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<quoted text>The first site was quite I strongly rebuked his vile statement against Mother Teresa.He debunked all that he said by his statement against that woman of God,who is one of the truest servants of Christ that ever lived.
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It is not enough for us to say,'I love God, but I do not love my neighbor,'" since in dying on the Cross, God had made himself the hungry one, the naked one, the homeless one." Jesus' hunger is what you and I must find and alleviate."

Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa condemned abortion, remorsed the youthful drug addiction in the West and suggested Christmas should remind the world that radiating joy is real because Christ is everywhere saying He is in our hearts, in the poor we meet, in the smile we give and receive.

In her writings she does express here emptiness at times and feeling of abandonment. She asked to drink of the suffering and she gave so much of herself that I am sure it became overwhelming at times for her. People who give often and receive little are often told to spend a little me time to replenish. She wrote down her thourghts and she asked that they all not be kept as she sometimes she wrote them when most troubled. The Vatican denied that request. An extensive study of all she did and wrote and what she said when speaking with priests shows that she was no different than many prophets or people in the bible. From Abraham all throughut the bible there were trials, feelings of emptiness and abandonment by God and even sometimes emotional outbursts. They endured until the end. Their reward will be great.

Those who attack her do so because she remained a Catholic, and atheists ignore everything else she said and zero in on things she wrote in her darkest moments. They do not consider her personal conversations and the many other things she said and regardless of how much she gave of herself it would not be enough for those who want to smear someone who gave all she had and more with the Grace of God.
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If spit was brains you couldn't pucker? You mouth what you have been told by people who know nothing and feel nothing. No wonder you are nothing.
Don't get mad at me dude. You're the one who claims to be a Deacon and an authority on scripture. You are spreading a false gospel and leading children down the wrong path. You sound nothing like a Christian. As God as my witness, Im not out to hurt your feelings man. I pray I am not. You have to understand, Catholics and Orthodox are only on the defensive. We are not trying to convert you. We are just defending against false accusations....
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If baptism is a requirement for salvation how many did Jesus baptize? Just give me a number. How many?
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<quoted text>Why would the New Testament need a recording of Jesus personally Baptizing anyone, for you, prophet Old G, to believe in the necessity of Baptism?
"everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ was wrote down in those 27 books and left for us to decipher"
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say, do have a verse that says, everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ is found in the New Testament?
Assuming you believe this?
If baptism is so important how many did Jesus baptize? Come on Clay, how many?

YOUR QUOTE, "everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ was wrote down in those 27 books and left for us to decipher" END QUOTE.

Everything regarding how to be saved is in those 27 books. That is really all that matters.

YOUR QUOTE, "say, do have a verse that says, everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ is found in the New Testament?
Assuming you believe this?" END QUOTE.

Yes, everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ we need to know to be saved is contained in the Bible. Nothing else is needed.
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
Well, The Roman Catholic Church told you and me what books were to be in the New Testament!! You believe them.
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John 3:22 After these things Jesus and his disciples came into the land of Judea: and there he abode with them, and baptized.

John 4:1-2 WHEN Jesus therefore understood that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus maketh more disciples, and baptizeth more than John,(Though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples,)

John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 28:19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Does Scripture contradict itself? Christ told us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned. Did He do any of these things or did He command *us* to do them just as He commanded us to be baptized? According to the Word of God, we will not see the kingdom of Heaven unless we are baptized and perform the corporal works of mercy.
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
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Well, The Roman Catholic Church told you and me what books were to be in the New Testament!! You believe them.
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Shocking statement. Wow!! And here I thought the Bible was God breathed. Oh well, Rome did it again. LOL LOL
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
Hey, since you are the chief on biblical interpretations.....
How did the 27 books of the New Testament come to be?
When did they fall out of the sky in boxes and promptly distributed?

