Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

ReginaM wrote:

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What writings are you referring to? I was talking about the canon of scripture. To my knowledge, there are no 'hidden' writings, except to conspiracy theorists. Btw, it's the Church, not 'Church'. Christ only found one, it's a well known fact, no need to put it in quotes.

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Doublespeak, my dear. Most of you call them 'The Writings of the Fathers'.
Certainly there is only ONE church...with many names (Smith, Brown, McPherson, Cahill, etc.) out of EVERY TRIBE AND TONGUE AND NATION. We are BORN into it. I call it the Invisible Church, because He only knows who is truly in it. There are many pretenders.
KayMarie

ReginaM wrote:

Come to think of it, justabigot1 probably wears lipstick, too. That's why he hates the Church so much!

No Christian hates the true 'CHURCH'. The true 'CHURCH' is flesh and bone believers in Jesus Christ. Jesus is it's Cornerstone, Lord and Savior. The 'CHURCH' is NOT...NOT...NEVER WAS...NEVER WILL BE....Roman Catholic.

Real true Christians HATE your idea of what you call the church.

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Adam tried to cover his nakedness with fig leaves...but GOD MADE HIM A COAT. The fig leaves were not sufficient.
Telling the story...and staring at a man's body parts (which God covered) IN CHURCH is a serious problem.
KayMarie

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Gen_2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not

ashamed.

Gen_3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

THE FIRST ANIMAL THAT WAS KILLED/SACRIFICED FOR THE SINS OF MAN

WAS WHEN GOD MADE A COVERING FOR THE BODIES OF ADAM AND EVE.

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==>GOD FORBIDS NAKEDNESS IN HIS PLACE OF WORSHIP...

Exo 20:25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

===>Exo 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

YOU WOULD CALL THEIR NAKEDNESS ART? RIGHT?

OldJG wrote:

No where in the Bible does God say that Mary was the mother of God. Mary was a godly woman chosen by God to birth Jesus' human body. God has no mother. Yes, Jesus is God, but Mary was used by God only to give Him a material body. Mary was certainly a virgin as Matthew plainly states, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."Matthew 1:23)
Matthew also states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 1:20)
She was not a perpetual virgin as the RCC church teaches. The Book of James as written by Jesus' half brother. Matthew 13:55 and 27:56 plainly state Jesus had half brothers and sisters born of Mary and Joseph.(See also Mark 6:3, 15:40, 16:1)
In John 17 Jesus prayed, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) He said the same thing in verse 24. Jesus did not begin when born as a man through Mary...He was only incarnated into a human body...but Jesus Christ is eternal.
"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" (1 Peter 1:19-20)
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." (Revelation 22:13)
How could Mary be the mother of God when she was born into a world that Jesus created...as John 1:3, Col 1:17,Heb. 1:3 plainly state, before she exited?? It is amazing to me how blind so many people are and how the RCC church can teach such blatant false teachings that the Bible clearly shows cannot be true.
There is not one verse of scripture or hint that Mary has anything to do with salvation. Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
So it is gross false doctrine to teach that Mary has anything to do with salvation. We should revere her as being a godly woman who was submissive to the God and willingly was used of God to give birth to Jesus the man.

I suggest you study the following words before you post further: ousia, physis, hypostasis, prosopon

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Doublespeak, my dear. Most of you call them 'The Writings of the Fathers'.
Certainly there is only ONE church...with many names (Smith, Brown, McPherson, Cahill, etc.) out of EVERY TRIBE AND TONGUE AND NATION. We are BORN into it. I call it the Invisible Church, because He only knows who is truly in it. There are many pretenders.
KayMarie

Doublespeak? Lol, no doublespeak, dear. I WAS talking about the canon of scripture. If you meant the Early Church Fathers, you should have said so. Their writings are available for all to see. I have a book with several of them right here in my home. So I'm still not sure what "hidden" writings you were referring to. Since there aren't any, it's just some anti-Catholic nonsense you made up.

Sorry again, but the Church does not have many names. God is not confused. He did not establish a church with varied and conflicting teachings (protestantism). The Church is not invisible. That's a new-found theory popular among present day fundamentalists. The church Christ founded is visible AND spiritual. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. You cannot redefine what and who the Church is, although I must say you all give it your best shot.

