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HEY, NTR, this one's for you.

You constantly refer to eliminating corporate welfare? Well, maybe we can start with this type of corporate welfare:

According to Cato, the most spending on “corporate welfare” programs in the federal budget -- more than $25 billion -- went to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

A majority of the department’s farm subsidies go to the largest farms, the report noted.

The Department of Energy is responsible for nearly $18 billion in corporate welfare in FY 2012.

Other programs to make the list: the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)’s Community Development Block Grant program ($285 million); the Commerce Department’s Broadband Technology Opportunities Program ($2.2 billion); attempts by Transportation Department policymakers to develop a high-speed rail network ($1.2 billion) and the Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management ($1.4 billion) land-use programs.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townhallcomstaff...

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Emails show Obama administration involvement in killing non-union auto pensions

Matthew Boyle of the Daily Caller reports that internal emails show Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was “the driving force” behind terminating the pensions of 20,000 non-union retirees from the Delphi auto parts manufacturing company, as part of the government’s bailout plan for General Motors. Union workers, on the other hand,“saw their pensions topped off and made whole.”

This decision was supposed to be made by the independent Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which is meant to be free of political influence, so it can represent the interests of private-sector pensioners.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/07/emails-...

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Cricket 23 wrote:
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The Tax Policy Center at Brookings as reported on CNN, CBS, Salon, The Atlantic Monthly, The New Yorker, The Washington Post, ABC News, Bloomberg, Fact Checker, Talking Points, MSNBC, Slate, Boston Globe, etc. Google it yourself, or slow down long enough to actually read what has been posted already.
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Romney's true personality and colors deserve to be told to all ... pass on as you are comfortable ...
The real Romney
Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD, and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York, and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter. Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could – prostitutes, drug addicts – anyone.
That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey, where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day. Romney’s former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter’s life, saying,“It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die.”
LOL ... revealing yourself as a complete fool! NYPD investigation establishes the story to be highly exaggerated if not entirely bogus! Melissa Gay’s disappearance turned out to be the act of a runaway girl and her live was never in any danger. The investigation found that she was actually on her way home when NYPD located her.

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HEY, NTR, this one's for you.
You constantly refer to eliminating corporate welfare? Well, maybe we can start with this type of corporate welfare:
According to Cato, the most spending on “corporate welfare” programs in the federal budget -- more than $25 billion -- went to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
A majority of the department’s farm subsidies go to the largest farms, the report noted.
The Department of Energy is responsible for nearly $18 billion in corporate welfare in FY 2012.
Other programs to make the list: the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)’s Community Development Block Grant program ($285 million); the Commerce Department’s Broadband Technology Opportunities Program ($2.2 billion); attempts by Transportation Department policymakers to develop a high-speed rail network ($1.2 billion) and the Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management ($1.4 billion) land-use programs.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townhallcomstaff...
Yep. Fine with me. The most unintelligent life on planet earth has been hired to work for the USDA. I once spent a full work week being shuffled from disembodied voice to another disembodied voice to another part of the office to another offsight location to a cornfield in Iowa to a cubicle in D.C. trying to get some reports "available" by "contacting" the USDA. They suck. Maybe the high speed rail network ship has sailed (at least for now), and roads and bridges should be the focus. I don't think we should be providing welfare to corporate farmers. After all, we did nothing to help save the family farm.(Thank you pot smoking Willie Nelson for trying, anyway).
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fishaholic wrote:
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You are a true blue idiot. Have you ever thought that 'earnings' is NOT just from a salary? Earnings would include dividends, capital gains as well as salary. All 3 of those are taxed at different rates. The combination may have been 14% depending on how much he earned from each source. You mention AVERAGE effectice rate paid by 1% is 18.5. Well, when you AVERAGE something, that means some pay more and some pay less and that's how you get an average of 18.5% Crawl back in your hole and try to get some basic understanding how the tax system works. Why not go out and become wealthy instead of whine like a little girl about it.
You figure that out all by yourself :-/ How does it change the fact that The Mitten pays half the tax rate then the rest of us?

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Tell that to NTR. She's parroting her liberal/progressive web sources that this needs to happen so we can get a handle on the deficit/debt. The wealthy will get us back on track. Problem is, all that tax money will never be singly designated to pay down ANYTHING. It will be spent on more wasteful gummint projects and the debt/deficit will continue unabated.
It needs to happen because we need revenues, and cuts are not enough. If you want LESS class warfare, everybody must share the pain including the wealthy. Since they have realized the greatest gain for more than thirty-five years, they need to go first, prior to cuts taking place for the poor and eventual tax increases on the middle-class. Try not to mischaracterize what I say.

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps you are confused with Private Sector jobs vs Government Sector jobs?
An easy mistake that most libbies make.
One supports capitalism and the other supports socialism.
Perhaps you are just confused. Period.
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Yep. Fine with me. The most unintelligent life on planet earth has been hired to work for the USDA. I once spent a full work week being shuffled from disembodied voice to another disembodied voice to another part of the office to another offsight location to a cornfield in Iowa to a cubicle in D.C. trying to get some reports "available" by "contacting" the USDA. They suck. Maybe the high speed rail network ship has sailed (at least for now), and roads and bridges should be the focus. I don't think we should be providing welfare to corporate farmers. After all, we did nothing to help save the family farm.(Thank you pot smoking Willie Nelson for trying, anyway).
funny, yes? you support Govt with stories about how inept Govt agencies are!
yes, funny... do u do every thing in a circle?
Come On Nov.

“America is on life support.”

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps you are just confused. Period.
Why, yes I am! I don't understand why you libbies are afraid of personal responsibility.
Why you think equal percentages equates to "fair share" when , talking percentages, 46% of Americans pay no taxes and yet receive "refunds" and that is "fair". When someone pays millions in tax revenue equates to someone paying thousands or none at all.