Face it, you believe the Roman Catholic Church and the books they picked to be in their Bible.
(well, not all of them. You guys removed Maccabees 1 and 2, Sirach, Wisdom, Tobit, Baruch, parts of Esther and Daniel.)
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If baptism is a requirement for salvation how many did Jesus baptize? Just give me a number. How many?
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If baptism is so important how many did Jesus baptize? Come on Clay, how many?
YOUR QUOTE, "everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ was wrote down in those 27 books and left for us to decipher" END QUOTE.
Everything regarding how to be saved is in those 27 books. That is really all that matters.
YOUR QUOTE, "say, do have a verse that says, everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ is found in the New Testament?
Assuming you believe this?" END QUOTE.
Yes, everything about Christianity and Jesus Christ we need to know to be saved is contained in the Bible. Nothing else is needed.
In short Old G, That is one heck of a statement from you. The Bible makes no such claim. In fact, it says the opposite.
Dust Storm

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<quoted text>One more thing Deacon Old G:
It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing!
By using Prophet Old G's criteria, When Jesus said "whoever eats my flesh abides in me and I in Him.
For my flesh is REAL food....I will raise them up on the last day"
What Jesus is really saying is "forget what I am saying now about eating my flesh, turn the page and read about what I say about flesh. I will disregard these verses and 6:63-64 will instead be used to cancel out this"
You idiot, quit trying to be an authority on scripture interpretations....you're failing miserably.
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.... For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-...
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OldJG wrote:
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
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Shocking statement. Wow!! And here I thought the Bible was God breathed. Oh well, Rome did it again. LOL LOL
Why would God establish the New Testament and not an Earthly authority to safeguard the interpretations..

Do you need 41,700 reasons why?
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<quoted text>Its impossible? I suppose He didnt walk on water either. Or feed the 5,000.
Is it impossible then, that we can be born again? Of course, Christ told us it is possible.
Christ also told us how to eat His flesh AND drink His blood.
You guys changed this teaching. Why?
Jesus walked on water, He turn the water into wine, He healed the blind, made the Lame walk. "
Feed 5000 , and if you understood this scripture in the bible you would understand Jesus wasn't talking about eating His Flesh and Drink His blood literally.
I feel sorry for you Catholic's Clay you have no teaching of the scriptures , and waht you have been taught is false.
I don't understand, God gave you a brain to use for yourself use it. Please Clay

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John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." That is the question. Did Jesus say this or did He not say this? It is a yes or no question. Did Jesus say this or not??
Read the entire chapter in context and you will finally understantd the fallacy of your doctrine.
That is not the question. The question is why would Christ contradict Himself with a totally opposite statement.
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John 3:22 After these things Jesus and his disciples came into the land of Judea: and there he abode with them, and baptized.
John 4:1-2 WHEN Jesus therefore understood that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus maketh more disciples, and baptizeth more than John,(Though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples,)
John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 28:19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Does Scripture contradict itself? Christ told us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned. Did He do any of these things or did He command *us* to do them just as He commanded us to be baptized? According to the Word of God, we will not see the kingdom of Heaven unless we are baptized and perform the corporal works of mercy.
Bull! Corporate works of mercy? Where can we find that statement in the Bible? Where did Jesus tell us we have to be baptized to be saved and headed for heaven?

