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OldJG wrote:

And why is it that in The Book of Catholic Quotations, bearing the Imprimatur of Francis Cardinal Spellman, we find under the heading of "The Eucharist Sacrifice" this quote from Justin Martyr's "Dialogue With Trypho," written in the second century:
"It is quite evident that this prophecy (Isaiah 33, 13-19) also alludes to the bread which our Christ gave us to offer in remembrance of the Body which He assumed for the sake of those who believe in Him, for whom He also suffered, and also to the cup which he taught us to offer in the Eucharist, in commemoration of His blood"?
It is obvious that the early church, under the direction of the apostles and those who lived very near the time of the apostles, did not believe in nor practice Transubstantiation. It is clear from their own quotation that in the second century the bread was viewed as a remembrance of the body of Christ, and not the body itself. It is equally clear that the wine was viewed as commemorating the blood of Christ, and not as the blood itself. It was almost 1200 years after the establishment of the church before transubstantiation was definitely set forth. Doesn't it seem unlikely that all of those infallible popes over that 1200 year period did not see fit to declare Transubstantiation as an article of faith if they themselves believed and practiced it?

You are wrong. The early Church believed exactly how Catholics believe today concerning the Eucharist.
In fact, Christ was quite blunt when holding up the bread and saying "THIS IS MY BODY".
He also says whoever eats the flesh of the Son of Man abides in Him and He and I.

But Christianity wasn't launched because folks read about it.
It was clearly and irrefutably explained by the Apostles and those they taught. No one was confused about the Eucharist then and neither are Catholics and Orthodox now!
You change these teachings. Why?

Clay wrote:

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If the student used evolution to cancel out the existence of God, they should get a slap with a hickory wooden pointer! lol

So anyone you meet who doesn't believe in God, and tells you so, you would hit them if you had a chance?

Clay wrote:

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How could i get evolution from the Bible? It doesn't talk about it...
I accept certain fact about evolution because scientist can prove it. But my faith in God and the human soul is not affected by this...
The Bible is not the only source where we we can get info regarding our being through religion. Catholics can go to the Church that teaches infallibly on matters of faith. That is not to mean the Catholic Church has all the answers either. The Church states that God is a mystery. Salvation is a mystery. Our soul is a mystery...
Not all has been revealed to us humans yet.

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YOU WROTE..

"How could I get evolution from the Bible? It doesn't talk about it..."

I SUGGEST YOU
Look the same place that you find ...ROMAN CATHOLICISM..

IT AINT IN THERE EITHER.

BOTH ARE FOREIGN TO THE WORD OF GOD.. CONJECTURE

figments of mans carnal imagination.

Geneva Bible Commentary dated 1599

Jeremiah 17:9 (i) The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

(i) Because the wicked always have some excuse to defend their doings he shows that their own lewd imaginations deceive them and bring them to these hardships: but God will examine their deeds by the malice of their hearts,

(1Sa_16:7, But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

1Ch_28:9, And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Psa_7:10,Psa 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Psa 7:10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Psa 7:12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.

Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Jer 10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

Jer_ 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Jer_11:20, But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.

Rev_2:13).Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

OldJG wrote:

And why is it that in The Book of Catholic Quotations, bearing the Imprimatur of Francis Cardinal Spellman, we find under the heading of "The Eucharist Sacrifice" this quote from Justin Martyr's "Dialogue With Trypho," written in the second century:
"It is quite evident that this prophecy (Isaiah 33, 13-19) also alludes to the bread which our Christ gave us to offer in remembrance of the Body which He assumed for the sake of those who believe in Him, for whom He also suffered, and also to the cup which he taught us to offer in the Eucharist, in commemoration of His blood"?
It is obvious that the early church, under the direction of the apostles and those who lived very near the time of the apostles, did not believe in nor practice Transubstantiation. It is clear from their own quotation that in the second century the bread was viewed as a remembrance of the body of Christ, and not the body itself. It is equally clear that the wine was viewed as commemorating the blood of Christ, and not as the blood itself. It was almost 1200 years after the establishment of the church before transubstantiation was definitely set forth. Doesn't it seem unlikely that all of those infallible popes over that 1200 year period did not see fit to declare Transubstantiation as an article of faith if they themselves believed and practiced it?

St. Justin the Martyr (c. 100 - 165 A.D.)

"We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [Baptism], and is thereby living as Christ has enjoined.

For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, AND BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH our blood and flesh is nourished, IS BOTH THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS.(First Apology, 66)

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachi [1:10-12]…It is of the SACRIFICES OFFERED TO HIM IN EVERY PLACE BY US, the Gentiles, that is, OF THE BREAD OF THE EUCHARIST AND LIKEWISE OF THE CUP OF THE EUCHARIST, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it." (Dialogue with Trypho, 41)

Pad wrote:

<quoted text>This should be a compulsory watch for all kids in schools,and teachers should try to gather up some deeper profound nuggets that comes from this video.I loved it LTM,thanks for sharing.

I am glad you enjoyed it Pad.:) its amazing what they can do now with video, and the internet.

