MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal

Apr 18, 2012 Full story: Asia News Network 15,220

China has asked all Philippine vessels to leave immediately Scarborough Shoal and sent a second aircraft buzzing over the area to scare away Filipino fishermen, officials said yesterday.

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red dragon

Hebei, China

#2081 May 24, 2012
Sorry Cev, Are you calling "Filmalay" a liar?
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2082 May 24, 2012
uncle fargo wrote:
<quoted text>
How to spot a CCP troll.(Wo mao!)
(The sum of the parts is less than the whole!!)
A few clues.
One fake address.(Grey type, not blue. Or “Location hidden”.)
Only has blogs as reference.
Never answers questions.
Repeats the same crap month after month on different threads. Once shown to be shallow disappears for a month and resurfaces,(or just changes names).Always posts shit that has been debunked ten times before.(Lead in toys, free Tibet, baby eating and cooking live cats.)
Never addresses the thread subject, just posts crap about the poster.
Pretends to be Tibetan, Taiwanese or Indian.(Can change to a New Zealander for a post or two.)
Currently they are "Filipinos"!
Level of English varies wildly. Good one post, piss poor the next!
Forgets to change screen name or answers in a different name part way through a thread!
Quote themselves as a source!
Calls everyone else "wo mao"!
Never asks for a Free southern Tibet!
So many words. I'll keep it simple:

How to spot CCP trolls:

1. Look for Uncle Fargo, Red Dragon, Moro Islamic LF, and other who post insults and out of topic statements.

2. Read the posts and find them admitting that they are Trolls or Wumaos.

:)
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2083 May 24, 2012
Now back to topic:

CHINA'S SEA CLAIMS EXCESSIVE, SAYS US

Washington (AP)- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says that China's claims in the South China Sea exceed what is permitted by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

To China's chagrin, the Obama administration has asserted since 2010 that although the US is not itself a claimant state in the South China Sea, it has an interest in peaceful resolution of the disputes and in the freedom of navigation in waters that carry a large chunk of global trade.

Clinton said that the US supports countries "being threatened" by China's claims.

"As a non-party, we cede the legal high ground to China. We put ourselves on the defensive. We are not as strong an advocate for our friends and allies in the region as I would like us to be, and I don’t think that’s any place for the world’s pre-eminent maritime power to find ourselves,” she said.

China is among the more than 160 nations that are party to the convention. Its expansive claims in the South China Sea are disputed by Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines, a US treaty ally.

The convention was concluded in 1982 and has been in force since 1994. Republican opposition has stalled US approval for years although the military says it still acts in accordance with the pact’s principles.

She referred to the standoff at the Scarborough Shoal that began last month when the Philippines navy accused Chinese fishermen of poaching within its exclusive zone.

The Philippines accused China on Wednesday of sending more government and fishing vessels to the uninhabited, horseshoe-shaped shoal. Manila says China has a total of 96 ships, fishing boats and dinghies there, while the Philippines has two.

Rising power China has turned down a Philippine invitation for international arbitration of the dispute.

Beijing’s position in the South China Sea disputes is based on ancient maps. A map it submitted to the UN in 2009 claims virtually the entire South China Sea, but Beijing has failed to clarify the exact extent of its claims.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2084 May 24, 2012
UPDATE ON CHINA'S FISHING BAN THAT THEY HAVE FAILED TO ENFORCE:

Based on reports received by the DFA, there were five Chinese government vessels (CMS-71, CMS-84, FLEC-301, FLEC-303, and FLEC-310), and 16 Chinese fishing boats, 10 of which were inside the lagoon while six were outside on May 21.

In addition, there were 56 utility boats, 27 of which were inside the lagoon and 29 were outside.

On Tuesday, there were still 16 Chinese fishing vessels and the number of utility boats went up to 76.

Hernandez said the Chinese vessels “are fishing and are collecting corals.”

Currently, he said there are no Philippine vessels in the area but the PCG and the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR) are continuously “monitoring and documenting what is being done by other side.”

“We have been doing that (demanding that Chinese vessels leave the area) since we found out they are in the area,” said Hernandez.“We will continue demanding.”

