South Ossetia to Join Russia

Richard wrote:

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No, I think Russians are pigs.

ellena wrote:

To Pravda:
Why do you defend Russia? Don’t you think that truth doesn’t need to be defended? It is obvious that Russia trapped herself and now Russia is so desperate to justify her actions, that makes much more mistakes?

Pravda wrote:

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you have just confirmed my point, that and you are openly a racist..
congratulations :))

Pravda wrote:

... what mistake did russia make, should they have let ossetians be just eliminated, and then abkhasians?...

Dmitri A. Medvedev, recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia:
You are no doubt well aware of the tragedy of South Ossetia. The night-time execution-style bombardment of Tskhinvali by the Georgian troops resulted in the deaths of hundreds of our civilians. Among the dead were the Russian peacekeepers, who gave their lives in fulfilling their duty to protect women, children and the elderly.
The Georgian leadership, in violation of the U.N. Charter and their obligations under international agreements and contrary to the voice of reason, unleashed an armed conflict victimizing innocent civilians. The same fate lay in store for Abkhazia. The most inhuman way was chosen to achieve the objective — annexing South Ossetia through the annihilation of a whole people.
That was not the first attempt to do this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/europ...
The Georgian leadership chose another way. Disrupting the negotiating process, ignoring the agreements achieved, committing political and military provocations, attacking the peacekeepers — all these actions grossly violated the regime established in conflict zones with the support of the United Nations and O.S.C.E [Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe].
Russia continually displayed calm and patience. We repeatedly called for returning to the negotiating table and did not deviate from this position of ours even after the unilateral proclamation of Kosovo’s independence. However our persistent proposals to the Georgian side to conclude agreements with Abkhazia and South Ossetia on the non-use of force remained unanswered. Regrettably, they were ignored also by NATO and even at the United Nations.
It stands quite clear now: a peaceful resolution of the conflict was not part of Tbilisi’s plan. The Georgian leadership was methodically preparing for war, while the political and material support provided by their foreign guardians only served to reinforce the perception of their own impunity.
Tbilisi made its choice during the night of Aug. 8, 2008. Saakashvili opted for genocide to accomplish his political objectives. By doing so he himself dashed all the hopes for the peaceful coexistence of Ossetians, Abkhazians and Georgians in a single state. The peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia have several times spoken out at referendums in favor of independence for their republics. It is our understanding that after what has happened in Tskhinvali and what has been planned for Abkhazia they have the right to decide their destiny by themselves.
The Presidents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, based on the results of the referendums conducted and on the decisions taken by the Parliaments of the two republics, appealed to Russia to recognize the state sovereignty of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The Federation Council and the State Duma voted in support of those appeals.
A decision needs to be taken based on the situation on the ground. Considering the freely expressed will of the Ossetian and Abkhaz peoples and being guided by the provisions of the U.N. Charter, the 1970 Declaration on the Principles of International Law Governing Friendly Relations Between States, the C.S.C.E. Helsinki Final Act of 1975 and other fundamental international instruments, I signed Decrees on the recognition by the Russian Federation of South Ossetia’s and Abkhazia’s independence.
This is not an easy choice to make, but it represents the only possibility to save human lives.

Richard wrote:

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If you like Russia so well, why the hell don't you leave and go there?

Pravda wrote:

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im not gonna respond to this nonsense... typical american nationalist racist... do you tell all the black people you see to go back to africa also? Maybe you should go to georgia?

Pravda wrote:

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i dont defend anything, im for the people, and for right over wrong.. but why do people attack russia? or better yet russians? todays russia is not perfect, but no state is, especially US and you know this.. most views here are very biast, and do not show room for eye opening... what mistake did russia make, should they have let ossetians be just eliminated, and then abkhasians? they did not attack first, the conflict has been going on for years and they wished for diplomatic solutions... if russia decided to drop a bomb on sydney tomorrow believe i will be against it...

ellena wrote:

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So let me put this way than:
Caucasus - a very diverse lend has a long history of relationships among small nations. Christians, Muslims and Jews used to live side by side under the roof of Georgian Kingdom, maintaining friendly coexistence. Several centuries ago the hunger and despair forced some Ossetians to come from the north: they begged for food, clothes, roof and etc. Georgian Princes ORBELIANI, MACHABELI let them reside inside the KARTLI AND SAMACHABLO. Today you can find a lot of mixed families, and Ossetians who live in Georgia outside the SOUTH OSSETIA never experienced any kind of repressions at all ever. Even after this war they stand next to Georgians and demand Russian Troops to leave the Georgian Territory and respect the sovereignty of their country.
Stalin rename SAMACHABLO in South OSSETIA for a very simple reason: to rule and to control. HE and other Bolsheviks did same in other former Soviet Republics.
Yes, Stalin was a monster, so was Lenin.
Bolshevism was the worst thing that happened to the whole world, millions and millions of innocent people were killed everywhere in Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan and so on . People were afraid, they adopt the ideology to survive. Next generations grew without any notion of real human values. They fought WWII, they defend their country and spread the Communist ideology as far as they succeeded. They didn’t care that other people were unhappy under the Soviet BOOTS. They tried to blame Capitalism, and first of all the most advanced countries. The Soviet Union didn’t last long. But there still are those administrative creations which was implemented by Stalin and by using those tools Russia is able to rule according her own likes and dislikes. Russian peacekeepers are total farce, they were used to keep region under control, to give the Russian passports away and to occupy the Georgia again, now the second time after 1921.
So tell me please, if you are for right over wrong, don’t you want to fully investigate the truth? In 21st century we should find the common sense and keep the peace in the world.

