MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal

Apr 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Asia News Network

China has asked all Philippine vessels to leave immediately Scarborough Shoal and sent a second aircraft buzzing over the area to scare away Filipino fishermen, officials said yesterday.

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Jul 10, 2012
 
Americans think v r fools wrote:
NONSENSICAL POSTINGS by Austronesian Guy.
Using general statement selectively to support his point e.g. Australia on UNCLOS applied generally to most cases but not in the case of Gibraltar, Falkland, Huangyan because it involved HISTORICAL CLAIMS and even ex-Philippine Ambassador ENDORSED THAT.
That flag was removed by China Navy and tantamount to illegally planting flag on China.
That island base is not a subject of debate here and probably Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam or maybe Indonesia may be involved and bombed the island to reclaim it in the future or in case of war. China may not be a claimant here, how do you know she is?
China never arrested any Filipino fishermen??? Hahaha They were release like the Vietnamese fishermen or even Somalian Fishermen.
Unlike Philippines, China always settled her dispute with her neighbors including Philippines in quiet diplomacy until the arrival of this low IQ moronic half Chinese President who uses this issue to rally support for himself against the former president and the opposition. Now he endanger all PINOY and spoilt their banana crop. Look like another rotton bumper banana crop for Philippine farmers.
Hey many times have you changed your name? like 200? haha

You can change your name again, I have defeated you once more

OK TO STAB YOUR WOUNDED face for the nTH time

MALAYSIA
Malaysia backs Philippines in dispute vs China

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo...

Malaysia is supporting the Philippines' stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), Vice President Jejomar Binay said Tuesday.

VIETNAM BACKS THE PHILIPPINES

http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2012/05/24/...

1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,” the latter presumably referring to articles in China’s state controlled press.
3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

INDONESIA Supports Phil's STAND ON SPRATLYS

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/...

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YOU LOSE!
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#5923
Jul 10, 2012
 
Americans think v r fools wrote:
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You are another low IQ MORON!
If that is that case that FALKLAND should be return to ARGENTINA without any problem.
How far did you ancestor sail to reach Philippine before he arrived home?
SPAIN, BRITAIN, FRANCE were all IMPERIALIST NATION that colonized other smaller nation.
If Spain ever repeated that today, she is FINITO not to mention JAPAN!
The reason why CHINA is SCARED OF THE INTERNATIONAL LAW

RE: Scarborough Shoal

Spanish Name: Bajo de Masinloc

Original Filipino Name: Panatag Shoal

As decided in a number of cases by International courts or tribunals, most notably the Palmas Island Case, a modality for acquiring territorial ownership over a piece of real estate is effective exercise of jurisdiction. Indeed, in that particular case, sovereignty over the Palmas Island was adjudged in favor of the Netherlands on the basis of "effective exercise of jurisdiction'' although the said island may have been historically discovered by Spain and historically ceded to the US in the Treaty of Paris.

In the case of Bajo de Masinloc, the Philippines has exercised both effective occupation and effective jurisdiction over Bajo de Masinloc since its independence.

The name Bajo de Masinloc (translated as "under Masinloc") itself identifies the shoal as a particular political subdivision of the Philippine Province of Zambales, known as Masinloc.

One of the earliest known and most accurate maps of the area, named Carta - Hydrographical y Chorographica De Las Yslas Fillplnas by Fr. Pedro Murillo Velarde, S.J., and published in 1734, included Bajo de Masinloc as part of Zambales.

The name Bajo de Masinloc was a name given to the shoal by the Spanish colonizers. In 1792, another map drawn by the Alejandro Malaspina expedition and published in 1808 in Madrid, Spain, also showed Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory. This map showed the route of the Malaspina expedition to and around the shoal. It was reproduced in the Atlas of the 1939 Philippine Census.

The Mapa General, Islas Filipinas, Observatorio de Manila published in 1990 by the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, also included Bajo de Masinloc as part of the Philippines.

Philippine flags have been erected on some of the islets of the shoal, including a flag raised on an 8.3-meter high flag pote in 1965 and another Philippine flag raised by Congressmen Roque Ablan and Jose Yap in 1997. In 1965, the Philippines also built and operated a small lighthouse in one of the islets in the Shoal. In 1992, the Philippine Navy rehabilitated the lighthouse and reported it to the international Maritime Organization for publication in the List of Lights (currently this lighthouse is not operational).