So, yea, there is some confusion.

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funny, yes? you support Govt with stories about how inept Govt agencies are!
yes, funny... do u do every thing in a circle?
Come On Nov.
I agree, she seems to....

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Why, yes I am! I don't understand why you libbies are afraid of personal responsibility.
Why you think equal percentages equates to "fair share" when , talking percentages, 46% of Americans pay no taxes and yet receive "refunds" and that is "fair". When someone pays millions in tax revenue equates to someone paying thousands or none at all.
So, yea, there is some confusion.
40some% pay nothing and Romney paid more than 8 million over the last 2 years. Yea, that's fair.
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You figure that out all by yourself :-/ How does it change the fact that The Mitten pays half the tax rate then the rest of us?
He isn't being taxed on the same income as you that's why. Every source of income has a different tax rate and Mitt's income is from investments NOT from labor. He is taxed for the type of income he receives and you are taxed on the income you make at your job, they are different types of income and therefore taxed at a different rate. I really don't see how this can be any easier to understand and I'm totally stumpped at how it can be that so many progressives just can't understand.
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fishaholic wrote:
Emails show Obama administration involvement in killing non-union auto pensions
Matthew Boyle of the Daily Caller reports that internal emails show Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was “the driving force” behind terminating the pensions of 20,000 non-union retirees from the Delphi auto parts manufacturing company, as part of the government’s bailout plan for General Motors. Union workers, on the other hand,“saw their pensions topped off and made whole.”
This decision was supposed to be made by the independent Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which is meant to be free of political influence, so it can represent the interests of private-sector pensioners.
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/07/emails-...
Wait a minute, shouldn't that make you f-ing morons happy? Here you wingnuz are blasting unions to your hearts content and when Obama does something about them you complain - what is it with you imbeciles?

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higgans wrote:
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funny, yes? you support Govt with stories about how inept Govt agencies are!
yes, funny... do u do every thing in a circle?
Come On Nov.
Do you know what a fiscal conservative is? Do you understand polarity in wealth and inequality of income? Do you think there is no basis for rejecting a cut in taxes (at historic lows already) for the wealthiest at at time when programs across the board that apply to our social welfare safety net are on the chopping block? You may agree with increasing Defense spending at this time, but I do not, especially when we already spend 6X as much as our greatest concern: China. I'm not in favor of overturning The Affordable Care Act unless there is something better and ready to roll with which to replace it.(No. It won't affect me either way, because by the time it goes into effect, I will be eligible for Medicare.) I'm in the doughnut hole of the program. I support the carrot and stick approach to outsourcing and reduced taxes for corporations. I don't approve of overturning regulations that would prevent another financial crisis by financial institutions who are rolling the dice with our economic security.

These are some of the reasons why I don't think another change to new leadership is wise at this time.

This is not a circle. This is a cumulative totaling of facts, weighing the choices, and reaching my own conclusion about which candidate is the better option of the two we will have. I just disagree with you that Romney offers a better program or is a better man for the job.

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higgans wrote:
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funny, yes? you support Govt with stories about how inept Govt agencies are!
yes, funny... do u do every thing in a circle?
Come On Nov.
No, silly. You're confused because I'm supporting Barack Obama for re-election. That's as far as you seem to be able to think.
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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Why, yes I am! I don't understand why you libbies are afraid of personal responsibility.
Why you think equal percentages equates to "fair share" when , talking percentages, 46% of Americans pay no taxes and yet receive "refunds" and that is "fair". When someone pays millions in tax revenue equates to someone paying thousands or none at all.
So, yea, there is some confusion.
Except it's not true, it is just another of the insane rightwing talking points based in gossip, half-truth, hearsay and innuendo ... you can only receive a tax refund if actually paid taxes the only exception are the Earned Income Credit and the Child Tax credit.

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Jack from Bedias wrote:
<quoted text>40some% pay nothing and Romney paid more than 8 million over the last 2 years. Yea, that's fair.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2...

Who pays no federal income taxes? I think I have the picture you're looking for. This piechart shows the households paying no FIT, with all inset numbers in thousands of dollars (i.e.: 20-30 means $20,000 to $30,000). The big takeaway is that more than half of the folks who pay no federal income tax make less than $20,000 a year. It is also true that 7,000 millionaires paid no federal income tax last year (more on that factoid here).

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Do the 47 percent still pay taxes? Most of them do. About one seventh of the country pays no payroll taxes or federal income taxes, because of deductions and working benefits. But when you zoom out to 30,000 feet, you see that even the poorest 20 percent of taxpayers fork over about 1/20th of their income to the IRS through all federal taxes, including payroll, income, and excise. The next 20 percent hands over about 1/8th. With each quintile, the effective tax rate increases.

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps you are confused with Private Sector jobs vs Government Sector jobs?
An easy mistake that most libbies make.
One supports capitalism and the other supports socialism.
Romney in the Rose Garden
August 04, 2012

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnis...

Asked on a conference call whether the Romney campaign would offer up any more details on how they believe their plan would work (in contrast to the devastating analysis by the bi-partisan Tax Policy Center .pdf), policy adviser Jonathan Burks demurred, saying it would be up to Congress to help fill in the blanks.

Maybe it has something to do with those 12 million new jobs Romney is promising? Yet according to Moody's Analytics (via the WaPo), "the economy is already set to add 12 million jobs in the next four years, provided a series of policy outcomes take place, such as a long term deficit deal that includes tax hikes on the rich and cuts to entitlements."

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Come on, you obsequious, butt kissing wingnuz toady, no one in their right mind has ever suggested that taxing the wealthy will eliminate the deficit - how freaking absurd!
Then please explain why you feel the need to tax the wealthy more than they are already taxed?

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