Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Oh, He died all right. If He didn't, then His sacrifice was for naught.
He didn't really die now did he!!! I had a friend in Viet Nam who sacrificed himself so that other could live, he died and he STAYED DEAD. he didn't rise from the grave and become a God, he STAYED DEAD, that was a real sacrifice. Explain to me how it's a sacrifice if you know before hand that you can never truly die, that after a short period of time, you get to rise from the dead and continue your existence, in this case become a God. If someone told me I could live like a God for eternity, and al I had to do was submit to torture and be dead for a short period of time, I'd do it in a heart beat. No sacrifice there, only the biggest hoax in the history of mankind.

So yes, his sacrifice was for naught!!!!

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More Roman Catholic BOLOGNA...
SCRIPTURES ARE "NOT" SUFFICIENT
"We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith...because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance..."
(The Faith of Our Fathers, page 73).
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GOD'S OFFICIAL INTERPRETER
How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God's official interpreter, the Catholic Church.'This, then, you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is made by private interpretation'
(2 Peter 1:20).(A Catechism for Adults, page 10).
"The simple fact is that the Bible, like all dead letters, calls for a living interpreter."
(The Faith of Millions, page 155).
SCRIPTURES ARE NOT SAFE TO FIND THE WILL OF GOD
"The very nature of the Bible ought to prove to any thinking man the impossibility of its being the one safe method to find out what the Savior taught." (Question Box, page 67).
SCRIPTURES ARE DEAD
"... A dead and speechless book."
(Question Box, page 67).
SCRIPTURES FORBIDDEN TO COMMON PEOPLE
"In early times the Bible was read freely by the lay people ... New dangers came in during the Middle Ages...To meet those evils, the Council of Toulouse (1229) and Terragona (1234) forbade the laity to read the vernacular translations of the Bible. Pius IV required bishops to refuse lay persons leave to read even Catholic versions of Scripture unless their confessors or parish priests judged that such reading was likely to prove beneficial." (Catholic Dictionary, page 82).
"Of all the advice that we can offer your holiness we must open your eyes well and use all possible force in the matter, namely to permit the reading of the gospel as little as possible in all the countries under your jurisdiction. Let the very little part of the gospel suffice which is usually read in mass, and let no one be permitted to read more. So long as people will be content with the small amount, your interest will prosper; but as soon as the people want to read more, your interest will fail.
The Bible is a book, which more than any other, has raised against us the tumults and tempests by which we have almost perished. In fact, if one compares the teaching of the Bible with what takes place in our churches, he will soon find discord, and will realize that our teachings are often different from the Bible, and oftener still, contrary to it.(From a speech given by the Cardinals to Pope Pius III National Library in Paris, Folio Number 1068, Volume 2, pages. 650-651)
I recall, as a young boy, Mass being said in Latin....

One of the things I plainly remember, none of the congregation had Bibles. How well I remember the adults saying they were told not to read the Bible...reason? They would go crazy....that the priest went to school for eight years (this could be seven..not sure) to learn how to read the Bible...and whatever he said, from the Bible was Gospel.

My family had no Bible in the home, until I gave my parents one when I was about twenty. Later, I found that I had given them a KJV!!!!!!! Why??? Because this was a big beautiful book and had many beautiful pictures!!!!!

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KayMarie....am ready to receive your answer.....399395
If Christ be God the Father, why did He say regards His Second Coming: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
If He were God the Father, would not He know the date of His return????!!!!!
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Its a very easy question to answer,. but you will not answer, because you can see the truth in the answer....
Permit me.."Well golly gee whiz!!!! Of course...If He were God the Father.. He would know...He don't know...so He ain't God the Father!!!!"
Here is another one: "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
If Jesus is God the Father, whom is this Father He is praying to?????
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Again...you will not answer my question...because you can see the Truth and cannot accept it..
Permit me. If Jesus is God the Father, whom is this Father He is praying to????? "Dang!!! You are right!!! He can't be
Clay wrote:
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I already answered your question a couple hrs ago.
I can't waste my time on the latest 'self proclaimed Bible authority' to emerge.
Maybe your fellow Protestants can chime in on this.
While your at it, you guys can debate other important Christian teachings you all disagree on, like Sola Fide.
these are not minor disagreements either. They potentially cut you off from any right to declare yourselves Christians!
As I said: Again...you will not answer my question...because you can see the Truth and cannot accept it..

Try this one: Christ said: And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

If Christ is God the Father, whom is "my Father" to which He prayed!!!!!