John 3:5, "Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

Born of water....natural birth
Born of Spirit...super natural birth

Jesus told Nicodemus it took more than just being born of a woman to enter the Kingdom of God. It required a super natural birth thru the Holy Spirit.
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It is not enough for us to say,'I love God, but I do not love my neighbor,'" since in dying on the Cross, God had made himself the hungry one, the naked one, the homeless one." Jesus' hunger is what you and I must find and alleviate."
Mother Teresa
Mother Teresa condemned abortion, remorsed the youthful drug addiction in the West and suggested Christmas should remind the world that radiating joy is real because Christ is everywhere saying He is in our hearts, in the poor we meet, in the smile we give and receive.
In her writings she does express here emptiness at times and feeling of abandonment. She asked to drink of the suffering and she gave so much of herself that I am sure it became overwhelming at times for her. People who give often and receive little are often told to spend a little me time to replenish. She wrote down her thourghts and she asked that they all not be kept as she sometimes she wrote them when most troubled. The Vatican denied that request. An extensive study of all she did and wrote and what she said when speaking with priests shows that she was no different than many prophets or people in the bible. From Abraham all throughut the bible there were trials, feelings of emptiness and abandonment by God and even sometimes emotional outbursts. They endured until the end. Their reward will be great.
Those who attack her do so because she remained a Catholic, and atheists ignore everything else she said and zero in on things she wrote in her darkest moments. They do not consider her personal conversations and the many other things she said and regardless of how much she gave of herself it would not be enough for those who want to smear someone who gave all she had and more with the Grace of God.
I just saw an interview with Sr. Nirmala Joshi who succeeded Mother Teresa as Superior General of the Missionaries of Charity. She said none of the sisters knew of Mother's many years of spiritual aridity but she obviously didn't base her faith on her feelings, on 'warm fuzzies' as it were. She remained faithful to Christ and His teachings in spite of her sufferings. "Feel Good" religion comes and goes, it's not real. It's when we think God is farthest from us, that He's the closest. They should read St. John of the Cross.
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OldJG wrote:
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
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Shocking statement. Wow!! And here I thought the Bible was God breathed. Oh well, Rome did it again. LOL LOL
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Why would God establish the New Testament and not an Earthly authority to safeguard the interpretations..
Do you need 41,700 reasons why?
God did provide an earthly authority to safeguard the interpretations. The Holy Spirit! Are you so spiritually ignorant you do not know that simple answer.

Clay, at one time the Pharisees thought they were the earthly authority of the Scriptures. How did they do? The Pharisees and Rome are a mirror image of each other.
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Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.... For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-...
Exactly DS. Paul emphasises the seriousness of the Eucharist by explaining the consequences of partaking in it unworthily.
A mere symbol would not warrant such a stipulation by the Apostle Paul unless it was the real thing!
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Jesus walked on water, He turn the water into wine, He healed the blind, made the Lame walk. "
Feed 5000 , and if you understood this scripture in the bible you would understand Jesus wasn't talking about eating His Flesh and Drink His blood literally.
I feel sorry for you Catholic's Clay you have no teaching of the scriptures , and waht you have been taught is false.
I don't understand, God gave you a brain to use for yourself use it. Please Clay
LTM, I don't know of a single Catholic who accepts the Eucharist definition because they read about it. We partake in it, therefore we experienced it and believe. Thanks be to God.
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Bull! Corporate works of mercy? Where can we find that statement in the Bible? Where did Jesus tell us we have to be baptized to be saved and headed for heaven?
John 3:5, "Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Born of water....natural birth
Born of Spirit...super natural birth
Jesus told Nicodemus it took more than just being born of a woman to enter the Kingdom of God. It required a super natural birth thru the Holy Spirit.
It's a Christian thing, biblical....you wouldn't understand.
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OldJG wrote:
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You have proof? From? Oh, that's right. The Roman Catholic church. Wow, no kidding. Well, if Rome said it Clay believes it.
Rome can and has produced whatever it needs to keep you in bondage to their doctrine of demons.
<quoted text>
Shocking statement. Wow!! And here I thought the Bible was God breathed. Oh well, Rome did it again. LOL LOL
<quoted text>
God did provide an earthly authority to safeguard the interpretations. The Holy Spirit! Are you so spiritually ignorant you do not know that simple answer.
Clay, at one time the Pharisees thought they were the earthly authority of the Scriptures. How did they do? The Pharisees and Rome are a mirror image of each other.
Do you have a straight face as your saying that? You expect me to believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you AND confront as you argue about something as serious as eternal life!!!!
Which one of ya is guided correctly?
You're both ministers called by God, right?
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John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." That is the question. Did Jesus say this or did He not say this? It is a yes or no question. Did Jesus say this or not??
Read the entire chapter in context and you will finally understantd the fallacy of your doctrine.
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>That is not the question. The question is why would Christ contradict Himself with a totally opposite statement.
I asked myself the same question after I read John 6:47. John 6:47, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." What was that Jesus? What must I do to receive eternal life? BELIEVE! When will I receive eternal life Jesus? Now, right now. Really Jesus? Jesus said, "he who BELIVES in me HAS eternal life". Thank you Jesus for the explanation. When I believed I received your promise of eternal life. Amen.

Read the entire chapter in context. Allow Jesus to finish His thought. Then you will understand what He said. Not until.

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