Non-Catholics, having no claim to Apostolic succession and thus no valid priesthood, "invented" the idea that the Church which Jesus Christ founded is an "invisible" church within each one of us, and thus has no need of a priesthood at all.
Holy Scripture, however, tells us that the Church which Jesus Christ founded is a highly visible Church as so it must be.
As is their custom, non-Catholics tend to ignore verses which are strictly counter to their false teaching.

The word "church" is mentioned about 74 times (KJ and RSV) in the New Testament alone. In the Old Testament, the word used for "church" was "assembly" which is used about 110 times (RSV), or "congregation" about 330 times (KJ). Now for "Bible only" believers, and "true to the Word" as non-Catholics claim to be, then the word "invisible" should be found in the same verse as the three example words for "church" which I have listed. The word "invisible" appears in only seven verses in the entire Bible (Rom 1:20, Col 1:15-16, 1Tim 1:17, Heb 4:13,11:3,11:27) and none of them have anything to do with an assembly, congregation or church. For the Sola Scriptura believer to believe anything, then the "invisible church" has to be found somewhere in Scripture. Is this not true? Strangely, an invisible church is not mentioned anywhere in Holy Scripture, so someone please tell me how any Sola Scriptura believer can truthfully say that the Church which Jesus Christ founded is "invisible"? I would say that Sola Scriptura believers have a double standard when it comes to "Bible only". When dealing with Catholics, they tell us that everything has to be in the Bible or it simply is not believable, but among themselves it does not, and this "invisibility" topic is a prime example of that double standard.

The non-Catholic concept of the "invisible" church is NOT Biblical. Neither is it historical, as genuine historical documents before the Protestant revolt make no mention of "invisibility" of the Church which Jesus Christ founded. It also is not workable as no one can govern an "invisible" church, but only a visible one. Jesus Christ certainly did set up a visible body of Bishops working under the prompting of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17, John 16:12-13, Acts 20:28) to guide His one Church.
http://www.thecatholictreasurechest.com/visib...

ReginaM wrote:

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If you find the art in the Sistine Chapel titillating, then you've got some serious problems.
I'm sorry but this needs to be said. You are one sick cookie, lady. You might have a few people here snookered, but the rest of us have got your number. All you are is justabigot1 with lipstick.
Enjoy the rest of your evening.

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AS PER-USUAL When you Roman Catholics CAN GIVE NO REASONABLE ANSWERS ....

YOU RESORT TO INSULTS AND NAME CALLING...

The Apostle Peter wrote

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

confrinting with the word wrote:

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AS PER-USUAL When you Roman Catholics CAN GIVE NO REASONABLE ANSWERS ....
YOU RESORT TO INSULTS AND NAME CALLING...
The Apostle Peter wrote
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

She was given several reasonable answers on this subject, all saying the same thing. She persisted, as she always does, with the big lie. She, like you, is an anti-Catholic bigot. If you find that offensive, then stop the bigoted behavior. It's your choice.

ReginaM wrote:

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Doublespeak? Lol, no doublespeak, dear. I WAS talking about the canon of scripture. If you meant the Early Church Fathers, you should have said so. Their writings are available for all to see. I have a book with several of them right here in my home. So I'm still not sure what "hidden" writings you were referring to. Since there aren't any, it's just some anti-Catholic nonsense you made up.
Sorry again, but the Church does not have many names. God is not confused. He did not establish a church with varied and conflicting teachings (protestantism). The Church is not invisible. That's a new-found theory popular among present day fundamentalists. The church Christ founded is visible AND spiritual. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. You cannot redefine what and who the Church is, although I must say you all give it your best shot.

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1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to

the church of God:

1Co_11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye

the church of God,

and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

2Co_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto

the church of God

which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Gal_1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted

the church of God,

and wasted it:

1Ti_3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of

the church of God?)

Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and

church of the firstborn,

which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

SORRY ...THERE IS NO MENTION OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE BIBLE..

MUST BE IN YOUR OTHER BOOK THAT IS UNINSPIRED...

Rev_2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev_2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Rev_2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

Rev_2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Rev_3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev_3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Rev_3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

They are cutting Christ in 2 again.

