, according to the Skank, ANY baby can be born and allowed to "die naturally" because that's better than aborting.@@

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#250729 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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I guess from my post you could deduce the fifties. Actually the time frame I meant was more late fifties, early sixties. I could just as well mean the forties, fifties, sixties or even the seventies. They all to my point about today and probably back twenty years.
Uh no. YOu specifically discussed the 50's in the link you gave which I already proved.

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#250730 Jul 31, 2012
Ink wrote:
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You do know that not everyone shares your atheistic point of view, don't you?
So what? You dont seem to care that not everyone gives a shit about your christian views either.

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