Pravda wrote:

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ellena, i agree and disagree..
hundreds of years ago and now are two different things, it is not georgian land just because they were there first, or their empire was.
Empire? Georgians never build any empires, where did you get this information? Historians know only Roman, Greek, English and Russian Empires. Did you forget about the great Russian Empereos?

there were hundreds of empires throughout europe and the world but we are not going back to them now are we.
This world does't now hundreds of europian empires...the never existed
south osetia is south ossetian land.
Well here you make the big mistake, you just manipulate with the words to proove that you have a point.
but note many ethnic georgians lived and coexisted in peace, they have nothing against ossetians. their parents/grandparent etc.. also fought for that land. if georgia wanted to keep them and coexist there should have been a diplomatic solution, if russia just invaded out of nowhere it would be different. But they attacked to kill, not coexist. many ethnic georgians do want to coexist, it is the saakashvilles fascist crew that wanted to execute them.
Well Saakashvili is the President of his country. He was selected by people and he trys to govern the Georgia. He is far from facist.
Georgians didn't have a chanse to solve the problem diplomatically, becouse of Russias Involvement. When Saakashvili sujested to change Russian Peasekeepers buy International Police forces just two month ago, Kokoti atacted because he knew he didn't have any real ppover over ossetians in the region to prove his demands and attac georgian vilages.
as far as for stalin i totally agree with you, bravo. and communism and bolsheviks, etc...
however, i do not agre that people, a generation later, adopted the ideolohy, and fought ww2 to spread communism..
I didn't say they fought to spred comunism. Read carefully please, I sad they defend thir country and spred comunis as far as they succeeded.
"adopted" is not the word. people were oppressed, they knew it but couldnt do much, as you said millions were arrested, killed, etc... maybe many people "accepted" the fact that they were oppressed as they couldnt do much, but many hated and were against communism, and fought ww2 for the people, their land, their families.

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RayOne wrote:

The New Soviet Union is on a land grab mission to control petroleum resources and delivery.
Europe has a dog in this fight, they are being cowed like the Soviet satellites.

from Athens Greece EU wrote:

<quoted text>This is because the chaos and destruction of Russia started from USA and from some of your neighbouring countries!
Russia just defend itself!

ellena wrote:

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So let me put this way than:
Caucasus - a very diverse lend has a long history of relationships among small nations. Christians, Muslims and Jews used to live side by side under the roof of Georgian Kingdom, maintaining friendly coexistence. Several centuries ago the hunger and despair forced some Ossetians to come from the north: they begged for food, clothes, roof and etc. Georgian Princes ORBELIANI, MACHABELI let them reside inside the KARTLI AND SAMACHABLO. Today you can find a lot of mixed families, and Ossetians who live in Georgia outside the SOUTH OSSETIA never experienced any kind of repressions at all ever. Even after this war they stand next to Georgians and demand Russian Troops to leave the Georgian Territory and respect the sovereignty of their country.
Stalin rename SAMACHABLO in South OSSETIA for a very simple reason: to rule and to control. HE and other Bolsheviks did same in other former Soviet Republics.
Yes, Stalin was a monster, so was Lenin.
Bolshevism was the worst thing that happened to the whole world, millions and millions of innocent people were killed everywhere in Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan and so on . People were afraid, they adopt the ideology to survive. Next generations grew without any notion of real human values. They fought WWII, they defend their country and spread the Communist ideology as far as they succeeded. They didn’t care that other people were unhappy under the Soviet BOOTS. They tried to blame Capitalism, and first of all the most advanced countries. The Soviet Union didn’t last long. But there still are those administrative creations which was implemented by Stalin and by using those tools Russia is able to rule according her own likes and dislikes. Russian peacekeepers are total farce, they were used to keep region under control, to give the Russian passports away and to occupy the Georgia again, now the second time after 1921.
So tell me please, if you are for right over wrong, don’t you want to fully investigate the truth? In 21st century we should find the common sense and keep the peace in the world.

Pravda wrote:

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ellena, i agree and disagree..
hundreds of years ago and now are two different things, it is not georgian land just because they were there first, or their empire was. there were hundreds of empires throughout europe and the world but we are not going back to them now are we. south osetia is south ossetian land. but note many ethnic georgians lived and coexisted in peace, they have nothing against ossetians. their parents/grandparent etc.. also fought for that land. if georgia wanted to keep them and coexist there should have been a diplomatic solution, if russia just invaded out of nowhere it would be different. But they attacked to kill, not coexist. many ethnic georgians do want to coexist, it is the saakashvilles fascist crew that wanted to execute them.
as far as for stalin i totally agree with you, bravo. and communism and bolsheviks, etc...
however, i do not agre that people, a generation later, adopted the ideolohy, and fought ww2 to spread communism.. "adopted" is not the word. people were oppressed, they knew it but couldnt do much, as you said millions were arrested, killed, etc... maybe many people "accepted" the fact that they were oppressed as they couldnt do much, but many hated and were against communism, and fought ww2 for the people, their land, their families.

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ellena wrote:

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PRAVDA is a TRUTH, and PRAVDA WAS #1 Soviet Newspaper. What is your point to use this word if you don't investigate the real facts corectly?