Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>Not Woogie but No I do NOT think they will go to Hell. It is Written the Truth will be cast to the ground however he also calls them HIS PEOPLE when he tells them to COME OUT of her MY People.
There will be time whneit is all revealed when forced worship takes place through economics and war and the ANTI-CHRIT exposed to all the world. Do ouy think people are going to be decieved by a micro chip when that is what they are looking for to be the MARK ?

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a lay apostle wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong. The soul leaves the body when God says it's leaving the body; when it is impossible for the heart of a body to ever beat again, the body's soul will rise up, and after seeing that they have died in the body and that they still have all their senses, most these days, say, "Oh my God. I'm dead." But they're not dead, like many Protestants teach, but with keen vision, they are taken over the veil to stand before their Creator

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Full of Love wrote:

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Romans 4
1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

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Full of Love wrote:

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Romans 4
9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Romans 4
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

WOW My Bible doesn't say anything of the such. Maybe I can get Herm to loan me a good one you reckon ? Oh never mine theirs according to the RCC is defective to right ......lol

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Oxbow wrote:

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Not my opinion...published and taught by the Council of Trent on Justification. FYI...the Council of Trent is a Catholic Council!!!!!
Catholics will frankly admit that they hope to be saved by living a good life. They seek to obey the commandments, participate in the sacraments, go to church, do penance and give alms, recite prayers and so on, in order to merit salvation.
This is supported by the following quotations from the Council of Trent on Justification:
Canon 11. If anyone says that men are justified either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ or by the sole remission of sins, excluding grace and charity which is poured into their hearts by the Holy Spirit and inheres in them, or also that the grace which justifies us is only the favour of God, let him be anathema.(see note 1)
Canon 12. If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema.
Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice (righteousness) received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of the increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 30. If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema.
Canon 32. If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (of whom one is a living member), the justified does not truly merit an increase of grace, and eternal life, provided that one dies in the state of grace, the attainment of this eternal life, as well as an increase in glory, let him be anathema.

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confrinting with the word wrote:

WHISTLE-BLOWING ARCHBISHOP
The Vatican has been no stranger to controversy in recent years, when uproar over its handling of child sex abuse charges has hampered the church's efforts to stem the erosion of congregations and priestly recruitment in the developed world.
But the latest image crisis could not be closer to home.
It began last month when an Italian television investigative show broadcast private letters to Bertone and the pope from Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, the former deputy governor of the Vatican City and currently the Vatican ambassador in Washington.
The letters, which the Vatican has confirmed are authentic, showed that Vigano was transferred after he exposed what he argued was a web of corruption, nepotism and cronyism linked to the awarding of contracts to contractors at inflated prices.
As deputy governor of the Vatican City for two years from 2009 to 2011, Vigano was the number two official in a department responsible for maintaining the tiny city-state's gardens, buildings, streets, museums and other infrastructure, which are managed separately from the Italian capital which surrounds it.
In one letter, Vigano writes of a smear campaign against him by other Vatican officials who were upset that he had taken drastic steps to clean up the purchasing procedures and begged to stay in the job to finish what he had started.
Bertone responded by removing Vigano from his position three years before the end of his tenure and sending him to the United States, despite his strong resistance.
Other leaks center on the Vatican bank, just as it is trying to put behind it past scandals - including the collapse 30 years ago of Banco Ambrosiano, which entangled it in lurid allegations about money-laundering, freemasons, mafiosi and the mysterious death of Ambrosiano chairman Roberto Calvi - "God's banker."
Today, the Vatican bank, formally known at the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), is aiming to comply fully with international norms and has applied for the Vatican's inclusion on the European Commission's approved "white list" of states that meet EU standards for total financial transparency.
Bertone was instrumental in putting the bank's current executives in place and any lingering suspicion about it reflects badly on him. The Commission will decide in June and failure to make the list would be an embarrassment for Bertone.
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Full of Love wrote:

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Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
((((if it were possible)))) they shall deceive the very elect.
I think that when that time comes,God's children will know.
Notice the words say IF it were possible.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce,((( if it were possible,))) even the elect.
I truely believe that God's children will know when that time comes.
I don't believe that His children will be decieved.
The verse say's (IF) it were possible,not (IT IS) possible.
There are so many warnings in the Holy Bible.
No one know's if it will be a chip.
No one know's if it will be a social security number or any other theory out there.
Jesus said to watch and pray.
If we do as He say's,then I believe we will know.
Praying is what we need to be doing.
Not speculating on what the mark will be.
I believe that God will take care of His people during that time.
Mark 13:23
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

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Michael wrote:

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FYI: Just so you know I gave you 3 POSITIVE JUDGIES for your post..........I know that one or two catholic posters on here gave you the negative ones.

