Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Paul WV wrote:

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Your lack of understanding is astounding. St Peter from the beginning was given the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and full authority to bind and loose in Heaven and on earth was his alone. However, how the various ministries would be administered developed over time.

Acknowledgeing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is my key to open the DOOR and obtain eternal life! Peter used this same confession when the Holy Spirit opened his MIND to this understanding! Did not the Lord Jesus tell Peter that he would not know this if the Holy Spirit had not revealed it to him?! The Spirit of the Lord God is the ONE who reveals this truth every day to HIS children!

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>ROTFLOL, PAUL FROM W VA,
YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT HE JUST TOLD YOU.
Now very carefully, read my lips.
abortion is not in the Bible. Jesus never mentioned it.
that, it is so sad that you cant understand, is what he is referring to.

I think buckster is a big boy and can speak for himself or are you his mother?

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>ROTFLOL, PAUL FROM W VA,
YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT HE JUST TOLD YOU.
Now very carefully, read my lips.
abortion is not in the Bible. Jesus never mentioned it.
that, it is so sad that you cant understand, is what he is referring to.

So you are saying abortion is not condemed in the Bible?

Upon THIS Rock MY Church wrote:

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Great post, Troy. Thanks for the link, as well.
God bless.

since those who peter and paul taught became leaders in the early catholic church I agree with the pope.

Paul WV wrote:

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Does Jesus talk to you and explain the Scripture to you like He did with His disciples on the road to Emmaus? Why did Jesus have to explain the Scripture to them, if sola scriptura is true. If sola scriptura is true why did those teachers of the Scripture recognize Jesus as God; the Messiah?

He has to explain it to them because some of the people are like you. they dont understand the written Word.

they didnt have a clue that he had to die for the remission of sin, and that He would be resurrected on the third day.

Just as Peter didnt know either,

WHEN JESUS SAID THESE WORDS TO him,

GET THEE BEHIND ME ,satan

Lord God of Love and mercy;

We bow our hearts before you throne of grace:

We thank you that you have proven your love, So many times, by your answering our prayers, supplying our needs, restoring our souls and blessing us with continual blessings.

Not only have you provided those thing we have ask for,... you have anticipated out needs, and blessed us many times when we had no knowledge that danger was near.

Thank you for your love, your mercy, and the precious Blood of Jesus that has covered out sins
and given us the priviledge to come boldly into your presence.

Thank you for the comfort we receive from your word....That we can know what pleases you,... and
making your pathway known to us ere we lose our way.

We praise you for all spiritual blessings and worship you with all of our hearts.

Lord'

Draw all of us here in this Topix forum into you presence.....

Teach us your ways that we may some how be found worthy and faithful at you soon appearing

We pray in

Jesus Name

Amen

concerned in Brasil wrote:

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See what Peter preached as doctrine was not decided by him.
Really though if you want to take this further the Bible says John was loved more by Jesus,
John wrote a Gospel account Peter did not apparently God thought more highly of John for this task, but these two things do not make him POPE.
Second to understand his teachings they must be taken in context with all that he wrote.

You are hilarious, that is exactly what you dont do. Nobody can possibly read all of his writings and come to the conclusion that he not only believed Peter was the Rock but but that it was also a confession of faith. Not only does your response completely miss the point I gave the full text in relation to the passage. Also gave one view he gave on why the others never challenged peters position again.

Here is another. Matt 27:23). Christ, he says, had to pay the didrachma as being a first-born son, "and as Peter seemed to be the first of the disciples," the collectors came to him for information. Christ by a miracle pays for Peter as well as Himself, Chrysostom says:

["DO YOU SEE" emphasis mine]"the excellence of the honor? See also the philosophy of Peter's disposition: Mark, his disciple, did not write down this incident....'In that hour the disciples of Jesus came to Him, saying: WHICH is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?' The apostles felt a human passion, wherefore the evangelist notes it, saying,'in that hour,' when Christ honored Peter above the rest. For either James or John was a first-born, yet He did nothing of the sort for them. Then being ashamed to acknowledge their feeling, they say not openly:'Why hast thou honored Peter more than us?' and 'Is he greater than we?' for they were ashamed. But they inquire vaguely:'Who is greater?' For when they saw the three preferred they did not mind, but when the honor was given to one instead, they were distressed. And not only at this, but putting many things together, they were angry. For He had said to Peter:'I will give thee the keys,' and 'Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona' and now 'give to them for Me and thee': and seeing his great boldness besides, they were irritated." (Hom 58[59] in Matt 1-2, vol VII, 566-9[584-7])

