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Apr 7, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger

Libya Faces a Health Check

Full story: Inter Press Service

Kaltoum Alhadi bound for Italy for corrective surgery stands before a list of approved patients.

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Mohamed Khalil

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Apr 7, 2012
 
Shameful, sending Libyan abroad for basic medical treatment – you have all the resources you need to singe short term contact with European and regional doctors, update medical facilities in Libya for them so they can do their work and train Libyan doctors. This is more cost effective, NTC is creating big miss

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Apr 8, 2012
 
Mohamed Khalil wrote:
Shameful, sending Libyan abroad for basic medical treatment – you have all the resources you need to singe short term contact with European and regional doctors, update medical facilities in Libya for them so they can do their work and train Libyan doctors. This is more cost effective, NTC is creating big miss
They say themselves that it is not a good solution but have no choice until there health system is up and running properly. Actually this was standard practise already under Gaddhafi for many treatments. Gaddhafi's state healthcare system may have been free but it certainly was not state of the art.
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Apr 8, 2012
 
Mohamed Khalil wrote:
Shameful, sending Libyan abroad for basic medical treatment – you have all the resources you need to singe short term contact with European and regional doctors, update medical facilities in Libya for them so they can do their work and train Libyan doctors. This is more cost effective, NTC is creating big miss
Can´t you see this is nothing else than one of the many ways how to suck money out of Libyan formerly frozen assets? In Jordan, as an example, private hospitals charge Libyan patiences plus their families 2 mio USD a day..."but patients sent to the Kingdom accounted for only 6 per cent of the Libyan government’s total costs."

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Apr 8, 2012
 
kiwi wrote:
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Can´t you see this is nothing else than one of the many ways how to suck money out of Libyan formerly frozen assets? In Jordan, as an example, private hospitals charge Libyan patiences plus their families 2 mio USD a day..."but patients sent to the Kingdom accounted for only 6 per cent of the Libyan government’s total costs."
This whole comment just doesn't seem to make any sense.

What are you trying to imply with "private hospitals (in Jordan) charge Libyan patiences plus their families 2 mio USD a day..."?

Do you mean, one Libyan patient plus his family cost 2 mio. a day? Or all Libyan patients being treated in Jordan plus their families cost altogether 2 mio. a day?

If you mean the former I say BS. You'd get first class private treatment in one of the best private clinics in the US for a fraction of that. If you mean the latter then that sounds reasonable but only if not much less than 6 percent of the total Libyan cases are being treated in Jordan.

BTW the report does not criticise all this. What does come to light though is that many Libyan patients have managed to get treatment abroad for such things as plastic surgery instead of much needier Libyans such as war casualties for which the Libyan government had started the program.
Mohamed Khalil

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Apr 8, 2012
 
Ditto Dog wrote:
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They say themselves that it is not a good solution but have no choice until there health system is up and running properly. Actually this was standard practise already under Gaddhafi for many treatments. Gaddhafi's state healthcare system may have been free but it certainly was not state of the art.
That why we need to change our approach to these basic social issue as health care, it will cost less and will have good foundation for health system to start by spend the money to contact health care professions bring them to Libya for short term contract, update the current facilities till you build more
Libya has more educated professional than Jordon or Tunisia, we definitely have the recourse
Do not send Libyan outside bring the modern medicine to them – Gadfly destroyed health system and Libyan society now we are free let change the way we think

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Apr 8, 2012
 
Mohamed Khalil wrote:
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That why we need to change our approach to these basic social issue as health care, it will cost less and will have good foundation for health system to start by spend the money to contact health care professions bring them to Libya for short term contract, update the current facilities till you build more
Libya has more educated professional than Jordon or Tunisia, we definitely have the recourse
Do not send Libyan outside bring the modern medicine to them – Gadfly destroyed health system and Libyan society now we are free let change the way we think
I think this will eventually happen. And you're absolutely right, Libya has more qualified doctors than places like Jordan. Also it is important that Libya keeps money for healthcare within it's borders. This way it can pay its medical staff better and get a better service from it. Sending patients abroad for treatment is short sighted in the long run.
CamelFromEuropa

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Apr 8, 2012
 
Your discussion is ridiculous Libya no longer exists. Only in theory.
You do not have money, you do not have the resources. France, England have your resources.
Libya was completely destroyed, there is no law, nothing works except the armed gangs of criminals.
What are you here talking about?!
After all, this is a joke. Discussion of the treatment system in the country which no longer exists hahahaha.
You are so silly you do not know the history you do not know how it works. We had to go to school and learn. Libyans are extremely suckers.

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Apr 8, 2012
 
CamelFromEuropa wrote:
Your discussion is ridiculous Libya no longer exists. Only in theory.
You do not have money, you do not have the resources. France, England have your resources.
Libya was completely destroyed, there is no law, nothing works except the armed gangs of criminals.
What are you here talking about?!
After all, this is a joke. Discussion of the treatment system in the country which no longer exists hahahaha.
You are so silly you do not know the history you do not know how it works. We had to go to school and learn. Libyans are extremely suckers.
I've just checked on Google maps to make sure. And yes, Libya is still there in all its glory. I think you should go to your old school and ask for your money back. They evidently did a very bad job on you.
CamelFromEuropa

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Apr 8, 2012
 
You can fool yourself.
I know future about the area where it was Libya.
It always looks the same.
Your country no longer exists.
Time will show you.
Bear with it.
GAME OVER
That is the truth, and nothing that you can do.
Empire always wins.
Observer

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Apr 9, 2012
 
Ditto Dog wrote:
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I've just checked on Google maps to make sure. And yes, Libya is still there in all its glory. I think you should go to your old school and ask for your money back. They evidently did a very bad job on you.
Camel talking, what would you expect from it: nmkauy jayvlp xnwey ,thh shit..knmrhj.
Da truth