Bajo de Masinloc was also used as an impact range by Philippine and US Naval Forces stationed in Subic Bay in Zambales for defence purposes. The Philippines Department of Environment and Natural Resources together with the University of the Philippines has also been conducting scientific, topographic, and marine studies in the Shoal. Filipino fishermen have always considered it as their fishing grounds owing to their proximity to the coastal towns and areas of Southwest Luzon.

In 2009, when the Philippines' passed an amended Archipelagic Baselines Law fully consistent with the law of the Sea, Bajo de Masinloc's was classified under the "Regime of Islands" consistent with the Law of the Sea.

China refused Philippines Invitation to take the issue to the UN

China’s consistent refusal to bring its claim to the United Nations International Court of Justice or to the United Nation’s International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) by itself is a tacit admission that it cannot prove its so called historical claim before a proper neutral court
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Jul 10, 2012
 
Americans think v r fools wrote:
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You called that evidences! Hahaha
5,000 or 7,000 the truth is PINOY does not know how to count.
I considered 5,000 as a more realistic number because the rising sea level has make 2,000 more disappeared overnight! And can you challenge me on that. You mean using the comments of your fellow blog and that is facts! ha ha What a moron you are?
You must be a child!
You are low in your IQ!
Why can't you show the map???

Where is China's Historical 1300 map and the original historical document?

SHOW ME!

Are they real or fake?

I guess their fake haha

like you fake bags, and fake appliances wahaha

China has no evidence

Therefore, China's Scarborough and Spralty Claims are INVALID!

Show me the MAP

Can't produce? you lose!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
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Prove to me I am a Chinese first.
You cannot because you simply assumed.
There are in fact many Pro-Chinese, anti-American here in Asia.
you low IQ or filmalay or malay-donkey or in fact a NIPPONESE in disguise! You may not know, most Indians in India is anti-American although the Indians in USA may lied to you.
Your warped mind makes you go all over the place digressing to items that is not even related to the thread!
That is another low IQ reply from you! Go home and eat rotten banana, Philippines need your support to pay for ist new navy sampan!
Han Solo, Asian Unity, Beggars with big shitty mouth, Great Malaysian, Americans think v r fools and other bunches of CHING CHONG USERNAMES are THE SAME PERSON!!!

And also you frequently change your location LOSER

HAHA TO SHOW THERE ARE A LOT OF CHINESE SUPPORTERS? loser!

OR

BECAUSE NO ONE AGREES TO YOUR ARGUMENT SO YOU USE ANOTHER NAME TO AGREE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT. haha LOSER!!

So you like talking to your own self wahaha

I think you have MULTIPLE PERSNALITY DISORDER lololol

The world is not stupid like you

YOU COULD TELL RIGHT AWAY

YOU ALWAYS POST THE SAME ARGUMENT, SAME WORD CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS AND SAME INSULTS OVER AND OVER

JUST UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES LOL LOSER

HOW MANY USERNAMES HAVE YOU USED SO FAR?

LIKE 200? LMAO!

A TYPICAL CHARACTERISTIC OF A LOSER

The READERS HERE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU ARE DUMB!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
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Again you deviated! China isolated! Hahaha
The truth is PINOY wanted to attend but she cannot. The sampans will sink. So you know hat you are talking about FilNips = FilthyNipponese!
China preferred to hold and has held naval exercise with Russia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and even India or Pakistan. Even the Australian Navy did it in Shanghai but PINOY was not invited because her SAMPAN NAVY will sink when the Chinese warship make a 90 degree turning. Hahaha
Keep dreaming! Nipponese! Your Japan Navy is fast become obsolete and Japan is very worried. NO MONEY to pay civil servants by next month if crisis not resolved.
The US and its allies are getting ready to PROTECT the Philippines

WHILE THE FILIPNOS JUST SIT DOWN AND WATCH CHINA GET NUKED WAHAHA!

here to slap your wounded face

RIMPAC, the Rim of the Pacific Exercise, is the world's largest international maritime warfare exercise.

Pacific Rim nations face several "hot spots" of potential armed conflict, such as the threat of the People's Republic of China.

