Coles accused over trolley staff pay

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sairla wrote:

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I wouldn't consider lynching appropriate for any 'event'- goodness when you get something in your head you just don't see past it Beady.

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Elias wrote:

The Libs would say it's just the "free market" at work.

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sairla Fixers wrote:

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No dear little wonka - we know you know what's in your head.
Why all this charade?
What's the point of it all?

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scooterman wrote:

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A true "free market" would be to remove *ALL* political influence and coercion from the market. Trillions of taxpayer dollars go without the taxpayers' consent towards corporate subsidies, grants, bailouts, special police and intelligence agency security arrangements, funding for military excursions and resource grabs overseas etc.
Smart Liberals and conservatives know what this entails and for the sake of their own financial and personal security they would never advocate a free market beyond removing protections for workers and removing restrictions on themselves and their businesses, whilst still helping themselves without taxpayer permission to taxpayer dollars.
People who advocate "free markets", unless they are an anarcho-capitalists, are full of shit, should get honest with themselves and call themselves corporate-socialists instead.
Remember, free market = NO political influence or coercion in the market at all.....
Back to the thread........ the economy must be looking pretty grim when there is a need to underpay trolley collectors.
Contracting is obviously a great career path for shysters, rip-off merchants and other creeps who would otherwise have to provide a police check were they to seek work as an employee working directly for Coles or another corporation.

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sairla wrote:

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Well dear Beady, why don't you tell me since you seem to know more about what I am thinking than I do?

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sairla wrote:

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In a fair economy there should be sanctions imposed, as you say, enough are employed simply to make the economy more profitable for some - re contracting - yes total exploitation, there are many people in industries driven by contractors - cleaning for example - who are underpaid and overworked - why is there no investigation into this?

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I imagine the workers themselves are vulnerable and not in a position to negotiate the terms of their employment.

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scooterman wrote:

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There's little governmental insight into contracting because politically influential corporations are in favour of it and governments themselves are increasingly using contractors to divest themselves of responsibility. Sadly it looks like it'll become more common in the future.
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From personal experience working under similar arrangements early in my working life I can tell you it is the absolute pits and now I think I'd rather dumpster-dive and live in a squat rather than regress back to that sort of working arrangement, I'd at least still be my own man.
It was fine for an extremely limited amount of time when I was younger and naive about the workforce, still lived with my parents and had no major financial responsibilities but I wouldn't do it now.

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sairla Fixers wrote:

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Mr Beady is not your dear. We've ad enough of your poo in the mouth.
You are not as clever as you think you are,in fact you are completely transparent.
No little wonka, you come out. Stop this idiotic pretence. This not EliASS you dealing with here.
Stop the fooking charade or we will get really angry and when we do your you arse will burn like it never has before.

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sairla wrote:

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I have no idea what you are referring to Beady.

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scooterman wrote:

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There's little governmental insight into contracting because politically influential corporations are in favour of it and governments themselves are increasingly using contractors to divest themselves of responsibility. Sadly it looks like it'll become more common in the future.
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From personal experience working under similar arrangements early in my working life I can tell you it is the absolute pits and now I think I'd rather dumpster-dive and live in a squat rather than regress back to that sort of working arrangement, I'd at least still be my own man.
It was fine for an extremely limited amount of time when I was younger and naive about the workforce, still lived with my parents and had no major financial responsibilities but I wouldn't do it now.

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scooterman wrote:

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There's little governmental insight into contracting because politically influential corporations are in favour of it and governments themselves are increasingly using contractors to divest themselves of responsibility. Sadly it looks like it'll become more common in the future.
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From personal experience working under similar arrangements early in my working life I can tell you it is the absolute pits and now I think I'd rather dumpster-dive and live in a squat rather than regress back to that sort of working arrangement, I'd at least still be my own man.
It was fine for an extremely limited amount of time when I was younger and naive about the workforce, still lived with my parents and had no major financial responsibilities but I wouldn't do it now.

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sairla wrote:

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The contractors are going to drive the workers very hard I imagine, because they need to retain the contract - any personal consideration is lost in that middle ground. Another area of concern is the small businesses which have to compete against large contractors. There was a particular service in this area, owned and operated by one man who then employed several locals; after a few years the council decided to put this up for tender and this man lost the contract to a large company which charged a lower rate - and paid the workers less.
The local man lost his business and those who worked for him lost their jobs, in an area where there are already many people unemployed. I thought councils should look after the interests of local people and small business - by accepting contracts from sources outside the area they are not caring for the community they represent.

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plp wrote:

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Here in Perth, many contractors have gone bankrupt since our dear govt. decided to hand over hundreds of millions to a mafia like syndicate to run what is meant to be 100% public works, instead they created a revolting corporate monopoly.
They came up with a great idea about the economic stimulus package to keep small business alive at the time of the crisis, only to go and hand it over to this mafia corporations which in turn hand their share to their "mates", and small contractors are taken out of the picture ( capitalist vomit at its best).

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sairla wrote:

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The contractors are going to drive the workers very hard I imagine, because they need to retain the contract - any personal consideration is lost in that middle ground. Another area of concern is the small businesses which have to compete against large contractors.
There was a particular service in this area, owned and operated by one man who then employed several locals; after a few years the council decided to put this up for tender and this man lost the contract to a large company which charged a lower rate - and paid the workers less.

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The local man lost his business and those who worked for him lost their jobs, in an area where there are already many people unemployed. I thought councils should look after the interests of local people and small business - by accepting contracts from sources outside the area they are not caring for the community they represent.

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plp wrote:

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YEP! Just look at the Public housing maintenance contract (nationally), the government; to wash their hands and defer responsibility has created a sickening monopoly by giving it to a mafia like corporation to run; they are extracting billion of taxpayers dollars, considerably reducing the tradies rates and making billions just to receive the work from the department and send it to the contractor, and this mafiosi distribute the work according to their criteria regarding; race, color, political views ,etc. and the best work goes to their mates, and dare you complain, and they got the power to completely isolate you ( the government gave it to them). HA! while most governments try to eliminate MONOPOLIES and the corrupt mafia practices that come with it; ours is working hard to create them U N B E L I E V A B L E!!!!!!!.

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sairla wrote:

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I have no idea what you are referring to Beady.