UN Chief's Visit Puts Macedonia 'Name' Dispute in Frame

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Ban Ki-moon's visit this month is stirring speculation about new initiatives in the dispute over Macedonia's name - though few expect the fact-finding trip to result in a breakthrough.

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MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Athens, Greece

#1 Jul 18, 2012
New name for FyroMonkeydonia?
That be great!
The Lie Detector

Malvern, Australia

#2 Jul 18, 2012
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE wrote:
New name for FyroMonkeydonia?
That be great!
how about the land of MEN THAT MAKE GREEKS hide...
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Athens, Greece

#3 Jul 18, 2012
The Lie Detector wrote:
<quoted text>how about the land of MEN THAT MAKE GREEKS hide...
http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php...
Yes some people in Fyrom,still are in reality.....
HELLARSE-ETHIOPI AN-MALAKA

Sydney, Australia

#4 Jul 18, 2012
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UN Chief's Visit Puts Macedonia 'Name' Dispute in Frame

Ban Ki-moon's visit this month is stirring speculation about new initiatives in the dispute over Macedonia's name - though few expect the fact-finding trip to result in a breakthrough.

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mr large

Mansfield, MA

#5 Jul 18, 2012
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UN Chief's Visit Puts Macedonia 'Name' Dispute in Frame
Ban Ki-moon's visit this month is stirring speculation about new initiatives in the dispute over Macedonia's name - though few expect the fact-finding trip to result in a breakthrough.
====LONG LIVE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA;AS AA GLORY;;;
i know you fyroms are stupid but why post this? this sounds like the un,nato and the eu still expect you goatfuckers to bend. did you read the article, ljubcho and branko say you are falsifiers of history. what could that possibly mean?
HELLARSE-ETHIOPI AN-MALAKA

Sydney, Australia

#6 Jul 18, 2012
Alexander III the Great, the King of Macedonia and conqueror of the Persian Empire is considered one of the greatest military geniuses of all times. He was inspiration for later conquerors such as Hannibal the Carthaginian, the Romans Pompey and Caesar, and Napoleon. Alexander was born in 356 BC in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedonia. He was son of Philip II, King of Macedonia, and Olympias, the princess of neighboring Epirus. He spent his childhood watching his father transforming Macedonia into a great military power, winning victory after victor===

=====HELLARSE DUM PEOPLE;;MACEDONIA BELONG TO MACEDONIANS;;;;STOP YOU CRAZY PROPAGANDA;;
HELLARSE-ETHIOPI AN-MALAKA

Sydney, Australia

#7 Jul 18, 2012
[="mr large;Hellarse malakes;"]<quoted text>
i know you roms are stupid but why post this? this sounds like the un,nato and the eu still expect you goatfuckers to bend. did you read the article, ljubcho and branko say you are falsifiers of history. what could that possibly mean?[/''====read below';malakes;;;;;;who is falsifier;;lol;;;;;Macedonian kingdom; belong to MACEDONIANS;;;HELLARSE;BUT OUT;;;AFRICAN SHIT;;APES;==

=====MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS;;;REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA IS PART OF MACEDONIAN KINDOM;;;;OF MACEDONIAN GLORY;;;;;==========Alexander III the Great, the King of Macedonia and conqueror of the Persian Empire is considered one of the greatest military geniuses of all times. He was inspiration for later conquerors such as Hannibal the Carthaginian, the Romans Pompey and Caesar, and Napoleon. Alexander was born in 356 BC in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedonia. He was son of Philip II, King of Macedonia, and Olympias, the princess of neighboring Epirus. He spent his childhood watching his father transforming Macedonia into a great military power, winning victory after victor===

=====HELLARSE DUM PEOPLE;;MACEDONIA BELONG TO MACEDONIANS;;;;STOP YOU CRAZY PROPAGANDA;;
Xenofon

Kitchener, Canada

#8 Jul 18, 2012
HELLARSE-ETHIOPIAN-MALAKA wrote:
Alexander III the Great, the King of Macedonia and conqueror of the Persian Empire is considered one of the greatest military geniuses of all times. He was inspiration for later conquerors such as Hannibal the Carthaginian, the Romans Pompey and Caesar, and Napoleon. Alexander was born in 356 BC in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedonia. He was son of Philip II, King of Macedonia, and Olympias, the princess of neighboring Epirus. He spent his childhood watching his father transforming Macedonia into a great military power, winning victory after victor===
=====HELLARSE DUM PEOPLE;;MACEDONIA BELONG TO MACEDONIANS;;;;STOP YOU CRAZY PROPAGANDA;;
You're right, Megas Alexandros was the greatest military genius of all time. Unfortunately you box headed retards fail to realize your Greek idol wasn't a f@cking SLAV! You settlers are newcomers to the area. When Megas Alexandros was uniting the Greek city states and going to war against the Persians your race of people were slowly breaking away from Mongolia and knuckle dragging your way to Europe. Please I beg you..........Show me just one ancient slavic script from BCE.