VERY CLEAR: China is the TARGET hahaha

VERY CLEAR: China is the TARGET hahaha

VERY CLEAR: China is the TARGET hahaha

VERY CLEAR: China is the TARGET hahaha

22 COUNTRIES, POWERFUL NAVIES!

The exercises included units or personnel from Australia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, France, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, the Republic of Korea, the Republic of the Philippines, Russia, Singapore, Thailand, Tonga, the United Kingdom and the United States. Russia will participate actively for the first time, as will the PHILIPPINES, reportedly due to the escalating tensions with the People's Republic of China over ownership of the SCARBOROUGH SHOAL.

YIHIHI

No evidence, China can't claim the islands

again

Can't produce? you lose!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
Gary wrote:
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He is right. He could be a malay. Just observe his English. I've interacted with malays before for a long time on online games and his English is very similar. You can tell since its more inferior compared to Filipinos using English.
Han Solo, Asian Unity, Beggars with big shitty mouth, Great Malaysian, Americans think v r fools

Now

GARY!

Hi Gary,

You will get owned as like those other CHING CHONG names abou that you've used wahaha!

NO CHING CHONG HAS DEFEATED AUSTRONESIAN GUY THE GREAT!

CHING CHONG LING LONG TING TONG!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
U APES BEG_ HAVE BIGMOUTH wrote:
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^ LOW IQ OFW Trash living on Mexican/Indian lands...
complaining about taking anothers land...
Don't change the topic

Why can't you show the map???

Where is China's Historical 1300 map and the original historical document?

SHOW ME!

Are they real or fake?

I guess their fake haha

like you fake bags, and fake appliances wahaha

China has no evidence

Therefore, China's Scarborough and Spralty Claims are INVALID!

Show me the MAP

Can't produce? you lose!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
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Well! If you understand LAW in the first place, you would not be here arguing something you know NUTS about!
We fought a legal battle with Singapore over an island and ICJ awarded it to Singapore although it is closer and next to Malaysia.
UNCLOS is not valid and does not apply! Learn to walk before you run!
Facts! Hahaha Don't make me laugh!
You cannot even accepted the fact that 86lb Philippines weakling will get a HAMMERING from 500lb China and you talk about FACTS!
That is the FACT!
A PINOY in denial is an angry PINOY! Hahaha
TOTAL WASTE OF ENERGY! I merely having FUN with you monkey or more appropiately stubborn and stupid donkey.
Haha because you are idiot, you don't know SH*T

THe UN BASES ITS VERDICT BASED ON

1. 200 EEZ

2. EFFECTIVE SOVEREIGNTY - EVEN IF AN ISLAND IS CLOSE TO YOU AND IS WITHIN YOUR 200 EEZ YOU BUT YOU NEVER SHOWED EFFECTIVE SOVEREIGNTY, THE UN WILL GIVE IT TO THE OTHER PARTY

In the case of the PHILIPPINES

THE ISLANDS ARE WITHIN ITS 200 EEZ AND THE PHILS. HAS DEMONSTRATED EFFECTIVE JURISDICTION OVER THE ISLANDS

THEREFORE

CHINA LOSES

PHILIPPINES WIN!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
Treaty of Paris

I'm sorry Chinks, I know this is one of your "ONLY HOPES"

But the Treaty of Paris won't help you win the case.

The basis of Philippine sovereignty and Jurisdiction over the rock features of Bajo de Masinloc is not premised on the cession by Spain of the Philippine archipelago to the United States under the Treaty of Paris.

Yes the disputed islands are outside the limit provided by the treaty of paris, HOWEVER, International law gives 200 exclusive economic zone to all coastal states and the disputed islands (most of Spratly Islands and Scarborough Shoal) are within the EEZ provided by the International Law (UNCLOS)

Palmas Island (now part of Indonesia) was included in the TREATY OF PARIS, BUT THE INTERNATIONAL COURT FAVORED THE NETHERLANDS due to Netherlands' EFFECTIVE EXERCISE OF JURISDICTION. Indeed, in that particular case, sovereignty over the Palmas Island was adjudged in favor of the Netherlands on the basis of "effective exercise of jurisdiction'' although the said island may have been historically discovered by Spain and historically ceded to the US in the Treaty of Paris.

In the case of Scarborough shoal and the Spraltys, the Philippines has exercised both effective occupation and effective jurisdiction.