He pointed out that the Chinese side has issued the same reply several times that “they would like us (the Philippines) to leave the area.”

“It is regrettable that these actions occurred at a time when China has been articulating for a de-escalation of tensions and while the two sides have been discussing how to defuse the situation in the area,” said DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez in a news briefing at the DFA headquarters at noon Wednesday
taiwan

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#2085 May 24, 2012
so what does cev or anyone got to do with this? it's your own government actions! one china government does one thing and then same china government does the opposite thing? hahaha red dragon once again you make me laugh!! be able to understand simple thing please!
Dong King Kong

Philippines

#2086 May 24, 2012
Cev wrote:
Now back to topic:
CHINA'S SEA CLAIMS EXCESSIVE, SAYS US
Washington (AP)- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says that China's claims in the South China Sea exceed what is permitted by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
To China's chagrin, the Obama administration has asserted since 2010 that although the US is not itself a claimant state in the South China Sea, it has an interest in peaceful resolution of the disputes and in the freedom of navigation in waters that carry a large chunk of global trade.
Clinton said that the US supports countries "being threatened" by China's claims.
"As a non-party, we cede the legal high ground to China. We put ourselves on the defensive. We are not as strong an advocate for our friends and allies in the region as I would like us to be, and I don’t think that’s any place for the world’s pre-eminent maritime power to find ourselves,” she said.
China is among the more than 160 nations that are party to the convention. Its expansive claims in the South China Sea are disputed by Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines, a US treaty ally.
The convention was concluded in 1982 and has been in force since 1994. Republican opposition has stalled US approval for years although the military says it still acts in accordance with the pact’s principles.
She referred to the standoff at the Scarborough Shoal that began last month when the Philippines navy accused Chinese fishermen of poaching within its exclusive zone.
The Philippines accused China on Wednesday of sending more government and fishing vessels to the uninhabited, horseshoe-shaped shoal. Manila says China has a total of 96 ships, fishing boats and dinghies there, while the Philippines has two.
Rising power China has turned down a Philippine invitation for international arbitration of the dispute.
Beijing’s position in the South China Sea disputes is based on ancient maps. A map it submitted to the UN in 2009 claims virtually the entire South China Sea, but Beijing has failed to clarify the exact extent of its claims.
To All Chinaman!!!

Please read and comprehend!!!!
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2087 May 24, 2012
UPDATE ON CHINA'S 'ECONOMIC BULLYING' ON PH BANANA EXPORTS:

Philippine quarantine inspectors did not find any pests in the bananas exported to China, according to Agriculture Secretary Proceso Alcala.
The three pest management officers who were sent to Beijing to inspect the Philippine bananas that Chinese officials had claimed were contaminated with scale insects “did not see anything,” Alcala said in a radio interview.

As of Thursday, 170 containers of the fruit had been allowed entry into the Chinese market, he said.

In March, Chinese quarantine officials barred the entry of Philippine bananas, saying they had found a type of scale insect in the fruits. China also ordered a 100-percent inspection of incoming banana shipments from Mindanao.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2088 May 24, 2012
INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP (ICG) WARNS CHINA ON DEPLOYING MORE SHIPS

China is deploying more surveillance and paramilitary ships to the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) without a clear legal framework to assert its ambiguous territorial claims, risking more confrontations, a report said Monday.

The bigger patrol ships sent by Chinese maritime surveillance and fisheries agencies have figured in major flare-ups, including an ongoing standoff with a Philippine coast guard vessel over a disputed shoal off the western Philippine coast.

At the same time, the nearly a dozen government agencies handling China’s claims compete for budget and power and operate with conflicting mandates and lack coordination, the International Crisis Group (IGC) said in its report.

Six countries are engaged in long-simmering territorial rifts in the West Philippine Sea, crossed by one of the world’s busiest commercial sealanes and accounting for about 10 percent of the annual global fisheries catch.

A map China submitted to the United Nations in 2009 claims virtually the entire area, but China has so far refused to define the exact extent of its claims, causing confusion and fostering potential conflicts, the ICG said.

Some Chinese patrol ships, according to the ICG, were unaware of the limits of the areas where they were supposed to assert sovereignty.