OldJG wrote:
No where in the Bible does God say that Mary was the mother of God. Mary was a godly woman chosen by God to birth Jesus' human body. God has no mother. Yes, Jesus is God, but Mary was used by God only to give Him a material body. Mary was certainly a virgin as Matthew plainly states, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."Matthew 1:23)
Matthew also states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Matthew 1:20)
She was not a perpetual virgin as the RCC church teaches. The Book of James as written by Jesus' half brother. Matthew 13:55 and 27:56 plainly state Jesus had half brothers and sisters born of Mary and Joseph.(See also Mark 6:3, 15:40, 16:1)
In John 17 Jesus prayed, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) He said the same thing in verse 24. Jesus did not begin when born as a man through Mary...He was only incarnated into a human body...but Jesus Christ is eternal.
"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" (1 Peter 1:19-20)
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." (Revelation 22:13)
How could Mary be the mother of God when she was born into a world that Jesus created...as John 1:3, Col 1:17,Heb. 1:3 plainly state, before she exited?? It is amazing to me how blind so many people are and how the RCC church can teach such blatant false teachings that the Bible clearly shows cannot be true.
There is not one verse of scripture or hint that Mary has anything to do with salvation. Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
So it is gross false doctrine to teach that Mary has anything to do with salvation. We should revere her as being a godly woman who was submissive to the God and willingly was used of God to give birth to Jesus the man.

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>I suggest you study the following words before you post further: ousia, physis, hypostasis, prosopon

I have studied and know the truth. You have studied and have been found lacking and adding to Scripture. Thank you. OldJG

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CATHOLICISM... HAS NO REASONABLE ANSWERS...
ONLY ASSUMPTIONS PRESUMPTUOUSNESS CONTEMPTUOUSNESS CONTENTIOUSNESS CANTANKEROUSNESS AND CONJECTURE..WITH NO CONTENTMENT.
IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO CALL HER NAMES.... BECAUSE YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOUR
HEATHEN RELIGIOUS SYSTEM..
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS...
UNTIL YOU DO KAYMARIE IS CONTROLLING YOU AND MAKING YOU REACT....
YOU CALL HER NAMES
IT DEFINES YOUR CHARACTER, NO HERS.

You had your week of fun, now the jig is up. Take it like a man/woman. If you can't, then don't dish it out. Save your rebukes for the romanism king and the sda, et al. And stop trying to guilt people into apologizing when they're the ones who were wronged in the first place.

When someone insults or deliberately lies about the Catholics or Orthodox, they should expect to be 'confrinted' with their behavior. Christ had no problem calling a brood of vipers a brood of vipers. Neither do I. Just because you, your wife, and Pad couch your insults with flowery words and scripture verses doesn't make them any less insulting. That might be A-Okay in some people's books, but not mine.

When we left you alone in the past you'd fight amongst yourselves like cats and dogs. This time you've decided to heap your hatred on your common enemy (the only thing you do have in common), the Catholics. By extension this includes the Orthodox since our doctrines are the same. All you've done is revealed yourselves...yet again. Way to go, fundies! You've sent more people scrambling to the Church than ever in an attempt to get away from your vile bile. Now let's hear you whine and cry foul, as you surely will.

Stange how anyone other than a Jew can claim to be the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH'. All of the first Christians was Jewish. 100% Jewish. In fact, Jesus Christ did not come for the Gentiles. The words of Jesus Himself will prove this to be the absolute truth.

Matthew 15:24, "But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Any Gentile group which claims to be the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH' deceives themselves and the truth is not in them. Any Gentiles was grafted in. If anyone believes Rome or Constantinople is the 'ONE TRUE CHRUCH' they have been deceived.

"Rock of Ages" first appeared in The Gospel Magazine, a British publication, in 1776. It was printed as the climax to an article by its author, Augustus M. Toplady. In the over two hundred years since its introduction it has surely become one of the best known and best loved hymns of the English-speaking church. Its strong declaration of Christ and His work on the cross as man’s only hope of salvation from the judgment his sin deserves, earns it a place of honor among hymns of grace.