1. THE PHILIPPINES HAVE ARRESTED A LOT OF ILLEGAL CHINESE, VIETNAMESE, AND TAIWANESE FISHERMEN IN SCARBOROUGH SHOAL WITHOUT ANY PROTEST FROM CHINA, VIETNAM OR TAIWAN. CHINA PROTESTED JUST RECENTLY.

SAME WITH THE SPRATLYS, THE PHILIPPINES HAVE ARRESTED ILLEGAL CHINESE, VIETNAMESE, AND MALAYSIANS WITHOUT ANY PROTEST FROM THEIR RESPECTED COUNTIRES.

FACT: CHINA NEVER ARRESTED FILIPINO FISHERMEN IN THE DISPUTED ISLANDS.

THE PHILIPPINES HAVE ALSO CAPTURED ILLEGAL CHINESE FISHING BOATS

2. THE PHILIPPINE NAVY AND COASTGUARD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PATROLLING THE ISLANDS.

3. Bajo de Masinloc was also used as an impact range by Philippine and U.S. Naval Forces stationed in Subic Bay in Zambales for defense purposes.

4. The Phil. has also been conducting scientific, topographic, and marine studies in the disputed islands

5. Fil. fishermen have been fishing in the disputed areas since prehistory

6. The Philippines has a municipality in the disputed islands called Pag-Asa. You can find houses, a school, military posts, and other infrastructures.

See pictures below
http://i48.tinypic.com/34ffhpt.jpg - Elementary School
http://i45.tinypic.com/6zq0pi.jpg - Government Building
http://i50.tinypic.com/jif51l.jpg - Naval Station

7. Philippine Flag on Scarborough Shoal

http://i47.tinypic.com/33z68pc.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2rrud61.jpg
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Jul 10, 2012
 
The INTERNATIONAL LAW and CHINA'S Historical Claim

Chinese assertion based on historical claims must be substantiated by a clear historic title. It should be noted that under public international law, historical claims are not historical titles. A claim by itself, including historical claim, could not be a basis for acquiring a territory.

Under international law, the modes of acquiring a territory are: discovery, effective occupation, prescription, cession, and accretion. Also, under public international law, for a historical claim to mature into a historical title, a mere showing of long usage is not enough.

Other criteria have to be satisfied such as that the usage must be open, continuous, adverse or in the concept of an owner, peaceful and acquiesced by other states. Mere silence by other states to one's claim is not acquiescence under international law. Acquiescence must be affirmative such that other states recognize such claim as a right on the part of the claimant that other states ought to respect as a matter of duty. There is no indication that the International community have acquiesced to China's so-called historical claim.

In relation to name giving and maps, name-giving (or names in general) and placing of land features on maps, these are also not bases in determining sovereignty. In International case law relating to questions of sovereignty and ownership of land features, names and maps are not significant factors in the determination of international tribunals' determination of sovereignty.

Under international law, fishing rights is not a mode of acquiring sovereignty (or even sovereign rights) over an area. Neither could it be construed that the act of fishing by Chinese fishermen is a sovereign act of a State nor can be considered as a display of State authority. Fishing is an economic activity done by private Individuals. For occupation to be effective there has to be clear demonstration of the intention and will of a state to act as sovereign and there has to be peaceful and continuous display of state authority, which the Philippines has consistently demonstrated.

Besides when UNCLOS took effect, it has precisely appropriated various maritime zones to coastal states, thus eliminating so called historical waters and justly appropriating the resources of the seas to Coastal States to which said seas are appurtenant.'Traditional fishing rights" is in fact mentioned only in Article 51 of UNCLOS, which calls for archipelagic states to respect such rights, if such exist, in its archipelagic waters.

It should also be noted, that in this particular case, the activities of these so-called fishermen can be hardly described as fishing. The evidence culled by the Philippine Navy showed clearly that these are poaching activities involving the harvesting of endangered marine species which is illegal in the Philippines and illegal under international law, specifically the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

Plus CHINA'S HISTORICAL 1300 MAP AND CHINA'S ORIGINAL HISTORICAL DOCUMENT CAN NOT BE FOUND ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET.

ARE THEY JUST LIES?

IS THE MAP FAKE?

IS ALSO THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENT FAKE?