ICG said it interviewed an official with the Maritime Safety Administration in China’s southern Hainan province who said he did not know what area to defend. The official was not further identified.

China Maritime Surveillance, an agency patroling the South China Sea, plans to increase its personnel from 9,000 to 15,000 and the number of ships from 280 to 520 by 2020, the ICG said. Another agency, the Fisheries Law Enforcement, plans to acquire more helicopter-carrying patrol ships. Such buildup is separate from the strengthening of China’s navy, according to the Brussels-based group.

Philippine officials have asked China to bring their disputes to the United Nations for arbitration, a process that will require both to delineate their claims. But Chinese officials have insisted on negotiating with other claimants individually.

The latest confrontation erupted April 10 when a Filipino warship attempted to arrest Chinese fishermen, who were accused of illegally entering and poaching endangered species at Panatag Shoal (international name: Scarborough Shoal). Two Chinese surveillance ships prevented arrests and the fishermen slipped away.

A Philippine coast guard vessel continued to face off with Chinese maritime ships at the uninhabited, horseshoe-shaped shoal while diplomats attempted to find a solution.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2089 May 24, 2012
UPDATE ON PHILIPPINE DIPLOMATIC OFFENSIVE VS CHINA:

PHIL DFA CHIEF TO CHINA: SHUN WAR

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario on Wednesday warned against settling disputes by armed force as China sent nearly 100 vessels to Scarborough Shoal, raising tensions with the Philippines in the disputed waters in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Speaking before a United Nations General Assembly high-level meeting on mediation, Del Rosario stressed that “the cost of conflict is too high in lives lost, in futures destroyed and in what must be done to rebuild.”

“The Philippines was invited to speak as a leading voice in global mediation efforts,” said the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA).

“We had to learn our lesson the hard and tragic way—by opening our doors to the pain, loss and suffering that the scourge of war can bring,” Del Rosario said.

Del Rosario is leading the Philippines’ efforts to bring the Scarborough Shoal dispute to the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (Itlos). Beijing has rejected international mediation and begun to put an economic squeeze on Manila by suspending tourism to the Philippines and tightening inspection rules for Philippine banana exports.

Del Rosario reminded UN member-states that settling disputes by peaceful means was what united them to build the organization 60 years ago.

Equality of states

The UN Charter, Del Rosario said,“also mandates the observance of the doctrine of the sovereign equality of states.”

But “the sad reality is that the vast political and economic differences between states, including those in dispute, often render this doctrine dead letter law,” he said.

The high-level meeting on mediation was convened and chaired by Nassir Abdulaziz al-Nasser, president of the UN General Assembly.

Nearly 100 vessels

Del Rosario has yet to comment on reports that China has increased the number of its vessels at Scarborough Shoal to 92 from 77 earlier this week. The vessels included four government ships, fishing and utility boats.

The Philippines has only two civilian vessels at the shoal, which both countries claim.
Vessels from both countries have been facing off with each other at the shoal since April 8, when Philippine authorities tried to arrest Chinese fishermen for poaching in the area.

On Monday, the DFA handed Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing a diplomatic note—the seventh since the standoff began—to protest the increase in the number of Chinese vessels at the shoal.

The Philippines accused China of intensifying tensions at the shoal despite ongoing talks to settle the dispute peacefully.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2090 May 24, 2012
Importance of mediation

In his remarks at the UN meeting, Del Rosario stressed the importance of mediation in settling disputes between small and large rival states, as in the dispute between Philippines and China over Scarborough Shoal.

“When parties are in a dispute, differences in political and economic power can often weigh against a fair, just, peaceful and lasting resolution,” Del Rosario said.

“Mediation and other third-party mechanisms can level the playing field,” he said.“These help ensure that although one party may lack in power, it can make up for it through reliance on the rule of law.”

The Philippines believes in “mediation and other forms of third party dispute settlement, including judicial settlement, not only in principle but definitely in practice,” Del Rosario said.

Immediate withdrawal

Manila demanded that Beijing immediately withdraw the vessels, saying China’s actions violate Philippine sovereignty, its exclusive economic zone, the Declaration of Conduct on the South China Sea signed by China and Southeast Asian countries, and the UN Charter.