The analogy of Christ to a rock has its roots in Scripture. Alluding to the Israelites during their wilderness wanderings, Paul writes, "For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ" (1 Cor 10:4). Paul is apparently referring to the event recorded in Exod 17:6. Moses, at God’s command, struck the rock in Horeb, miraculously bringing forth a needed supply of water for God’s people. The physical rock is a picture of Christ being struck to provide the "water" needed to satisfy sinful man’s spiritual need. In addition, there are numerous OT references to the Lord as a "Rock" or "Rock of salvation."

The specific picture of Christ as a rock split open (cleft) to provide a place of spiritual refuge for sinful people is surely drawn from Moses’ experience recorded in Exod 33:20-23. Because Moses, a fallen man, could not see God’s face and live, God Himself protected Moses by placing him in the cleft of a rock as He passed by. In like manner, by being hidden in Christ, the Rock cleft on his behalf at the cross, the believer is sheltered from the eternal death he would face when he stands before a holy, righteous God.

who attacking mother they attacking son as well father..because of that someone liked be on that place..

Jesus Christ words is perfect..they will come in my name..but its not me.

In last day they will seek Salvation but not find way..they will tell you here here there there..''its within you..i know you before..yes your real Creator is not Paul not timothy not any angels archangels saints this or that..
Your real; Creator left that you can see poor sick hopeless rejected with sorrow and tears.. rich famous leaders full of pride arrogance as well all lot others thing going with that.

Jesus is the Rock, not only for the O.T. church but also for the N.T. church. Not Peter.

Rock Of Ages
Rock of ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From Thy riven side which flowed
Be of sin the double cure,
Cleanse me from its guilt and power.

Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone,
Thou must save, and Thou alone.

Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to Thy cross I cling;
Naked, come to Thee for dress,
Helpless, look to Thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Saviour, or I die.

Whilst I draw this fleeting breath,
When my eyestrings break in death;
When I soar through tracts unknown,
See Thee on Thy judgment throne,
Rock of ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee.

—Augustus M. Toplady (1740-1778)

ReginaM wrote:

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If you find the art in the Sistine Chapel titillating, then you've got some serious problems.
I'm sorry but this needs to be said. You are one sick cookie, lady. You might have a few people here snookered, but the rest of us have got your number. All you are is justabigot1 with lipstick.
Enjoy the rest of your evening.

All I see is paintings of orges Regina, naked statues, etc. which you find beautiful and You think Confrinting has a problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch... Enjoy...

ReginaM wrote:

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You had your week of fun, now the jig is up. Take it like a man/woman. If you can't, then don't dish it out. Save your rebukes for the romanism king and the sda, et al. And stop trying to guilt people into apologizing when they're the ones who were wronged in the first place.
When someone insults or deliberately lies about the Catholics or Orthodox, they should expect to be 'confrinted' with their behavior. Christ had no problem calling a brood of vipers a brood of vipers. Neither do I. Just because you, your wife, and Pad couch your insults with flowery words and scripture verses doesn't make them any less insulting. That might be A-Okay in some people's books, but not mine.
When we left you alone in the past you'd fight amongst yourselves like cats and dogs. This time you've decided to heap your hatred on your common enemy (the only thing you do have in common), the Catholics. By extension this includes the Orthodox since our doctrines are the same. All you've done is revealed yourselves...yet again. Way to go, fundies! You've sent more people scrambling to the Church than ever in an attempt to get away from your vile bile. Now let's hear you whine and cry foul, as you surely will.

YOUR QUOTE, "When we left you alone in the past you'd fight amongst yourselves like cats and dogs. This time you've decided to heap your hatred on your common enemy (the only thing you do have in common), the Catholics." END QUOTE.

Do us all a favor and leave permanently. Actually, you were not missed and nobody realized you were gone.

YOUR QUOTE, "By extension this includes the Orthodox since our doctrines are the same." END QUOTE.

Not only are you a fake but you are a lieing fake. You are a history buff, right? Do you remember 1054 AD? If not, allow me to refresh your memory. The Great Schism of 1054 AD? Does that ring a bell? Why was there a Schism and what caused the Schism? "DIFFERENCES IN DOCTRINE". The Roman Catholics went one way and the Orthodox Church another. You remember Rome and Constantinople don't you? Rome the home of Roman Catholics and Constantinople the home of the Orthodox. Remember NOW?

Now, would you tell us why you lie and have lied over and over and over and over again? The only time we Christians know you are lieing is when your mouth is moving or your keyboard is posting.