PLUS ACCORDING TO THEM THE MAP WAS MADE IN THE 1300

THE DISPUTED ISLAND HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE 1300S - The Austronesia People have been fishing in the area since prehistory

Plus that map is also outdated, VARIOUS Austronesian Kingdoms, other SE Asian Kingdoms, and EUROPEAN Colonies have emerged after the 1300.

But still

CHINA has to show their evidence.

NO MAP and NO HISTORY MEANS NO EVIDENCE

NO EVIDENCE, CHINA CAN'T CLAIM

PHILIPPINES WIN!
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Jul 10, 2012
 
The Philippines has every right to claim the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal based on:

1. History

Austronesian History (Austronesian Migration, Majapahit Empire, Sri Vijaya Empire, Kingdom of Champa, Sultanate of Brunei, Sultanate of Sulu), Spanish Old Maps, and American Old maps.

Austronesians controlled the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) and other major seas in the Pacific. The Chinese were just traders.

http://i49.tinypic.com/71nxqt.jpg

Old maps showing Philippine Sovereignty

1. USA (Treaty of Paris Party)

"According to Del Rosario, a map prepared by the US Armed Forces in 1903 was given to him during his last visit to Washington.

The map included Panatag Shoal as part of the island groups of the Philippines, contrary to China’s claim that it is not included in the Philippine boundaries under the Treaty of Paris."

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...

2. European Maps

1. http://i46.tinypic.com/4kbp1y.jpg - Spain (Treaty of Paris Party)

2. http://i45.tinypic.com/33feyvl.jpg - Spain

3. http://i45.tinypic.com/oqjb6u.jpg - Italian

2. INTERNATIONAL LAW

2.1 UNCLOS - CHINA IS A SIGNATORY COUNTRY
Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)
These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometres; 230 miles) from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important.
Continental shelf
The continental shelf is defined as the natural prolongation of the land territory to the continental margin’s outer edge, or 200 nautical miles from the coastal state’s baseline, whichever is greater. A state’s continental shelf may exceed 200 nautical miles until the natural prolongation ends. However, it may never exceed 350 nautical miles (650 kilometres; 400 miles) from the baseline; or it may never exceed 100 nautical miles (190 kilometres; 120 miles) beyond the 2,500 meter isobath (the line connecting the depth of 2,500 meters). Coastal states have the right to harvest mineral and non-living material in the subsoil of its continental shelf, to the exclusion of others. Coastal states also have exclusive control over living resources "attached" to the continental shelf, but not to creatures living in the water column beyond the exclusive economic zone.

Philippines' 200 Mile EEZ

http://i49.tinypic.com/34xkghe.png

2.2. Archipelagic Doctrine (UN CONVENTION)– The Spartlys and the Scarborough shoal are part of the Philippine Archipelago (Mainland China is not an Archipelago)

3. Res Nullius – The Philippines claimed the Island first when Japan surrendered. The Japanese did not designate the Islands to a specific country.
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4. EFFECTIVE SOVEREIGNTY – 1. Austronesian/ Malay History, 2. Spanish Old maps, 3. US maps.

1. THE PHILIPPINES HAVE ARRESTED A LOT OF ILLEGAL CHINESE, VIETNAMESE, AND TAIWANESE FISHERMEN IN SCARBOROUGH SHOAL WITHOUT ANY PROTEST FROM CHINA, VIETNAM OR TAIWAN. CHINA PROTESTED JUST RECENTLY.

CHINA NEVER ARRESTED FILIPINO FISHERMEN IN THE SHOAL

2. THE PHILIPPINE NAVY AND COASTGUARD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PATROLLING THE SHOAL.

3. Bajo de Masinloc was also used as an impact range by Philippine and U.S. Naval Forces stationed in Subic Bay in Zambales for defense purposes.

4. The Phil. has also been conducting scientific, topographic, and marine studies in the shoal.

5. Fil. fishermen have been fishing in the area since prehistory

6. Philippine Flag on Scarborough Shoal

http://i47.tinypic.com/33z68pc.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rrud61.jpg

There is Municipality in the Spratlys that is called KALAYAAN with buildings, houses, a school and other structures with Military personnel guarding them. All these show effective sovereignty.