Anthony MN wrote:

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Really? I think it's kinda creepy.

Oh lighten up Anthony its not a sin to enjoy a laugh.

OldJG wrote:

And why is it that in The Book of Catholic Quotations, bearing the Imprimatur of Francis Cardinal Spellman, we find under the heading of "The Eucharist Sacrifice" this quote from Justin Martyr's "Dialogue With Trypho," written in the second century:
"It is quite evident that this prophecy (Isaiah 33, 13-19) also alludes to the bread which our Christ gave us to offer in remembrance of the Body which He assumed for the sake of those who believe in Him, for whom He also suffered, and also to the cup which he taught us to offer in the Eucharist, in commemoration of His blood"?
It is obvious that the early church, under the direction of the apostles and those who lived very near the time of the apostles, did not believe in nor practice Transubstantiation. It is clear from their own quotation that in the second century the bread was viewed as a remembrance of the body of Christ, and not the body itself. It is equally clear that the wine was viewed as commemorating the blood of Christ, and not as the blood itself. It was almost 1200 years after the establishment of the church before transubstantiation was definitely set forth. Doesn't it seem unlikely that all of those infallible popes over that 1200 year period did not see fit to declare Transubstantiation as an article of faith if they themselves believed and practiced it?

St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110 A.D.)

"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible." (Letter to the Romans 7:3)

"Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery…" (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)

"They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again." (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)

Pad wrote:

<quoted text>Good response Clay,the whole matter concerning G O D is actually a Mystery to all humanity,we having faith does not make us wise as God is,nor does it insure our standing with Him if we continue in our sin without repentance,and turning away from it.
Science is respectfully being debated to this day by both those who Believe in God and those who cling to Science to support their atheistic views.There are countless numbers of Scientists world-wide who believe in God.Hermen S our Orthodox brother gave recently lists of well known Scientists who are a l l believers in God.
Atheists who have no respect for people of faith use Science as their reasoning for considering faith in God as nonsense and to mock those of faith.Some Atheists are respectable so I do not generalize.But there are many atheists who pride themselves into mocking anything to do with God.
That ought to tell us something of the cowardly nature of anyone who mocks,because they are basically uncertain and hate the thing they mock for a number of personal reasons.
Insecurity as to a person's stance in whether faith in God is true,or vice versa does cause many who cannot be respectful to mock and ridicule that which they cannot fathom or fully understand.
Most Christians understand atheism,because many of us have had issues about believing as well.Who has not once or more times doubted that God even exists? We all have in our journey. But the many things that happen in life,and a sure view of the world around us,a healthy look at H I S T O R Y,gives more than enough absolutes as to the great possibility that God in fact does exist,and that He is in the affairs of human life as well.
Personal testimony does and truly defines the inner struggle each person has with faith in God.
Those of you on board here need not think for one minute that any of us believers here do not understand why you do not believe in God,we know your struggle to fathom that which cannot be SEEN. but because we were willing to step over that line to embrace our Creator,we have found He is true to His Word,and His desire to guide,help and teach us in this life,which is quite temporary.
I have yet to see an atheist give substantial dialogue to what they believe is beyond the grave.

You do know what evidence is don't you? YOu do know that a fact can be explained with evidence.

Show me the evidence of facts as you have them of what exactly lies beyond the grave, not what you BELIEVE but what you FACTUALLY KNOW?

Give substantial dialogue of where you were before you were born?

What one believes beyond the grave is just wishful thinking unless you have cold hard facts of what you claim.

Everyone wishes there is something beyond the grave, but a billion people wishing won't make it come true, unless you have the facts.

Clay wrote:
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If the student used evolution to cancel out the existence of God, they should get a slap with a hickory wooden pointer! lol

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Michael wrote

So anyone you meet who doesn't believe in God, and tells you so, you would hit them if you had a chance?

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If they could get by with it

as they did in the inquisition

they would put them on the wrack

torture them

burn them at stake

and confiscate their property....

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Over and over again we have been told ...

here on this forum that Catholicism has not changed...

over 1600 years ...Have we not?

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Evidently It is only civil laws that keep them in check...

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confrinting with the word wrote:

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~~~
YOU WROTE..
"How could I get evolution from the Bible? It doesn't talk about it..."
I SUGGEST YOU
Look the same place that you find ...ROMAN CATHOLICISM..
IT AINT IN THERE EITHER.
BOTH ARE FOREIGN TO THE WORD OF GOD.. CONJECTURE
figments of mans carnal imagination.
Geneva Bible Commentary dated 1599
Jeremiah 17:9 (i) The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
(i) Because the wicked always have some excuse to defend their doings he shows that their own lewd imaginations deceive them and bring them to these hardships: but God will examine their deeds by the malice of their hearts,
(1Sa_16:7, But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
1Ch_28:9, And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.
Psa_7:10,Psa 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.
Psa 7:10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.
Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Psa 7:12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Jer 10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
Jer_ 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
Jer_11:20, But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.
Rev_2:13).Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

You must live your entire life in FEAR. Everyday you pound out these man written made up stories filled with adjectives of FEAR,

What loving God would want people to FEAR? Not the God I would endorse.

