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Mar 21, 2008

Abkhazia, the country that doesn't exist, prepares to follow Kosovo's example

“Now, I'll be able to do it in a single day.”

Underneath the red, white and green Abkhazian flag, border guards check documents on the bridge over the river Psou, just outside the Russian city of Sochi. via The Belfast Telegraph

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After the declaration of independence of Kosovo, Kremlin-backed separatist leaders of Abkhazia (Georgian Apkhazeti) and Tskhinvali region of Georgia (soviet-communist name: "South Ossetia", Original name: Samachablo) have increased their contacts and travels to Moscow. They are trying to arrange their regions’ independence this way. The Kremlin will not back them openly of course, but in reality it is quite generous towards these regimes. At the beginning of March 2008 for example, Russia lifted the economic sanctions against the regions. It will not even mean a lot of change, because Russia was already importing contraband and providing arms, money and military instructors to the regimes. The so-called Russian peacekeeping troops in the regions are loyal to the Kremlin and are unfamiliar with principles of freedom of press and human rights.

Another question is what justice there is in the claim to independence of Abkhazia and "South Ossetia"(Original name: Samachablo) in comparison with Kosovo. And why are the leaders of both regions in a hurry to get it? The regime in Abkhazia claims that a referendum and election results prove that the majority of the population wants to separate from Georgia and live in an independent state. But how was the ‘majority’ established? In September 1993 more than 300,000 ethnic Georgians were driven out of Abkhazia. By international standards this was nothing short of an ethnic cleansing. These refugees now live in Georgia and dream each day of returning to the homes they had to leave behind. The regime in Abkhazia resists this by all means. After the Georgians other inhabitants left: Greeks, Jews, Armenians, Russians and even quite a few Abkhazians. In 1989 Georgians were over

50 % of the population of Abkhazia. Of the population of 1989 only 20 % remains today. Manipulated referenda and elections held for this 20 % population are given by the regime as proof of the will of the people. More than 70,000 that have already returned and live in Abkhazia(Georgian: Apkhazeti) cannot take part in the referenda and elections. The reason for this was that they had not applied for citizenship of (non-recognized republic) Abkhazia!

A similar situation exists in the Tskhinval region.(soviet-communist name: "South Ossetia", Original name: Samachablo) where Georgians are already a majority. The Tskinvali regime states that they do not have citizenship of (non-recognized republic) "South Ossetia" and can therefore not take part in the referenda and elections.

The United Nations or any other international organization could not be present during these referenda and elections. They did not recognize them. Only Russia did.. That was no wonder, because Russia spent a lot of money on them and Russian observers were present. Russia is the only country that continuously threatens Georgia with recognizing the independence of the republics, thus trying to force Georgia away from a Western orientation.

Now the question remains: when will the international community finally demand of Abkhazia(Georgian: Apkhazeti) and "South Ossetia"(Original name: Samachablo) to let the refugees return to their homes? Both regimes know that when this happens, balance will be restored and independence will remain an illusion.

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The United Nations or any other international organization .
And who takes any notice of them now?

They are the first ones to break their own rules!!
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who takes notice of them ? well you probably dont bevause you are a communist brainwased filth, go back and finish listening to you soviet anthem. i know you love it. listen to it till you die. I wish you all the worst...

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polscience wrote:
who takes notice of them ? well you probably dont bevause you are a communist brainwased filth, go back and finish listening to you soviet anthem. i know you love it. listen to it till you die. I wish you all the worst...
You sound like a right little idiot yourself!

I think paranoia is getting to you big time!!

Keep us entertained, eh?
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

All visitors of this forum have to see this movie to understand Russian psichology!!!
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no.your wrong. nothings going to entertain and make you feel better than listening to soviet anthem.
it is not a paranoia. its absolutely a natural reaction to the threat that agents like you pose.russia is trying to expand..... AGAIN.. and people learned TOO much from history to not take action again.
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i doubt int. community is ready to take away any region controlled by russians nowasways. the military balance has already shifted towards west in Caucasus. the world is complicated enough to mess up with this region as well. the pieceful rosolution of conflicts could only come only after the tension in middle east is decreased. but that's not gonna happen at list next decade.
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Robespierre wrote:
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And who takes any notice of them now?
They are the first ones to break their own rules!!
hellooooo mister Ivan (Russian)"Robespierre "....wake up
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the new cold war...