The Chinese foreign ministry responded by accusing the Philippines of “provocative actions” that its spokesperson Hong Lei did not specify.

Hong said the Chinese vessels at Huangyan Island—China’s name for Scarborough Shoal—were working in the area according to “related Chinese laws and the fishing moratorium issued by the Chinese government.”

The Philippines does not recognize the Chinese moratorium, but has declared its own fishing ban for conservation of marine resources in the area.
On Wednesday, DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez reported that the Chinese vessels continued fishing and collecting protected corals despite China’s fishing ban.

Yesterday, Hernandez said the Philippines was “exerting efforts to defuse the tensions in the area.”

In a text message to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Hernandez said the Philippines hoped China would respond positively and refrain from further “actions that would “escalate tensions” at Scarborough Shoal.

Peaceful settlement

“Mediation forms an important part of a rules-based approach to the peaceful settlement of disputes. It is for this reason that we are pursuing this course in hoping to resolve the conflicting claims in the West Philippine Sea, as well as in addressing the internal conflicts in my country,” Del Rosario said.

He cited the Manila Declaration on the Peaceful Settlement of Disputes, adopted in 1982 by the UN General Assembly, which, he said,“remains relevant.”

“The declaration stressed what is sometimes forgotten—that sovereign states that make up the world community are under a legal obligation to settle disputes in a peaceful manner,” Del Rosario said.

This is the most fundamental of legal norms in our world. If this most basic norm did not exist, there would be no substratum or infrastructure on which international law could rest on.”
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2091 May 24, 2012
UPDATE ON CHINA'S FAILURE TO ENFORCE ITS OWN FISHING BAN AND UPDATE ON PHILIPPINE ACTION:

The Philippine government won’t go after Chinese fishermen who continue to fish and collect corals at Scarborough Shoal, Malacańang said Thursday.

But the Philippine Coast Guard will bar Filipino fishermen from the shoal, which both China and the Philippines claim.

China has declared a fishing ban in the area. The Philippines does not recognize the Chinese moratorium, but has declared its own fishing ban for conservation of marine resources in the disputed waters.

Answering questions from reporters, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the “instructions to all agencies” were to prevent any act that would intensify tensions in the area.
Valte said Filipino fishermen were prohibited from fishing at Scarborough Shoal. But they are encouraged “to take advantage of the fishing aggregating devices that have been set up by the [Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources],” Valte said.

Valte was commenting on reports that Chinese fishermen continued to fish and gather protected corals at Scarborough Shoal despite China’s ban on economic activities in the area.

There were also reports that the number of Chinese vessels at the shoal has increased to 92, including four government ships. In contrast, the Philippines has only two civilian vessels in the area.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

#2092 May 24, 2012
red dragon wrote:
<quoted text>Are you calling cev a liar? Read his post!! Or are you just a product of your countries education system! Idiot Chinese Hong Kong government isn't the Taiwan Province government! No wonder your countrimen can't accept the Chinese,(Both ROC and PRC) claim the shoal and waters for hundreds of years!
Relax guys, don't get affected by this troll's posts.

Uncle Fargo (also known as Red Dragon) is a troll, nothing more.

This guy is so desperate to make China win that he did something only the most dumbest of trolls would do: to admit that he is a troll.

He will resort to insults and will confuse you by saying the same pointlessly over and over again.

Just laugh at him and remind him that he is DEFEATED. That China is DEFEATED.

This forum will be boring if stupid people just like this guy did not exist.:)

nyahahahaha :))))
web police

Central District, Hong Kong

#2093 May 24, 2012
discussion end at line 2000 and 2001

China is the undisputed winner, phil is looser and the thieves
Dong King Kong

Philippines

#2094 May 24, 2012
web police wrote:
discussion end at line 2000 and 2001
China is the undisputed winner, phil is looser and the thieves
Back-off chinaman!!!! This forum is not china and therefore, freedom to express one's view is not suppressed.
Filmalay

