Qantas Airways grounds global fleet due to strikes

Oct 29, 2011 Full story: KIMA 68

Qantas Airways grounded its global fleet Saturday, suddenly locking out striking workers after weeks of flight disruptions an executive said could close down the world's 10th largest airline piece by piece.

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#70 Nov 1, 2011
ksf wrote:
<quoted text>Remains to be seen if it was successful or not.
You seem pretty wound up about the whole affair - what's your stake in it?
Just a belief that there is a price to pay for not learning how to negotiate well,(be that of the company or the Union) when the issues affect peoples lives...The failure of both parties here but especially the arrogance and aggressive action by Qantas that escalated this beyond what is the norm or reasonable is a testament to their lack of skilfull leadership......and it's Qantas!...
cateyes

Burnley, Australia

#72 Nov 2, 2011
Ahomana wrote:
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There are a lot of companies beholding to shareholders that manage the art negotiation with a lot more tact than Joyce
apparently ....They would see a lock out as provocative and a "No going back" stance and the grounding an entire fleet as ridiculous money losing.......and lose,lose situation. So why did he take such a "burn your bridges stance" for an issue that should "with his salary) have been a walk in the park.....arrogance maybe?...ignorance..no!..ego.. .definately possible?...
I do agree with you re that someone who is considered to be so qualified and is holding such a high position in a company, should be expected to be well versed in non-confrontational methods of conflict resolution - conciliation, arbitration, open communication, are all skills deemed essential to such a position - as you suggest, this should not have been a problem for Joyce, it's actually his responsibility to the shareholders.
cateyes

Burnley, Australia

#73 Nov 2, 2011
ksf wrote:
<quoted text>You miss the point, which is that their decisions have to be made with profitability as the main (sole?) factor. You may think they have made mistakes in some of those decisions, but that doesn't alter the motivation behind them.
Yes, profitability is certainly the aim of any company, however, where this conflicts with safety factors, it cannot dominate - basic OHS principles apply here and override any other considerations - if some of the decisions made compromise safety standards, then they are not good decisions, an objective, not subjective test applies.
Go India

Delhi, India

#74 Nov 2, 2011
Go India, go.

ksf

Since: Aug 07

Perth, Australia

#75 Nov 2, 2011
cateyes wrote:
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Yes, profitability is certainly the aim of any company, however, where this conflicts with safety factors, it cannot dominate - basic OHS principles apply here and override any other considerations - if some of the decisions made compromise safety standards, then they are not good decisions, an objective, not subjective test applies.
No, safety is only a factor as it impacts on profitability (and where has Qantas risked safety?)
cateyes

Burnley, Australia

#76 Nov 2, 2011
ksf wrote:
<quoted text>No, safety is only a factor as it impacts on profitability (and where has Qantas risked safety?)
I didn't state that Quantas has risked safety - I said 'if' as it has been suggested by others that out-sourcing may reduce quality factors, and safety is a stand alone factor - a company must ensure the safety of all who may be affected by its operations - safety factors will of course affect profitability, passengers will be reluctant to travel with an airline which has been shown to compromise safety, but safety regulations are in place for safety, not for profit margins

ksf

Since: Aug 07

Perth, Australia

#77 Nov 2, 2011
cateyes wrote:
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I didn't state that Quantas has risked safety - I said 'if' as it has been suggested by others that out-sourcing may reduce quality factors, and safety is a stand alone factor - a company must ensure the safety of all who may be affected by its operations - safety factors will of course affect profitability, passengers will be reluctant to travel with an airline which has been shown to compromise safety, but safety regulations are in place for safety, not for profit margins
Certainly, and I admire your positive outlook, but corporations ultimately do not care about safety aside from its impact on the bottom line. If they did, there would be no cars with less than a five star safety rating, tobacco would not be sold, or handguns, or deep-fried Mars bars. Airlines would reduce the number of seats on each aircraft by half so we have room to be comfortable and not get DVT, and the seats would all face backwards since that is safest in the event of a crash.
Companies follow safety laws and standards for two reasons - so they are not acting illegally, and so they can boast about it as part of their marketing. In both cases, simply protecting the bottom line.
cateyes

Burnley, Australia

#79 Nov 2, 2011
ksf wrote:
<quoted text>Certainly, and I admire your positive outlook, but corporations ultimately do not care about safety aside from its impact on the bottom line. If they did, there would be no cars with less than a five star safety rating, tobacco would not be sold, or handguns, or deep-fried Mars bars. Airlines would reduce the number of seats on each aircraft by half so we have room to be comfortable and not get DVT, and the seats would all face backwards since that is safest in the event of a crash.
Companies follow safety laws and standards for two reasons - so they are not acting illegally, and so they can boast about it as part of their marketing. In both cases, simply protecting the bottom line.
That's correct, compliance often becomes a marketing strategy, and certainly if safety was not imposed, companies would show little interest unless it affected profits, however, codes of practice apply, so regardless of profit, companies must consider safety - company operations have been closed for breaches of compliance - certainly not a profitable situation.

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