Philippine flag on Scarborough Shoal
http://i48.tinypic.com/1497ggk.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/33z68pc.jpg

Philippine Municipality of Kalayaan, Pag-Asa Island (Thitu Island)
http://i45.tinypic.com/6zq0pi.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/jif51l.jpg

5. Common Sense – Ask a 5 year old kid to look at the map.
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Jul 10, 2012
 
Refuting Chinese Historical Claim

An Article from YALE UNIVERSITY

LINK: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/chinese-hi...

As for claims to the South China Sea and its islands based on visits by fishermen ignore the fact that commerce in that sea, and into and across the Indian Ocean was run by Malay vessels and crews hundreds of years before Chinese mariners and merchants ventured far from their coast. Chinese Buddhist pilgrims to Sri Lanka went on Malay boats via Java or Sumatra. Nearly two thousand years ago Roman merchants brought spice island products from southern India whence they had been brought by Malay and Indian sailors. At much the same time, Malays with 20-meter ships with outriggers were crossing the southern part of the Indian Ocean, settling the huge island of Madagascar and leaving marks in Africa. Even today, after migration from Africa, Arabia and India, Madagascar’s human gene pool is 50 percent Austronesian and its language 80 percent.
The modern states that are the successors of those seafaring, migrant and trading Malays lack – unlike the Chinese – the written records to show their history. Nor is there much local elite awareness in those nations of their histories prior to the arrival of Islam and, very soon afterwards, of European traders and imperialists. But advances in archaeology, in genetics and other sciences which can make up for gaps in written history, are beginning to make the broad Malay world better aware of its past and of its right both to contest Chinese claims and resist further Han expansion into Southeast Asia.
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Jul 10, 2012
 
Austronesian Kingdoms of South East Asia

Ausronesians- Controlled the PACIFIC OCEAN including SOUTH CHINA SEA before the European COlonization.

1. Kingdom of CHAMPA (0192–1832)- Central and Southern Vietnam

2. Majapahit Empire (1293 -1500)- According to the Nagarakretagama (Desawarñana) written in 1365, Majapahit was an empire of 98 tributaries, stretching from Sumatra to New Guinea; consisting of present day Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, southern Thailand, the Philippines, and East Timor (The Spratlys are within these boundaries)

3. Srivijaya 7th century–13th century - The empire thus grew to control the trade on the Strait of Malacca, Sunda Strait, the SOUTH CHINA SEA, the Java Sea, and Karimata Strait.

By the twelfth century, the kingdom included parts of Sumatra, the Malay Peninsula, Western Java, Sulawesi, the Moluccas, BORNEO and the PHILIPPINES.

4. Kingdom of Brunei - Northern Borneo, some parts of southern Philippines and MANILA

5. Sultanate of Sulu (1457–1917)- Dates back from the Mahjapahit and Shrivijaya empires, which extended from Sabah, the Sulu archipelago, Palawan, parts of Mindanao, the islands now known as the Spratlys, Palawan, and up to the Visayas and Manila.
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#5938
Jul 10, 2012
 
No LEGITIMATE Country Supports Chinese 9 Dash Claim

Taiwan is not a COUNTRY!

They want International Law to be used.

RUSSIA -

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/28137/del-ro...

March 13, 2012: Russia Pronounce its support to the Philippines over Spratly disputes with china and other claimants. Philippines - Russia is supporting the Philippines' stand that RULES based on transparency and diplomacy should be used to resolve maritime issues.

INDIA –

http://www.thehindu.com/news/article3609324.e...

International Law must be used to resolve dispute

EUROPEAN UNION

http://www.neurope.eu/article/eu-ready-play-v...

EU-Asia Center director Fraser Cameron said during a forum in Manila that the EU supports a rules-based international system and liberty of navigation. The EU believes that territorial disputes should be resolved “in accordance with international law through peaceful and cooperative solutions.”

NEW ZEALAND

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/8775/new-zea...

New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys

New Zealand supports the position of the Philippines and other allies that claimants to the Spratly chain of islands must heed the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the Department of National Defense said Friday.

MALAYSIA
Malaysia backs Philippines in dispute vs China

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo...

Malaysia is supporting the Philippines' stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), Vice President Jejomar Binay said Tuesday.

VIETNAM BACKS THE PHILIPPINES

http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2012/05/24/...

1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,” the latter presumably referring to articles in China’s state controlled press.
3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

JAPAN

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/13915/philip...