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the new cold war

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hellooooo mister Ivan (Russian)"Robespierre "....wake up
If someone has different thinking from what you read in your brainwashing papers you call that someone Ivan. That's not funny, that's indicating a complete absence of thinking and analysis.
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If someone has different thinking from what you read in your brainwashing papers you call that someone Ivan. That's not funny, that's indicating a complete absence of thinking and analysis.
I think it is actually very funny and you should mind your own brainwashed papers.(I dont even know why you assumed that he read it in papers) There is no "thinking and analysis" needed to understand that robespierre is a russian propaganda machine . He says himself that he is "the Devil's advocate", what elese do you need to know. Please get busy with you own business and take that "constructive criticism" and shove it in one place.

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polscience wrote:
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I think it is actually very funny and you should mind your own brainwashed papers.(I dont even know why you assumed that he read it in papers) There is no "thinking and analysis" needed to understand that robespierre is a russian propaganda machine . He says himself that he is "the Devil's advocate", what elese do you need to know. Please get busy with you own business and take that "constructive criticism" and shove it in one place.
You will notice that you came on this forum, not to do any "thinking or analysis" yourself, but to attack me, calling me a 'communist filth', and now 'a Russian propaganda machine'.

I didn't see any willingness from you to engage in any debate at all, only to stereotype me and gratuitously insult me.

My remark about UN resolutions being ignored is quite valid. But rather than arguing that point, you seem to prefer to castigate its author.

Just the kind of behaviour ine comes to expect from you, after seeing some of your posts, where you only display your over-inflated sense of importance and your prejudices.

Yourself are just a medocre tool of the obsene neocon propaganda machine, ready to dismiss anyone not agreing with you and to twist the facts to suit your agenda. Have a good day!
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oh.. Robespierre ....stop being so nice.I am going to have a WONDERFUL day even without you wishing it to me.it does not matter what tone will you use and it does not matter how carefully chosen words you use, it is clear to me that you are a very addled person who can not distingush between dreams and the reality. I believe that there will always be people on this forum who will be easily beguiled by your "constructive" tone but most of the people (including me) will always be able to separate the VENOM from this seemingly nice but subtle comments that convey a dangerous message .and when divulged and exposed, everyone will understand what a fanatical and contumaciously evil and soviet mentality person you are. now go back and finish listening your favorite soviet anthem and dont waste our valuable time. Thank you.
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oh. Robespierre ....stop being so nice.I am going to have a WONDERFUL day even without you wishing it to me.it does not matter what tone will you use and it does not matter how carefully chosen words you use, it is clear to me that you are a very addled person who can not distingush between dreams and the reality. I believe that there will always be people on this forum who will be easily beguiled by your "constructive" tone but most of the people (including me) will always be able to separate the VENOM from this seemingly nice but subtle comments that convey a dangerous message .and when divulged and exposed, everyone will understand what a fanatical and contumaciously evil and soviet mentality person you are. now go back and finish listening your favorite soviet anthem and dont waste our valuable time. Thank you.
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sorry I posted it twice....
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sorry I posted it twice....

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Polscience wrote:
oh. Robespierre ....stop being so nice.I am going to have a WONDERFUL day even without you wishing it to me.it does not matter what tone will you use and it does not matter how carefully chosen words you use, it is clear to me that you are a very addled person who can not distingush between dreams and the reality. I believe that there will always be people on this forum who will be easily beguiled by your "constructive" tone but most of the people (including me) will always be able to separate the VENOM from this seemingly nice but subtle comments that convey a dangerous message .and when divulged and exposed, everyone will understand what a fanatical and contumaciously evil and soviet mentality person you are. now go back and finish listening your favorite soviet anthem and dont waste our valuable time. Thank you.
Now it is quite clear that there is a distinct flaw in your education.

They obviously didn't teach you about punctuation and paragraphs.

Also, you can drop the arrogance; nobody needs to be patronised by a vain American scumbag like you!!
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Robespierre wrote:
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Now it is quite clear that there is a distinct flaw in your education.
They obviously didn't teach you about punctuation and paragraphs.
Also, you can drop the arrogance; nobody needs to be patronised by a vain American scumbag like you!!
I am sorry that I dont have time to look out for punctuation and paragraphs. Luckly I have other things to do in my life than to just sit here and look out for grammar when I post a response to someone as unworthy as you .
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I think it is actually very funny and you should mind your own brainwashed papers.(I dont even know why you assumed that he read it in papers) There is no "thinking and analysis" needed to understand that robespierre is a russian propaganda machine . He says himself that he is "the Devil's advocate", what elese do you need to know. Please get busy with you own business and take that "constructive criticism" and shove it in one place.
Your illness is called paranoia. Everywhere you see Russian propaganda machines. What you don't see and even don't want to see is your propaganda machines.
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