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Apr 9, 2012
 
Ditto Dog wrote:
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They say themselves that it is not a good solution but have no choice until there health system is up and running properly. Actually this was standard practise already under Gaddhafi for many treatments. Gaddhafi's state healthcare system may have been free but it certainly was not state of the art.
Key word FREE. He did his best
Da truth

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Apr 9, 2012
 
"I don’t know why people go away for medical treatment. People don’t trust Libya, but we have done a lot of procedures correcting mistakes from Tunisian hospitals." (END)
kiwi

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Apr 10, 2012
 
Da truth wrote:
"I don’t know why people go away for medical treatment. People don’t trust Libya, but we have done a lot of procedures correcting mistakes from Tunisian hospitals." (END)
As I already wrote, overpriced medical treatment, including accommodation costs for family members, is only one of the ways how to suck money out of Libya. Wounded rebels were originally welcomed to Jordan by private clinics as it was clear the money would be available from frozen funds. It turned out to medical tourism, including plastic surgeries for free.
Speaking about the money. Al-Harizi announced stop of rebel rewards payment.( http://www.afriquejet.com/corruption-libya-20... ) The reason is too high level of corruption causing: "Central Bank of Libya is on the verge of bankruptcy".
How could be The Central bank is such deep trouble when in September 2011 the bank’s new governor Gassem Azzoz stated “No assets of the Libyan Central Bank have been stolen, gold or otherwise". I have to only note I am writing about 144 tons of gold worth over 10 bio USD.( http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/blog/libyan-go... ) The only questionable gold are roughly 29 tons witnessed to be transported by trucks and sold to cover salaries. It is uclear if Gaddafi or rebels sold these 29 tons (over 1.7 bio USD) but still there were 115 tons remaining in 2011 fall. We have April and ...verge of bankrupcy. I have to ask: " Where is the money?".
Could it be in Venezuela?( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/battle-libya-al... )

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kiwi wrote:
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As I already wrote, overpriced medical treatment, including accommodation costs for family members, is only one of the ways how to suck money out of Libya. Wounded rebels were originally welcomed to Jordan by private clinics as it was clear the money would be available from frozen funds. It turned out to medical tourism, including plastic surgeries for free.
Speaking about the money. Al-Harizi announced stop of rebel rewards payment.( http://www.afriquejet.com/corruption-libya-20... ) The reason is too high level of corruption causing: "Central Bank of Libya is on the verge of bankruptcy".
How could be The Central bank is such deep trouble when in September 2011 the bank’s new governor Gassem Azzoz stated “No assets of the Libyan Central Bank have been stolen, gold or otherwise". I have to only note I am writing about 144 tons of gold worth over 10 bio USD.( http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/blog/libyan-go... ) The only questionable gold are roughly 29 tons witnessed to be transported by trucks and sold to cover salaries. It is uclear if Gaddafi or rebels sold these 29 tons (over 1.7 bio USD) but still there were 115 tons remaining in 2011 fall. We have April and ...verge of bankrupcy. I have to ask: " Where is the money?".
Could it be in Venezuela?( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/battle-libya-al... )
Missing money and other assets in huge amounts during and after conflicts is not just a Libyan phenomenon. It happened in Germany and Italy at the end of WW2. It happened in Kuwait after Iraqi forces withdrew. And it happened in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

I'm sure there are still huge secret foreign assets of Gaddhafi's regime to be found. Some people will know where they are and even have access to them. But they will not be living comfortably.

After WW2 France for instance set up a special department of goons to track down lost assets of the Wehrmacht. England and other countries certainly did the same. Gold, dollars, perfectly counterfeited pounds sterling, precious art and more had been stashed away across former German occupied Europe as the Wehrmacht made their retreat often head over heels.

Although these assets and their hiding places must have been in great number strangely enough not one single find was ever officially reported. What we are witnessing with missing Libyan assets will be the same.
scout

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Apr 10, 2012
 
translation: Western neo-Marxists make another move to force Libyans to depend upon international Marxism.

It's the ideology, not about anything else, like health, whatever. First, get the weak minded to accept, then everything slowly falls into place.
kiwi

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Apr 10, 2012
 
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Missing money and other assets in huge amounts during and after conflicts is not just a Libyan phenomenon. It happened in Germany and Italy at the end of WW2. It happened in Kuwait after Iraqi forces withdrew. And it happened in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
I'm sure there are still huge secret foreign assets of Gaddhafi's regime to be found. Some people will know where they are and even have access to them. But they will not be living comfortably.
After WW2 France for instance set up a special department of goons to track down lost assets of the Wehrmacht. England and other countries certainly did the same. Gold, dollars, perfectly counterfeited pounds sterling, precious art and more had been stashed away across former German occupied Europe as the Wehrmacht made their retreat often head over heels.
Although these assets and their hiding places must have been in great number strangely enough not one single find was ever officially reported. What we are witnessing with missing Libyan assets will be the same.
My comment was not about missing assets. It was about an almost bancrupt National Bank, managed by rebels, however only 8 months ago there were 10 bio USD worth gold reserves kept in Tripoli vaults.
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Apr 10, 2012
 
LOL

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Apr 12, 2012
 
kiwi wrote:
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My comment was not about missing assets. It was about an almost bancrupt National Bank, managed by rebels, however only 8 months ago there were 10 bio USD worth gold reserves kept in Tripoli vaults.
Sorry, but you did ask where all the money is. And even now in your above post you are still talking about missing Libyan assets in the form of 10 bill. USD worth of Libyan gold. I just wanted to try and answer your question at least in part. That gold has probably been dumped like the Nazi assets towards the end of WW2. My opinion is that someone knows where is all is and is just waiting for a good time to retrieve it.

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