Instead of posting what other men wrote why can't you explain yourself the way you see it instead every day canned stories from the bible.

LTM wrote:

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Oh lighten up Anthony its not a sin to enjoy a laugh.

lol. There, there's my laugh.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Numbers 23:19 (KJV)

This Morning's Meditation

C. H. Spurgeon

"Take us the foxes, the little foxes that spoil the vines."—Song of Solomon 2:15.
little thorn may cause much suffering. A little cloud may hide the sun. Little foxes spoil the vines; and little sins do mischief to the tender heart. These little sins burrow in the soul, and make it so full of that which is hateful to Christ, that He will hold no comfortable fellowship and communion with us. A great sin cannot destroy a Christian, but a little sin can make him miserable. Jesus will not walk with His people unless they drive out every known sin. He says, "If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love." Some Christians very seldom enjoy their Saviour's presence. How is this? Surely it must be an affliction for a tender child to be separated from his father. Art thou a child of God, and yet satisfied to go on without seeing thy Father's face? What! thou the spouse of Christ, and yet content without His company! Surely, thou hast fallen into a sad state, for the chaste spouse of Christ mourns like a dove without her mate, when he has left her. Ask, then, the question, what has driven Christ from thee? He hides His face behind the wall of thy sins. That wall may be built up of little pebbles, as easily as of great stones. The sea is made of drops; the rocks are made of grains: and the sea which divides thee from Christ may be filled with the drops of thy little sins; and the rock which has well nigh wrecked thy barque, may have been made by the daily working of the coral insects of thy little sins. If thou wouldst live with Christ, and walk with Christ, and see Christ, and have fellowship with Christ, take heed of "the little foxes that spoil the vines, for our vines have tender grapes." Jesus invites you to go with Him and take them. He will surely, like Samson, take the foxes at once and easily. Go with Him to the hunting.

Michael wrote:

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You must live your entire life in FEAR. Everyday you pound out these man written made up stories filled with adjectives of FEAR,
What loving God would want people to FEAR? Not the God I would endorse.
Instead of posting what other men wrote why can't you explain yourself the way you see it instead every day canned stories from the bible.

While you say you endorse no God....You have you own characteristics

that you require of one that serves Him.

Jude the Brother of Jesus wrote...

Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

I would suggest if you are going to speak for some one that you do not believe in...

that you..at least...

take the time to learn something about the Him.

I am doing what he sent me to do...and following His instructions...

If you don't like it ...You will just have to take it up with the boss

Pad wrote:

<quoted text>Oxbow is your logic concerning the GODHEAD United pentecostal in doctrine or is it Trinitarian?

462

SBC....Catholic....I know of no Christian denomination that does not believe in the Holy Trinity........God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..

Jesus Christ words is perfect.
Two words yes and no.
He call diploma people scribe pharisee this and that.
He say to lawyers judges.. you shuthering heaven to
righteous ..as well no place for all of you there.

You people with diploma spreading seeds from every deadly weapens visible and nonvisible.Ones when you try remove its catastrofic result.
Don't blame others if they try remove. Its your desire
wish to have.

confrinting with the word wrote:

Clay wrote:
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If the student used evolution to cancel out the existence of God, they should get a slap with a hickory wooden pointer! lol
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Michael wrote
So anyone you meet who doesn't believe in God, and tells you so, you would hit them if you had a chance?
___
If they could get by with it
as they did in the inquisition
they would put them on the wrack
torture them
burn them at stake
and confiscate their property....
---
Over and over again we have been told ...
here on this forum that Catholicism has not changed...
over 1600 years ...Have we not?
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Evidently It is only civil laws that keep them in check...
_

Tell us about the Inquisition, my ignorant friend.

Do you know anything about It? Or the Crusades?

Of course you don't. You just wanna spew whatever anti Catholic crap you can come up with,
and know anything about what you're saying.

OldJG wrote:

Two questions?
Has science changed?
Has the Word of God changed?
Quote..........
Psalm 138:2, "I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; for You have magnified Your word above all Your name."
God magnifies His word above His name. Above His name.
His word......the Bible.

Its better to listen to the Church that called the New Testament "The Bible".
Right now, you think the world is 6,000 yrs old. You are wrong.

Oxbow wrote:

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SBC....Catholic....I know of no Christian denomination that does not believe in the Holy Trinity........God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..

They're all one!!
I think you're just trying to be cute with word play..
Listen, if you believe Jesus is fully divine. And God is fully divine.,then you believe in two Gods!

Jesus and God are one being.

''Wish''
My teacher give free test we need describe as well wrote proper story with meaning.
yes
After that next few days he bring in classroom result..excellent ..he call my name after mine not to much excellent no..he smile..very happy face..he say..i will think about you..i am not going say noting as comment now.
After one month i pay heavy price because of that.
He asked me where are come from ..mind..why inspire with this words..o well i say..I have read bible to my grandmother as well uncle lots of nice story many nights trough winter.O yes poor child realize that time ''wish=motor to have what so ever'' as well Eden
''not to wish from that tree''..
by confi