No Paper Popes here

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>He has to explain it to them because some of the people are like you. they dont understand the written Word.
they didnt have a clue that he had to die for the remission of sin, and that He would be resurrected on the third day.
Just as Peter didnt know either,
WHEN JESUS SAID THESE WORDS TO him,
GET THEE BEHIND ME ,satan

Why do you answer question not directed at you and give irrelevant answers to the question?

jimmie clemons wrote:

<quoted text> You can't convert from being an Israelit! They can only become part of the "church", not chang their "bloodline", anymore than we can cease being "Gentiles"!

Ignore her.

I wrote the post she is replying to and she is changing what I said, which was that Paul never converted to catholicism, nor had he ever been a catholic. I wrote that he came from the Tribe of Benjamin, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

again you can easily see the falsehood of catholcism that allows them to so easily pervert the Word of God, and falsely distort the actual word of people on here.

she, her sister and paul from w va are very good examples of that

Dust Storm wrote:

The Saint also says:
"See the unanimity of the apostles," he says, on Acts 2:4: "they give up to Peter the office of preaching, for it would not do for all to preach." "Hear how this same John, who now comes forward (to ask for a seat at Christ's right hand) in the Acts of the Apostles, always gives up the first place to Peter both in preaching and in working miracles. Afterwards James and John were not thus. Everywhere they gave up the first place to Peter, and in preaching they set him first, though he seemed of rougher manners than the others."
Again, he remarks how St. Paul "gives up to Peter the first place." (Hom 4 in Acta 3, vol IX, 46[37]; Hom 65[66] in Matt 4, vol VII, 622[648], ibid Hom 50[51], 506[515]; Hom 35 in 1 Cor 5, vol X, 303[329]; Hom 8 in Acta 1, vol IX, 71-72[64-65]).
Truth matters but not for Concerned people in Brazil.

What a bunch of dung! Christ said "the FIRST shall be last, and the LAST shall be first, in MY KINGDOM!

Paul WV wrote:

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The question was not directed to you and buckster can answer it with a simple: yes or no.

deflection again. public forum. I can call you on any falsehood you post.

you are the biggest deceiver I have ever seen

Paul WV wrote:

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So you are saying abortion is not condemed in the Bible?

where did I say that?

show me!

Concerned in Brazil Chysostom saw you coming. Because he truth mattered and it doesnt to you.

I cant find it right now but basically the last post again addressed John, but Chrsostom takes the position that while John was loved, he also points that Jesus says there are places prepared for each of us. God does have his favorites. He also makes it clear the denying Jesus is a very serious offense yet he restores honour to Peter asking Do you love me more than these? The other Apostles who were clearly there. It was also tradition when bestowing authority to say it 3x and not just because he denied him 3x. Three times he told him to feed, Shepherd, tend. The greatest is also the greatest servant. Chrysostom says:

"After that grave fall for there is no sin equal to denial after so great a sin, He brought him back to his former honor and entrusted him with the headship of the universal church, and, what is more than all, He showed us that he had a greater love for his master than any of the apostles, for saith he:'Peter lovest thou Me more than these?'" (Hom 5 de Poen 2, vol II, 308[311])

"He saith to him,'Feed My sheep.' Why does He pass over the others and speak of the sheep to Peter? He was the chosen one of the apostles, the mouth of the disciples, and the head of the choir; for this reason Paul went up to see him rather than the others. And also to show him that he must have confidence now, since his denial had been purged away, He entrusts him with the rule over the brethren; and the fervent love which thou hast shown throughout, and in which thou didst boast, show now; and the life which thou saidst thou wouldst lay down for Me, give for My sheep." (Hom 88[87] in Joann 1, vol VIII, 477-9[525-6])

"If anyone should say 'Why then was it James who received the See of Jerusalem?' I should reply that He made Peter the teacher not of that See but of the world." ( He is dumb like Paul from WV right Concerned) Truth matters but not to you.