President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda’s support for a peaceful resolution of the six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

Following the meeting, the President and Noda “confirmed that freedom of navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region.” UNCLOS refers to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

AUSTRALIA

http://www.philippinenews.com/top-stories/253...

Australia said those involved in the territorial dispute — Brunei, China, Malaysia, Philippines, and Taiwan — should adhere to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which codifies the international law of the sea.

Australia’s expression of support came less than a week after Washington expressed its support to Manila over the same issue.

USA

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-news/2...

They should be following international law, the rule of law, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos)," .

INDONESIA Supports Phil.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/...
Austronesian Guy

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#5941
Jul 10, 2012
 
To Sum up

1. No International Law supports China's 9 dash claim

2. No legitimate country supports China's 9 dash claim

3. History and Archaelogical Studies Accepted worldwide contradict with CHINA'S Historical Claim

4. China's 9 dash map and China's original historical document cannot be found anywhere thus they have no solid evidence.

THAT'S WHY CHINA REFUSED TO THE PHILIPPINES INVITATION TO TAKE THE ISSUE BEFORE THE UNITED NATIONS

China’s consistent refusal to bring its claim to the United Nations International Court of Justice or to the United Nation’s International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) by itself is a tacit admission that it cannot prove its so called historical claim before a proper neutral court
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

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#5947
Jul 10, 2012
 
Americans think v r fools wrote:
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Well! If you understand LAW in the first place, you would not be here arguing something you know NUTS about!
We fought a legal battle with Singapore over an island and ICJ awarded it to Singapore although it is closer and next to Malaysia.
UNCLOS is not valid and does not apply! Learn to walk before you run!
Facts! Hahaha Don't make me laugh!
You cannot even accepted the fact that 86lb Philippines weakling will get a HAMMERING from 500lb China and you talk about FACTS!
That is the FACT!
A PINOY in denial is an angry PINOY! Hahaha
TOTAL WASTE OF ENERGY! I merely having FUN with you monkey or more appropiately stubborn and stupid donkey.
Is the island in question inhabited or not? LOL.

If it is, why would you think UNCLOS will apply you stupid Chink?

Use your brains before you flap your mouth. You're making your stupidity obvious.

So many words but it all falls back on you being a stupid chink.

If you're gonna debate with me, make sure you think first before you post.
Cev

Quezon City, Philippines

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#5948
Jul 10, 2012
 
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That is still your opinion and that is the same opinion you expressed of your parent.
Incidentally that is the the opinion by us about your moronic low IQ half chinese half monkey president who tried to date a South Korean beauty.
To him, the local PINOY gals are either too dark, too fat and low IQ. Talking of IQ. Hahaha
I am a Chinaman you says but I am not affect unlike you! Hahaha
Prove you are that dumbass PINOY with an exceeding low IQ!
At least he's not dating a hairy armpit chinawoman like your mom LOL

For someone who keeps getting owned in this forums by me as well as other posters, you sure have balls to talk about your IQ. Hahaha

And you being stupid and a chinaman is not just not my opinion. It's everyone's opinion. And you are what others think of you.

AND ARE YOU ASHAMED OF BEING CALLED CHINESE NOW???

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA stupid chinese monkey is ASHAMED to be Chinese now.

He's IN DENIAL OF HIS RACE.
taiwan

Bagumbayan, Philippines

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#5949
Jul 10, 2012
 
bigmouth has been trying to reject that he is from china since he was small. first southeast asia, then north america...but he knows deep down where he truly belongs is nowhere else but china!!
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Jul 10, 2012
 

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Again you deviated! China isolated! Hahaha
The truth is PINOY wanted to attend but she cannot. The sampans will sink. So you know hat you are talking about FilNips = FilthyNipponese!
China preferred to hold and has held naval exercise with Russia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and even India or Pakistan. Even the Australian Navy did it in Shanghai but PINOY was not invited because her SAMPAN NAVY will sink when the Chinese warship make a 90 degree turning. Hahaha
Keep dreaming! Nipponese! Your Japan Navy is fast become obsolete and Japan is very worried. NO MONEY to pay civil servants by next month if crisis not resolved.
You are talking about RIMPAC exercises? The Philippines is participating. Read the news chink.

Of course the Philippines will be there. We're preparing for the event that China will declare war and all the participants of RIMPAC will decimate China.

Why do you think China was not invited? Why will you invite your target?:)

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