Makedonia was born Greek!
VladoMK

Skopje, Macedonia

#9 Jul 18, 2012
Maybe: UN Chief's Visit Puts Macedonia 'Name' "Dispute" in ICJ - International Court of Justice Frames?
Makedonec

Australia

#10 Jul 18, 2012
Is that why he conquered his own land and people cause he was Greek?, retard!
mr large

Mansfield, MA

#11 Jul 18, 2012
VladoMK wrote:
Maybe: UN Chief's Visit Puts Macedonia 'Name' "Dispute" in ICJ - International Court of Justice Frames?
more fantasy, where in any report did he mention icj? he said you monkies can't be macedonia
mr large

Mansfield, MA

#12 Jul 18, 2012
Makedonec wrote:
Is that why he conquered his own land and people cause he was Greek?, retard!
how about sparta and athens, the greeks were always fighting. don't worry soon you won't have to worry about these issues, you will be bulgarian
CANADEZOS

Scarborough, Canada

#13 Jul 18, 2012
Makedonec wrote:
Is that why he conquered his own land and people cause he was Greek?, retard!
ILLITERATE FKN SLAV!WHEN THE AMERICAN UNION ARMY FROM THE NORTH DEFEATED THE CONFEDERATE ARMY FROM THE SOUTH!==>>DID THAT MEAN THAT THEY WERE NOT AMERICANS!
*** ALEXANDER WAS A HELLEN ==>>NOT A FKN SLAV LIKE YOU!!
The Ovchar

Scarborough, Canada

#14 Jul 18, 2012
Did Aleksandar not burn Thebes to the ground?
Hmmmm...who the hell is this Megas guy you speak of? He burnt down your cities...how is that for a unifying force? and how does that make him Greek?
Xenofon wrote:
<quoted text> You're right, Megas Alexandros was the greatest military genius of all time. Unfortunately you box headed retards fail to realize your Greek idol wasn't a f@cking SLAV! You settlers are newcomers to the area. When Megas Alexandros was uniting the Greek city states and going to war against the Persians your race of people were slowly breaking away from Mongolia and knuckle dragging your way to Europe. Please I beg you..........Show me just one ancient slavic script from BCE.
Makedonia was born Greek!

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#15 Jul 18, 2012
All Greeks are imposters in denial of their real heritage!!

Well let’s see who is Greek?

Let’s see what make you a Greek as stated by a priest.

GREEK IDENTITY - WHAT IS GREEK


To be Greek threes only one requirement baptism by a Greek priest in a Greek church.

Meaning of the word "GREEK" - Greek constitution 1827
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

THE ALBANIAN CULTURE OF MODERN GREECE! IS THERE ANYTHING HELLENIC ABOUT THE MODERN GREEKS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Greece First President Albanian

First Hellenic Republic (1828-1833)

First Hellenic Republic Governorate

***Excluding Greece’s First President George Konduriottes (1828-1833)***

not noted in any moden text because of Greek political sensitivity about his Albainian

identity as noted by George Finlay, in his book History of the Greek Revolution

Published by W. Blackwood and sons in 1861.

Georgios Kountouriotis (1782 - 1858) was a Greek politician who served as prime minister from March to October 1848. He was born in 1782 on the Saronic island of Hydra to an*** Arvanite*** family.[1] He was the brother of Lazaros Kountouriotis, who fought in the Greek War of Independence and grandfather of Pavlos Kountouriotis who fought in the First Balkan War and later served as first President of the Greek Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Kountou...
Arvanites are a population group in Greece who traditionally speak Arvanitika, a dialect of the Albanian language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

***According to Ljalja´s findings, 27 out of the 57 former Greek Prime Ministers are of Albanian descent.***
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...

The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey

The Treaty of Lausanne affected the populations as follows: almost all Greeks of Asia Minor including a small Turkish speaking Greek Orthodox population from middle Anatolia (Karamanlides), the Ionia region (e.g. Smyrna, Aivali), the Pontus region (e.g. Trapezunda, Sampsunta), Prusa (Bursa), the Bithynia region (e.g., Nicomedia (&#304;zmit), Chalcedon (Kad&#305;köy), East Thrace, and other regions were either expelled or formally denaturalized from Turkish territory, numbering up to 1.5 million people (for many authors more than 3 million). About 500,000 people were expelled from Crete, predominantly Turks, but including other Muslims, those speaking a Greek dialect intermingled with some Turkish loanwords, Muslim Roma, Pomaks, Cham Albanians, and Megleno-Romanians.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Popu...