"And if anyone would say 'How did James receive the chair of Jerusalem?", I would reply that he appointed Peter a teacher not of the chair, but of the world..." (Chrysostom, on John, Homily 88, Migne PG 59:478, Giles page 164)

Paul WV wrote:

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Why do you answer question not directed at you and give irrelevant answers to the question?

It is a public forum and the answer is completely correct, to your consternation

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>where did I say that?
show me!

christian rabbi wrote:
<quoted text>ROTFLOL, PAUL FROM W VA,
YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT HE JUST TOLD YOU.
Now very carefully, read my lips.
abortion is not in the Bible. Jesus never mentioned it.
that, it is so sad that you cant understand, is what he is referring to.

If abortion is not in the Bible how can it condemn it?

Did anyone ever compare you to a bucket of rocks?

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>Ignore her.
I wrote the post she is replying to and she is changing what I said, which was that Paul never converted to catholicism, nor had he ever been a catholic. I wrote that he came from the Tribe of Benjamin, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
again you can easily see the falsehood of catholcism that allows them to so easily pervert the Word of God, and falsely distort the actual word of people on here.
she, her sister and paul from w va are very good examples of that

Oh I realize they are Satan's seed, but who knows there might be just "one" whom we may reach, who will have their minds opened, and come home! This is why our Lord God tells us the WORD goes out to everyone, and the few who are HIS will hear and come to Him!

John from NJ wrote:

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Yes, now.
Disagree. Yes.
Confused by what you said? Yes.
If the Theotokos is in Heaven and can "talk" to God, she surely can "ask" God (which is kind of another definition for pray" ) to extend to us some kind of mercy that we may be asking of God.
Having never been to Heaven I don't know if prayer is only something we do here on earth.
Regardless, I don't see how asking for someone to "talk to God" on our behalf is wrong. Someone here on earth, someone in Heaven, or even someone between those two places waiting for their final judgment. Nor have I seen that in your replies.

The Bible shows pray defines it as asking, Petitioning,praising, giving thankgiving when these said actions mentioned are directed to one in the Heavenly relams outside of our presence.

The only one we are to Pray to in the Heavenly relams if the Bible is to be our Example if we are to copy Jesus is to God.

If you are in the Presence of God as are all of the Saints that are dead then one need not Pray to God one simple asks as they are in his complete manifested presence.

I let the Bible Define Prayer.

In the Bible it is always to God in the Heavenlies no other examples are given.
When he manifests his presence to us here on earth the Bible examples refer to this define it as coversation talking to him not praying to him.

OUR Posts here as we are in the same space and time same presence is conversation, If I ask you a question or ask you to pray for me, I am not praying to you as I would be if I asked God a Question as he is out side of this time and space and thus I am not in his presence.

see thats why prays are reserved for God he transcends time as he is eternal, as he is the only being THE ONLY being that is an eternal being he is the only being worthy or that can hear our requests petitions etc. when he is outside of our presence.

If Mary can hear us now or any other Saints in heaven that would be attributing a divine attribute of the eternal God to a created being.

As all ready noted however he has given us over 200+ examples of how to Pray and it is always to him GOD, so I think that is enough to base the practice of Pray on, and reserve it only for him.

If he wanted us to pray to other beings outside of our Presence he surely would have taught us that, and seeing how he taught us to pray OUR Father in Heaven and in HIS Name Jesus only and to make all requests in his Name only Jesus in the NT it is clear to do otherwise is deny God's will for us.

Blessings

Blessings

Paul WV wrote:

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christian rabbi wrote:
<quoted text>ROTFLOL, PAUL FROM W VA,
YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT HE JUST TOLD YOU.
Now very carefully, read my lips.
abortion is not in the Bible. Jesus never mentioned it.
that, it is so sad that you cant understand, is what he is referring to.
If abortion is not in the Bible how can it condemn it?
Did anyone ever compare you to a bucket of rocks?

glad you caught on, it took several posts from us to convince you of that fact that abortion is not mentioned as I said to you as well as Buckster.

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>glad you caught on, it took several posts from us to convince you of that fact that abortion is not mentioned as I said to you as well as Buckster.

So you are saying abortion is okay?

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>glad you caught on, it took several posts from us to convince you of that fact that abortion is not mentioned as I said to you as well as Buckster.

Buckster never said such a thing. Quit putting words in his mouth; that is deceitful!