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And without controversy great is the (((mystery))) of godliness:
>>>>GOD was manifest in the FLESH<<<<,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
BELIEVED ON in the world,
RECEIVED UP into glory."
--1 Timothy 3:16
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a: a religious truth that one can know only by revelation and cannot fully understand
Answer the question....
Catholics teach: Jesus Christ the Incarnate Son of God....you don't follow your religion's teaching?????
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I don't understand what you're saying. The Apostles over ruled the Bible?
It was Written by God that, "Jesus took 'bread'"... at the hand of some apostles, right?
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Then he say two recommendation
'' my mother as well
my soul into your hand ''N''.
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
24+one=25
6 piramide
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24 piramide
one
25
giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

How much you love me?

Did you see any real estate ''heart for sell''=diagram?
Then drove diagram..where?
If you are holy then how you don't know?!
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That is not historically accurate at all. The Catholic faith is the same pre Constantine and post Constantine.
If Constantine 'mixed' true Christianity, then what is true Christianity?
You do understand that the Bible was put together 50 yrs after Constantine died, right?
The deposit of faith from the Apostles is nothing remotely close to what you born agains decided to established. This is irrefutable fact.

I am confused. The Bible starts with Holy God. Then creation, man, ET.....then the first people of God---prophets, Disciples, Apostles, ET.....

So where is the "Missing Apolostolic Father's", not already known since creation, coming from, that you always refer to?

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First, God is not evil as there is no evil in Holy God. Second, it's preconceived notiones that have set your opinions about someone yu do not know.
god is not evil but he is the creator of evil by allowing satan to do what he pleases and does not stop him.

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The Improbability of Evolution
By Mark Nash
Since random events within nature are supposed to be responsible for the spontaneous beginning of life and of all living things, let’s evaluate “randomness.” The tool used to evaluate randomness is the mathematical concept of probability.
The basic principle of probability is simple: If you have a coin with two sides, heads and tails, and toss it into the air, each side has a 50 percent chance of being on the top when the coin lands. This is the probability of a random event limited by two possible outcomes.
Now, imagine a pair of four-sided dice. The probability of any certain side landing in the bottom position when one of the pair is tossed is one in four, or 25 percent. Add the second of the pair, and there are 16 possible combinations (four times four). Add a third and there are 64 possible combinations (four times four times four). The probability of getting any certain combination in one toss of three dice would be 64 to one. The more possible combinations, the less the probability of any one specific result.
Evolution is hypothesized to occur when there is an alteration to the genetic material of a plant or animal, and the change produces offspring with a better chance to survive. In animals, the changes take place in the genome, the genetic material of the sperm or egg cells of a parent, and are passed on to the next generation.
In the human genome, there are four possible combinations of amino acids called nucleotides, but, instead of three dice, there are 3.2 billion nucleotides. The possible combinations would be four times four times four—repeatedly multiplying by four a total of 3.2 billion times.
The Human Genome Project, a joint international effort to unravel the structure of genetic material of humans, has determined that a genetic mutation of one billionth of a genome is always fatal. That means for a human, a random change of three nucleotides is fatal, thereby ending any further possibility of evolution for that individual’s offspring.
Evolutionists claim that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives to man, with a difference of about 48 million nucleotides. This means at least 48 million random events must have occurred in exactly the right order for the evolutionary gap between man and his hypothesized common ancestor with chimpanzee to have been spanned. Three changes in the genome during one generation would be FATAL and stop the process. Therefore this number of changes would require a minimum of 24 million generations to achieve, assuming two changes happened during each generation.
These changes must happen in exactly the proper order, and each step must produce either no noticeable change or provide the offspring with some sort of advantage. Any negative change would stop or prolong the process. Each change must occur in a gene that is passed on to an offspring, and the offspring must survive and must undergo some further sort of change and have offspring and so on for each of the 48 million genetic changes.
Next, since there are 3.2 billion nucleotides in the human genome, the probability of one particular nucleotide being altered is 3.2 billion to one. To determine the mathematical probability of the genetic changes necessary for the hypothesized “evolution” between chimps and people, it is necessary to multiply 3.2 billion times 48 million.
The probability against the evolution from a common ancestor with chimps to modern man, using these figures, is 153 quadrillion (153 followed by 15 zeros) to one.
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and what is the mathematical pobability of a god existing from nowhere/nothing? at least with evolution we have some proof it is very plausible.
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lucifer is not my lord..nooooooo