***Why do you hate the Turks so much when half off the Greek populating was born in Turkey?***the only thing they need to become Greek was to be christened?

11 November, 2010 3:36PM AEST
Dr Maria Hill
By Richard Fidler

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2010/11/1...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#16 Jul 18, 2012
Greeks are nothing but a pack off racist and thugs when thing go wrong you blame the minorities yet its your goverment and the Greeks them self that are corrupt and destroying your country.

1. Greek Official's Corruption Case Hits Hard - NYTimes.com &#8232;&#8232;&#82 32;&#8232; www.nytimes.com/.../akis-tsochatzopouloss-cor... May 2012 – The case of the former defense minister, Akis Tsochatzopoulos, has raised emotional issues in a political culture widely seen as rife with ...
2.
3. Crisis reveals Greek society's corrupt underbelly - The Irish Times ...&#8232;&#8232;& #8232;&#8232; www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/.../1... Apr 2012 – With 60% having paid a bribe in 2011, reform advocate Costas Bakouris faces a Herculean task, writes PETER MURTAGH.
4.
5. Corruption In Greece, Italy, Portugal And Spain - Business Insider&#8232;&#8232; &#8232;&#8232; www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-greece-... Jun 2012 – BRUSSELS (AP)— An anti-corruption group warned Wednesday that close ties between business and government in many European ...
6.
OECD Slams Greece and Slovakia on Bribery in New Reports ...&#8232;&#8232;& #8232;&#8232; blogs.wsj.com/corruption.../oecd-slams-greece... Jun 2012 – Greece has failed to investigate a significant foreign bribery case, the OECD said. Slovakia, meanwhile, has ineffective laws and must "urgently ...

Illegal Muslim Immigrants Invading Greece from Turkey.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqsqny_illeg...

Misery meets Greece's migrants - 22 May 09
By aljazeeraenglish

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqvcdt_miser...

Greece's illegal immigrants represent a part of Europe's black economy, often exploited and living in extreme poverty. In Athens, the capital, many say they have no where else to go.

While Greece has been seeking help from the European Union to strengthen its borders, tensions between Greeks and immigrants remain high.

**Stop worrying about Macedonians clamming back the Aegean Macedonia back from you start worrying about the asylum seeker taking over Athens 1 million Muslims and more coming everyday**

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#17 Jul 18, 2012
Alexander may have killed at least 50,000 Greeks who where fighting on the Persian side and you clam his Greek your stupidity is beyond belief.

[1] Arrian's The Campaigns of Alexander "The cavalry action which ensued was desperate enough, and the Persians broke only when they knew that the Greek mercenaries were being cut and destroyed by the Macedonian infantry." [p.119-20]
[ancient Greeks fighting against ancient Macedonians and the modern Greeks called Alexander's conquest Greek? Something doesn't add up here.]
[2] Arrian "The Campaigns of Alexander" "When received the report that Alexander was moving forward to the attack, he sent some 30,000 mounted troops and 20,000 light infantry across the river Pinarus, to give himself a chance of getting the main body of his army into position without molestation. His dispositions were as follows: in the van of his heavy infantry were his 30,000 Greek mercenaries, facing the Macedonian infantry, with some 60,000 Persian heavy infantry- known as Kardakes." [p.114]
[Paradoxical juncture: Alexander's conquest can not be called Greek conquest while 30,000 Greeks are actually fighting against Alexander and his Macedonians, while far less,(7,000) were part of the Macedonian army.]
[3] Quintus Rufus "The History of Alexander" Patron, the Greek commander, speaks with Darius:
"Your Majesty", said Patron, "we few are all that remain of 50,000 Greeks. We were all with you in your more fortunate days, and in your present situation we remain as we were when you were prospering, ready to make for and to accept as our country and our home any lands you choose. We and you have been drawn together both by your prosperity and your adversity. By this inviolable loyalty of ours I beg and beseech you: pitch your tent in our area of the camp and let us be your bodyguards. We have left Greece behind; for us there is no Bactria; our hopes rest entirely in you - I wish that were true of the others also! Further talk serves no purpose. As a foreigner born of another race I should not be asking for the responsibility of guarding your person if I thought anyone else could do it." [p.112-13]
[50,000 Greeks serving with Darius’ army and fighting Alexander's Macedonians. A legitimate and a very obvious question: If Alexander’s army was in fact a ‘Greek army’, as the modern Greeks claim, then how is it possible for a ‘Greek king’- Alexander, to hire mercenaries - Greeks, from his 'own' country? 50,000 strong Greeks were with Darius fighting the Macedonians, while Alexander took only 7,000 Greeks next to his Macedonians which served him as "hostages" and "were potential trouble makers" (Green), which he got rid of only when he learned that the rebellion in Greece against the Macedonian occupation forces there was suppressed (Green, Badian, Borza). The fact that 50,000 Greeks were fighting Alexander’s Macedonians shows clearly that their loyalty and their numerical superiority lies with Darius and his Persians, not with Alexander and his Macedonians. As Peter Green puts it: "if this was a Greek conquest where were the Greek troops?" Alexander’s conquest can not therefore be at all a Greek conquest, but simply a Macedonian conquest.]
[4] "The turning point in the evolution of Alexander's army appears to have been the year 330. Until then the Macedonian component was progressively reinforced, reaching peaks before Issus and after the arrival of Amyntas' great contingent late in 331. Alexander then thought it safe to divest himself of non Macedonian troops. The forces from the Corinthean League, infantry and cavalry, were demobilized from Ecbetana in the spring of 330;