Marina, CA

#2095 May 24, 2012
web police wrote:
discussion end at line 2000 and 2001
China is the undisputed winner, phil is looser and the thieves
In your dreams. Go back to sleep. There are 500 endangered turtles that was stolen by Chinese fishermen in the Philippines and not yet accounted for. These turtles might be hidden inside the 100 Chinese Fisheries Ships located in the West Philippine Sea. When will the thieves return the turtles?
Filmalay

Marina, CA

#2096 May 24, 2012
red dragon wrote:
<quoted text>Ha ha ha! "Everything in the philippines is stolen, it is just that it hasn't been picked up yet!!" Chinese returned turtles. I hear you say so some fisherman bad but Chinese government honourable! Thank you for being honest about government! Bad people in every country, China more than 15 times Philippines but all reef not poisoned and bombed!
What you meant is everything from China are pirated. Substandard Chinese solar panels being dump in the United States. Slapped 30 to 50 percent tax levy. Chinese government honourable? For letting Chinese fishermen steal turtles, fish, coral , whales, etc. etc...? Gimme a break....Where is my violin, I'm going to play it.
red dragon

Hebei, China

#2097 May 24, 2012
taiwan wrote:
yeah well how come taiwan government returned the turtles and china government did not?
Yes I an foolish one who don't know Taiwan and China and Hiong Kong governemnts. You call other man liar, not me! Keep laughing.

“CCP Troll”

Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#2098 May 24, 2012
Cev wrote:
<quoted text>
So many words. I'll keep it simple:
How to spot CCP trolls:
1. Look for Uncle Fargo, Red Dragon, Moro Islamic LF, and other who post insults and out of topic statements.
2. Read the posts and find them admitting that they are Trolls or Wumaos.
:)
like this?
Post 1035
No facts from moslem killing, that is not true and stupid.

Working a decent job even low wages is okay, it's decent.

Do you know that Chinese women are the largest group of prostitutes in Singapore's geylang red light district?

Yeah chinawomen beats a decent low wage earning filipino overseas worker.
Post 1036
Free Tibet!

Free Mainland China!(it's actually owned by Taiwan) xD
1037
As our friend from Guam said:

"You want massagie? Tee hee.." xD
1050
A lot of local Singaporeans actually hate mainland Chinese.

Most recent is the idiot mainland chinese guy who was drunk driving his ferrari, and rammed into a taxi killing a japanese woman.

Another is a mainland chinese guy who stole a taxi i think, and rammed the car into a malaysian national, also killing that person.

Oh did i mention the thousands on mainland chinawomen who work as prostitutes in Singapore's Geylang district? Couldn't find decent jobs so they sell their bodies instead.
1956
I beg to disagree uncle fargo. Having stayed in China.. Have you been to Dong Guan in Guangdong Province?

If you haven't, you should! i'm sure you'll love the place.. A whole city full of 'you want massagie? Teehee..'

I pity the chinese prostitutes who go to the coastal areas just to make money. You know what they make chinese prostitutes do there?

Sorry this might be too visual, but they make them chinese prostitutes lick the sh!t off your anu$.

I'm just telling the truth.

And I'm not the one who brought up the prostitute topic. The wumaos started it. I tried my best to be as civil and as factual as possible.

“CCP Troll”

Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#2100 May 24, 2012
1066
Also, why do you keep on changing your name Mr. WuMao?

Sometimes you're Bruce Lee, sometimes philvampires, now you're HuangYanDao!

Do you think by posting under different names it makes your claim to Scarborough more credible?

Are you trying to strike an impression that there are many of you, and that that makes you more right?

Most of the chinamen here have given up the fight because they cannot argue with logical and factual arguements from the Philippines side as well as from posters in different countries.

I commend you chinaman, 50 mao (cents in chinese rmb) must be worth a lot to you to keep on posting here.

Go on, i allow you to make your daily minimum wage to feed your family.
1067
Oh my mistake it's 5 mao not 50.
1070
Well, look at the posts of the chinamen here. If these are the people living in China, do you see anything right about them?

Let's put it this way, being an ethnic chinese, if i live in China, i would leave China and live elsewhere as well.
1072
Why do you exist? I be the answer is tricky as well
taiwan

Marilag, Philippines

#2101 May 24, 2012
so you are saying hongkong is different from taiwan is different from china, right? haha! gotcha!

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