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Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. For about 100 years, there was no authoritative pronouncement on the subject. By 1950, Pope Pius XII agreed to the academic freedom to study the scientific implications of evolution, so long as Catholic dogma is not violated. Today, the Church's unofficial position is an example of theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation, stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a special creation, and that the existence of God is required to explain both monogenism and the spiritual component of human origins. Moreover, the Church teaches that the process of evolution is a planned and purpose-driven natural process, actively guided by God.
The Roman Catholic position on evolution and their position on transubstantiation are compatible. Why? Evolution and transubstantiation are both lies from the pit of hell. Exactly like their many other man made doctrines.
evolution is a lie? then explain the evolution of bacteria that is taken place right now? also other viruses?
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no RI
I never created any you tube in my life..its somebody else..
I am prisoner in my home according satanic justice..it is as it is until real Jesus Christ return.
How much money they give you for my family members which corupt people asked trought your justice.
I am sorry i don't believe in corupt justice.
Set up evil things foor others on wicket way.
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Michael wrote:
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If 99.99% of all living things are now EXTINCT and people of faith believe God created them in the first place, then what was their purpose for God to create them if they are now EXTINCT?
JETHRO:good question,why would a god create a world of living things just so they can die?he wouldn't,extinction is just a natural order of how our ecco-system stays balanced,you either adapt to it's ever constant change or you die off,if the world were created by a god,you would be able to take a plant for example from south america plant it in alaska and it would survive,if life were being controlled by a god,it would be up to him if and when that plant would die,things don't happen that way everything has a lifespan,the evolution of medical science and physical,has changed our lifespan over the centuries,mans life span at one point was 1 to 20 yrs,but due to medical advancements it's up to around 80 if you remain healthy,i was told when diagnosed 6 yrs ago with cancer,that if this had happened to me 20 yrs earlier, my life expectancy would of been 1 to 2 yrs tops depending on my physical health,meaning if i kept myself in shape,but thanks to modern technology i'm still here,a simple pill is keeping me alive,not a god but a pill called "xeloda" it is a pill form of chemotherapy,nasty pill,but i got to take it,read up on it get an idea what my daily life is like,they are surprised i'm still able to work,my job is very physical, lift a lot of weight in a 10 hr. day,but for some reason i'm able to do it,i give credit to my activities growing up,playing all sports,bike riding swimming allmost daily, i lived near a pond growing up,there is an island 1,000 yrds away from the beach i'd swim to the island and back on a weather permitting daily basis,i did that to keep in shape to play my favorite sport"football" loved the game,played semi-pro for two yrs. blew my knee out had to quit,one of the saddest days of my life.anyway mass. exinctions are a common occurance last one was around 65,000 yrs ago that is not that long ago in evolutionary time frame,it will happen again either by our own hand or by a catastphic event,like another giant asteroid hitting the planet that has happened many times,then life will start over maybe next time the most intelligent species to evolve will be the ant,i chose the ant because it has a better social society than we do,every ant has a job does his job and bothers nobody except when defending the colony,we on the other hand are destroying our world by removing all the trees and small ponds and swamps in exchange for shopping malls,night clubs,casinos ETC. everyone thinks that in our darkest hour a god is going to appear and save our sorry a$$es,not likely,look at all the tragedy that has happened allready and god chose not to stop it,why? innocent people being killed for nothing except for religious zeolots wanting to destroy this country,because we have a better life than 1/2 the world.there will be another ben-laden popping up some day.and what will he do? succeed where others have failed?
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I hear deference story.. many town and city been build
where nothing exist less then village.
Scripture say; 'i establish your on many water as well very productive soil=as promise land.''
Many people live on farm where less people any village
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Please tell me meaning wft is that stay in holy scripture..ok i can cry every day very nice words.
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jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>evolution is a lie? then explain the evolution of bacteria that is taken place right now? also other viruses?
I challenge anyone to PROVE evolution with facts.
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More Roman Catholic BOLOGNA...

SCRIPTURES ARE "NOT" SUFFICIENT
"We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith...because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance..."
(The Faith of Our Fathers, page 73).

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GOD'S OFFICIAL INTERPRETER
How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God's official interpreter, the Catholic Church.'This, then, you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is made by private interpretation'
(2 Peter 1:20).(A Catechism for Adults, page 10).
"The simple fact is that the Bible, like all dead letters, calls for a living interpreter."
(The Faith of Millions, page 155).