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#18 Jul 18, 2012
Alexander demolished Thebes!!!
Quote;
The neighboring states and the cities of Greece rebelled against Macedonian rule now that they saw a boy on the throne. Alexander's council advised him to give up trying to subjugate the Greeks and to concentrate his resources on keeping the barbarian nations of the north under control. Treat the Greeks kindly, they said, and that will dissipate the first impulses of rebellion.

But Alexander rejected this advice. If any sign of weakness were perceived at the beginning of his government, everyone would be encouraged to attack, so only in bravery was there safety. First Alexander marched to the Danube and beat down all opposition from the tribes in that area. When everything there was peaceful again, he turned south and marched to Greece.

There had been a revolution in Thebes. The demagogues there were urging all of the other Greeks to join Thebes and free themselves from Macedonian domination. Athens also was being agitated by talk of war and rebellion, particularly from the demagogue Demosthenes. 6

After a march of two weeks, Alexander appeared at the walls of Thebes and demanded that the city send him the two leaders of the rebellion. To show how willing he was to forgive what was in the past, Alexander offered a full pardon for all those that would take it. The Thebans gave him an insulting reply, so Alexander killed six thousand of them, demolished their city, and sold all of the surviving inhabitants as slaves.

*** This severe example would make the other Greeks think twice about the consequences of disobedience. And soon the Athenians repented and reaffirmed their allegiance to Macedonia. Whether Alexander's new gentleness toward the Athenians was the result of remorse over the horrible cruelty done to Thebes,***

or merely that his passion for blood was satisfied, is not certain. However, from then on Alexander always showed kindness to any Theban survivor he could find.

Soon afterwards, representatives of the Greeks assembled at Corinth and named Alexander to lead them in a war against Persia. 7 While Alexander was at Corinth, politicians and philosophers came to congratulate him, but he noticed that the famous philosopher Diogenes, who lived there in Corinth, did not come.

http://www.e-classics.com/ALEXANDER.ht
FYROMisTURKLERI

Thessaloníki, Greece

#19 Jul 18, 2012
Rosetta stone wrote:
1)"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992

2)'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'- FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada&#65279; Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999

3)(Krste Misirkov)“We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria&#65279; themselves.And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we&#65279; and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"

4)"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole&#65279; of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument" - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008

5)'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.'-&#65279; former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth'

6)"The idea that Alexander the Great belongs to us was at the mind of some outsider groups only. These groups were insignificant in the first years of our&#65279; independence. But the big problem is that the old Balkan nations have been learned to legitimize themselves through their history. In the Balkans to be recognized as a nation you need to have history of 2,000 to 3,000 years old. Since you (Greece ) forced us to invent a history, we did invent it.'- Denko Maleski

7)"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.'- FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999

8)"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were&#8205; from the regions&#65279; of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
FYROMisTURKLERI

Thessaloníki, Greece

#20 Jul 18, 2012
Rosetta stone wrote:
6)
Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as&#65279; examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.- Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE, Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, Cambridge University Press.

7)
"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in&#65279; later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Macedonian Greeks from the Hellenic, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Macedonian Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes." - The Greeks and their Heritage) AJ Toynbe

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