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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>Does it specifically say it will be at the end when this Mark will occur or does it imply from that time on forward. All one can go by is it will have to do with buying and selling. If one is keeping the Sabbath the way God prescribed then we will not be as the money exchangers (buying and selling) where in the temple on the Sabbath right. Or it could be when you knowingly take the Mark because one is forced to worship a certain way, Lord knows the RCC done this in the dark ages and martyrd those who did not comply.
Don't worry all can be forgiven except Blasphmey Against the Holy Spirit.

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confrinting with the word wrote:

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well ditto...then you should know HOW I FEEL RIGHT...
THE DIFFERENCE IS IN OUR DESTINATION IN ETERNITY...
HAVE FUN...I UNDERSTAND IT IS VERY HOT DOWN THERE.

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Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>psssst, confrint, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail, neither will you!

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Claypool wrote:

psssst, confrint, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail, neither will you!

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Full of Love wrote:

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Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
((((if it were possible)))) they shall deceive the very elect.
I think that when that time comes,God's children will know.
Notice the words say IF it were possible.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce,((( if it were possible,))) even the elect.
I truely believe that God's children will know when that time comes.
I don't believe that His children will be decieved.
The verse say's (IF) it were possible,not (IT IS) possible.
There are so many warnings in the Holy Bible.
No one know's if it will be a chip.
No one know's if it will be a social security number or any other theory out there.
Jesus said to watch and pray.
If we do as He say's,then I believe we will know.
Praying is what we need to be doing.
Not speculating on what the mark will be.
I believe that God will take care of His people during that time.
Mark 13:23
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

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Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>Sabbath sabbath sabbath!! You all done more to rope unsuspecting people into your cult preaching this topic - and then smacking them over the head with apocolyptic rhetoric. Now THAT is blasphemy!

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Woogie wrote:

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Mine either. Any of them.
Strange such theories are held when the Bible clearly speaks of a day when all those who are in the graves shall rise.
Why if the "soul" has been enjoying blissful life already in Heaven?
We are told the SOUL that sinneth, it shall DIE.
Most say not really, we go to 1. Purgatory 2. Heaven 3. Hell
immediately we die.
Then if enough ma$$e$ are said, it then gets to Heaven if it went to Purgatory.
If enough $$$$$ is passed, the soul may even transcend Hell.
And few see the crock that this is.

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Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>psssst, confrint, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail, neither will you!

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Woogie wrote:

Just for your information Claypool...
The gates of Hell is not what you think it is.
What are the three meanings of "hell" in the Bible?
(1) "Hell" sometimes means "the grave."
Psalm 16:10—"Thou wilt not leave My soul in hell [sheol, Hebrew for the grave); neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption."
This verse is a prediction of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
He did not go into hellfire, but into the grave.
In Acts 2:27, this Scripture is quoted by Peter. The Greek word used there is hades, which also means the grave. In 1 Corinthians 15:55, hades is translated "the grave."
(2) "Hell" can also mean a "place of burning." In the New Testament, this word is Gehenna, or the "Valley of Hinnom," and was a deep valley just south of Jerusalem, where the garbage was burned up. Gehenna is the burning hell.
(3) "Hell" represents "darkness." In 2 Peter 2:4, the Greek word is Tartarus, not Gehenna or hades.
2 Peter 2:4—"God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."
This is the darkness that enshrouded Satan and his angels, when they were cast out of the presence of God. This is the darkness which has come to earth, because of the presence of the prince of darkness (see Isa 60:2).
Because Jesus conquered death (the grave) He opened the way for us to be resurrected.
The gates of Hell (the grave) are now open when we are resurrected.
They will not prevail against those who belong to Christ.
NOTHING to do with the RCC.