SCRIPTURES ARE NOT SAFE TO FIND THE WILL OF GOD
"The very nature of the Bible ought to prove to any thinking man the impossibility of its being the one safe method to find out what the Savior taught." (Question Box, page 67).

SCRIPTURES ARE DEAD
"... A dead and speechless book."
(Question Box, page 67).

SCRIPTURES FORBIDDEN TO COMMON PEOPLE
"In early times the Bible was read freely by the lay people ... New dangers came in during the Middle Ages...To meet those evils, the Council of Toulouse (1229) and Terragona (1234) forbade the laity to read the vernacular translations of the Bible. Pius IV required bishops to refuse lay persons leave to read even Catholic versions of Scripture unless their confessors or parish priests judged that such reading was likely to prove beneficial." (Catholic Dictionary, page 82).

"Of all the advice that we can offer your holiness we must open your eyes well and use all possible force in the matter, namely to permit the reading of the gospel as little as possible in all the countries under your jurisdiction. Let the very little part of the gospel suffice which is usually read in mass, and let no one be permitted to read more. So long as people will be content with the small amount, your interest will prosper; but as soon as the people want to read more, your interest will fail.

The Bible is a book, which more than any other, has raised against us the tumults and tempests by which we have almost perished. In fact, if one compares the teaching of the Bible with what takes place in our churches, he will soon find discord, and will realize that our teachings are often different from the Bible, and oftener still, contrary to it.(From a speech given by the Cardinals to Pope Pius III National Library in Paris, Folio Number 1068, Volume 2, pages. 650-651)
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"Clay", so these items were always believed by Rome Catholics? Is this your contention? If so, provide proof. Here is the list again for your convenience.....

History of a Roman Catholic

YEAR HISTORY
585 Strict Sunday worship (second Synod of Macon)
593 Purgatory
600 Prayers to saints and Mary
750 Pope speaks for God
788 Worship of images, relics, cross
995 Canonization of dead saints
1050 Mass
1090 Rosary
1190 Indulgences
1215 Transubstantiation
1215 Priest confession
1229 Bible forbidden
1545 Tradition above the Bible
1546 Apocrypha added to the Bible
1870 Papal infallibility
1997? An emerging doctrine. Mary as co-redeemer, mediator and advocate

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<quoted text>You speak from ignorance, you have NO IDEA what the term evolution means. Evolution has NOTHING to do wit how life originated. I do grow weary of having to educate all you ignorant Christians.
It is NOT a fact that life can only come from life. Science has: Produced a living cell powered my manmade DNA. As early as 1953 and man named Stanly Miller mixed up a cocktail for life. He filed a glass with water---ammonia---methane----a nd Hydrogen, all the elements present at early Earth, he then started it circulating and blasted it with electricity. He produced Amino Acids. Amino Acids are required to make everything ALIVE. They fare the building blocks of life. Science fully expects to create life for non-life Chemicals, within the next 10 years.
Now, lets assume that evolution is wrong and that science can never create life, can you now supply us with any scientific evidence at all, that a mythical being was responsible. And please spare me the biblical quotes, I said SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE> Good luck!!!
dont waste your time educating us ignorant Christians.(LOL not angry at that)For real,open your mind to some theology. Some excellent theologians and philosophers.Most of your questions will be abswered. If you are open minded, then you are open minded about everything, not just science. Science works well when used for the purpose it was designed. It is useless in philosophy and theology. These are also the areas of some very bright people.
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Oxbow wrote:
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And...I know what is wrong....
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
John was seeing a vision. He was on the Island of Patmos surrounded by water/sea. Looking forward he was no longer in his suroundings because he was in a spiritual state. I believe this is what he meant by stating there was no more sea. Not that there would be no sea in the future.
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Apparently evolution exists in the Roman Catholic church ONLY......they have evolved from fact to fiction.

"Clay", so these items were always believed by Rome Catholics? Is this your contention? If so, provide proof. Here is the list again for your convenience.....

History of a Roman Catholic

YEAR HISTORY
585 Strict Sunday worship (second Synod of Macon)
593 Purgatory
600 Prayers to saints and Mary
750 Pope speaks for God
788 Worship of images, relics, cross
995 Canonization of dead saints
1050 Mass
1090 Rosary
1190 Indulgences
1215 Transubstantiation
1215 Priest confession
1229 Bible forbidden
1545 Tradition above the Bible
1546 Apocrypha added to the Bible
1870 Papal infallibility
1997? An emerging doctrine. Mary as co-redeemer, mediator and advocate

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