Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Miriam: I found this also. Which is kind of confusing really. The purification after death is impossible, if purgatory is a process and not a place.
Death is final, absent from the body is present with the Lord or the soul goes to hell.
Time does not exist for God!! in the spiritual world there is no time at all.
Catholicim in this statement is teaching that the death and cleanse blood of Jesus shed on the cross for our sins, isn't enough to save a sinner, they need to go through another process to get to Heaven, Thought Jesus suffered the pain for all the sins of the world past present and future.
The Bible does not teach this and neither did the apostles. If my soul isn't saved before I die its to late I will not go to heaven.
This is a false teaching, Miriam.
Weather purgatory is a state of purification after death, or its a place one goes to be purified after death. Their isn't a purgatory after death period. We are justified by the blood of Christ.
Romans 5:9. Justification by the blood of Jesus Christ
Humanity must adhere to God’s legal and right procedures to be just before Him. The Law requires that the sinner should die for his sins, Hebrews 10:28. Being our “propitiation for sin” Jesus died for us. In addition, because he bled his blood justified all humanity with God. Through the death and the blood of Christ He fulfilled the legal requirements of the Law.
We are Instantly Justified by the Blood of Jesus Which Satisfied the Law.
We can not add on to this another requirement outside of God's requirement for salvation.
That is what the teaching of purgatory from the catholic church has done. Its also cruel because its a false hope, a second chance so to speak.
Catholicism
The Catholic Church gives the name Purgatory to the final purification of all who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified.[17] Though purgatory is often pictured as a place rather than a process of purification, the idea of purgatory as a place is not part of the Church's doctrine.[18

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ReginaM wrote:

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"Was" as in the Church made the determination in the fourth century.
1 Peter 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be HOLY in all you do;
2 Corinthians 7:1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting HOLINESS out of reverence for God.
1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a HOLY life.
Many men and women achieve holiness; that's how people get to heaven. Looks like your grandson has some learning to do yet.

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ReginaM wrote:

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And there you have it.
(btw, love your name!)

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Full of Love wrote:

Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

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HaireticBarber wrote:

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I dont give the sodomite homosexual perverts money. I give them your phone number.

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HaireticBarber wrote:

<quoted text>I agree my compadre.

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OldJG wrote:

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He's suffering from a severe case of schadenfreude
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The pain and trauma of the victim? If you are so concerned with the pain and trauma of the victim quit providing the sodomite homosexual perverts with the funds to defend their acts.
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Let me see, you must be what, 12? If you are a Roman Catholic and give money to your cult you are supporting the sodomite homosexual perverts.

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Miriam wrote:

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Hi LTM. Here is my understanding of purgatory.
1. Rom 3:23 We are all sinners.
2. Rom 3:24-25 We are justified through Jesus' blood.
3. Matt 5:48 Jesus tells us we must be perfect as the Father is perfect.
4. Rev 21:27 Nothing unclean can enter heaven.
5. Heb 3:12-14; 1Pt 2:1; James 1:19-21; etc. Christians continue to sin after becoming Christian.
6. Rom 3:4 God cannot lie.
7. Heb 12: 1,14; 1Pt 1:1-2 Christians must undergo sanctification.
8. Upon death, many(if not most) Christians probably have not completed sanctification since human beings are flawed and imperfect.
What happens between the death of a Christian who has not been completely sanctified [--------- and his entrance into heaven?
Sanctification continues.
[--------- the continuation of sanctification after death.
Notice:
1. It is *not* a "second chance" since the person is already a follower of Christ who has begun sanctification.
2. It is not "another process" but the continuation of one which we both agree is biblical.
Nothing unclean can enter heaven, and God Who cannot lie is not going to merely "declare" a Christian to be completely sanctified unless he actually is completely sanctified.

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ReginaM wrote:

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It's amazing that all it took was Connie's posts about the Pope's intelligence and theological insight to spawn such malice and hatred from the fundies, enough to actually wish people in hell. For people who are supposed to be such "biblical scholars", they're clueless about the fact that wishing ill-will upon others is a grievous sin. But, hey, they do it everyday.

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HaireticBarber wrote:

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Oxygen will do that to you. LOL

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HaireticBarber wrote:

<quoted text>What are you, Dude???

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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No, I am not wrong.'Get over it?'
I'll agree to disagree on this point. But please know this....
When you can define the "Church" as only a handful of organizations, and then add "Catholic" to it, you are correct. But you fail to understand, that this label was applied to a group of exclusive people by those same men, while ALWAYS disputing the inclusion of non-patrons or those who believed differently - to further decide whom is with them and whom is not.
That is the point of the discussion you so rudely try to double-talk and twist it to.
>>MY point<< was the "Church" cannot be defined by any organization or person, thus the small "c", as with "catholic Church" is more appropriately fitting to this so-called "Church" - BECAUSE it does not hold a boundary that RCCer think it does (arrogance), nor does it limit "God" to a select few (never stated by "God" - only by men) for his inspiration.
Why would you think it would?
Those are the facts you refuse to acknowledge and understand completely.
You, Miriam, are incorrect in your theology. It is plain and simple.
But you can 'get over it' by accepting to be honest with yourself. Lose the arrogance you seem to swaying around, because when you begin to show this side of you, it really is just sways the discussion into semantics - those items you seem to have trouble reconciling.
Either learn the semantics of your theology, or pass my posts by, because I address those semantics you refuse to acknowledge, because they show the falseness to your belief.

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ReginaM wrote:

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LOL! I think I need one of those things on my finger to measure my level.
I've gotta tell ya, being kind and loving and all that good stuff is very nice, but I'm reminded of a women I met sometime back. She proceeded to tell me a story. Her first line was, "You know how smokers are always a lot more fun?"
We're all given gifts. One of yours is a sense of humor. It's like God said, "Hairetic, you're going to meet a lot of jerks in your life. This is how you should deal with them...."

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OldJG wrote:

ReginaM wrote:
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He's suffering from a severe case of schadenfreude
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The pain and trauma of the victim? If you are so concerned with the pain and trauma of the victim quit providing the sodomite homosexual perverts with the funds to defend their acts.
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Let me see, you must be what, 12? If you are a Roman Catholic and give money to your cult you are supporting the sodomite homosexual perverts.
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What are you, meat head?

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Seraphima wrote:

<quoted text>You must be very proud of your grandson.One of my grandson,4 years old,is rounding around his house saying where the F is my crayons....true.

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OldJG wrote:

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Many men and women achieve holiness???? Who? You....LOL LOL LOL
What man or woman has achieved holiness?

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HaireticBarber wrote:

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What is your faith,Chief Running Mouth?

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OldJG wrote:

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Miriam you are totally lost.
YOUR QUOTE, "What happens between the death of a Christian who has not been completely sanctified [--------- and his entrance into heaven?
Sanctification continues.
[--------- the continuation of sanctification after death." END QUOTE
Sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God:“But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption”(1 Corinthians 1:30). This is a ONCE-FOR-EVER SEPARATION, eternally unto God. It is an intricate part of our salvation, our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Every Christian is completely SANCTIFIED.

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ReginaM wrote:

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Only a fundie-mentalist would think that anything unholy could enter heaven.