Iraq's Nouri Maliki breaking free of U.S.

Mr_Bill wrote:

Now, 4000 US servicemen deaths, and almost a Trilion dollars down the IRAQ rathole, we are where we should have ben in mid May, 2003.
After starting a phony, criminal war; the Bush-McCainites have kept it going for an extra 5.5 years. WHY?

David wrote:

Let Maliki have it, time for us to go. Haven't we done all we can do there. Thousands of lives lost, a trillion dollars spent, and, probably when its all said and done, Iraq will still be in a mess and the people there will hate us. Has it been worth it?

Mr_Bill wrote:

Now, 4000 US servicemen deaths, and almost a Trilion dollars down the IRAQ rathole, we are where we should have ben in mid May, 2003.
After starting a phony, criminal war; the Bush-McCainites have kept it going for an extra 5.5 years. WHY?

In Real Time wrote:

What I perceive going on is a trap. A long ranging terrorist trap.
It may have been planned that way from the beginning or they are just taking advantage of the situation.
Things purposely calm down in Iraq from the enemy's standpoint so that they can regroup and rearm.
We hand things over to the Iraqis and then start moving to Afghanistan.
Maliki then starts moving away from and distancing himself from the US.
We head over to Afghanistan in even larger numbers.
The enemy starts fighting back hard in Afghanistan.
The enemy approaches from Pakistans tribal regions.
We end up killing Pakistani soldiers since these soldiers in the remote field look and dress the same as the terrorists and seemingly peaceful nationalists.
Pakistan falls into a civil war with half of them coming after US and coalition forces on the border.
Suddenly the "insurgency" flames again in Iraq.
We are stuck in between the three and they move in for the kill, supply lines cut from Pakistan and Iraq.
I think that is the way these people laid the trap and the way they will play it out following it back to 911 as the reason to get us in the mid east.
I don't think General Petraeus should be in charge of 3 war fronts.
I think it is overdue to get 3 generals running 3 war fronts because this is going to be getting really nasty.
It is to late for "right" or "wrong" as most people concentrate on that as that diversion is put to the people 24/7. The issue now is that "done is done" so we are in it to win or lose.

Mr_Bill wrote:

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you are advocating a three front war against quicksand. Good luck.
Please put yourself on the front line.

In Real Time wrote:

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Proposing a chain of possible events is prognosticating and cannot be confused with advocating.
According to you an astronomer who detects a meteor on a path to hit earth and says so is one who is advocating the deaths of millions of people. Lol.
Apparently you are in denial about the distraction of whether or not this war(s) is or are right or wrong.
My point is that it is wrong but after 6 or 7 years these issues still cloud the fact that we ARE AT WAR THAT COULD POSSIBLY DESTROY US and we need to win it or lose it.
Instead of thinking about if it is right or wrong since these matters are long settled in both public and private, look at what will happen if we suddenly back out of this right or wrong war?
The history and or the courts can chime in on right or wrong later but right now it is win or lose.
Right or wrong I say win it.
These things are not to be confused with advocating because I have only selected the lesser of two evils which in itself is an act personal evil on my part, winning a wrong war or pulling out of a wrong war knowing the disastrous consequences that will entail such actions which would be the same disastrous consequences of pulling out if it were a right war.
The end result is the same but most people can't see that far.
That is why right or wrong is constantly fed to the people, a diversion they hash into the ground everyday.
This creating of divisions is necessary for those about the wrong business because if Americans did not have this diversion they would get together on a win it or pull out policy.
That leaves them to be about their business without our interference because they live and think in the present and we are all socially conditioned to live and think in the past which is why all you see is right or wrong conversation instead of cohesion on one or the other.