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Sep 6, 2012
 
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I just get angry that people can remain so damned ignorant to the facts that are out there. Especially when they are posting on a website, and you know that there is such a rich wealth of information right at their fingertips while at the computer, and don't have to remain so damned ignorant.
I'm always researching SOMETHING online. Last night, it was about what sweetener they use in Diet Coke, and I not only learned what they used (basically NutraSweet) but why a fountain Diet Coke tastes different than that from a can or bottle, and why it has such a small caloric content (it's 200 times sweeter than table sugar, meaning much less is needed, so there are virtually no calories.) I love to research little things like that and learn new things. That's why I come to topix. Someone who is ignorant and posting false information makes me go research, and I usually find the right information within minutes, and enjoy learning something new, or confirming what I already knew. I wish more of these arrogant know it alls would do their own research before posting false facts, and having other arrogant know it alls repeat that same incorrect information in the future. A bunch of ignorant sheaples, they are. I bet they'd be surprised that I actually enjoy them posting inaccuracies though, for it does give me a chance to learn more on my own, and it gives me a little thrill to prove them wrong.<quoted text>
I use to make one of the main ingredients for aspartame. Then after several years the formula was changed and we were no longer making it. It would blow your mind what was used in the intermediate stage of the original formula.

Even though I knew the chemical process and those chemicals involved it never stopped me from enjoying a diet soda.

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Sep 6, 2012
 
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That is what the evidence points to.
We don't make the story. We find the bones. We only relay the information
It’s a bit humorous that Christians have been gigged about talking snakes. Then evolution comes up with this crazy assumption that hoofed animals evolved into dolphins. I honestly doubt there is fossil evidence of the transition. This is why you only see the artist conceptions.

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Sep 6, 2012
 
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Mark Twain is on #4 Double Fine's list of 10 most awesome people ever, behind Fighting Jack Churchill, Audie Murphy and John Petrucci
Yeah, he's good.
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Sep 6, 2012
 
No, but the Bible that you follow and believe to be true states that the earth is flat, and I believe it indicates that it is the central point in the Universe. Many fundies still believe in things that science has proven wrong. It looks like you're one of them. This comment from you surprises me, because I'm shocked you don't believe the world is flat and the sun revolves around us. You seem to believe all the other anti-evolution propaganda BS that has been shoved down your throat through the years. Why don't you stand up and educate yourself and stand up for truths, instead of cowering behind your PC monitor, using your religion as a defense against your ignorance.
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At least you didn't say the earth was flat.
Confuses say,“He that is sure, may be sure wrong.”

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#120496
Sep 6, 2012
 
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You are wrong here, again. There is much evidence from fossils to explain evolution in many species. And not only fossils, but DNA that is found within them. We share many of the same DNA markers as other primates, as well as fossil evidence pointing at human evolution from apelike creatures to what we are today.
Here is some information of ants, to help you understand their evolutionary history:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/...
Again, you have all of this information right at your fingertips. Do you not know how to use a search engine, such as Google or Bing? It's not that difficult. You're able to make posts here on topix, so I'm quite sure you'd be able to use a search engine and educate yourself on these inaccuracies you continue to post.
I understand, that if you're very religious, you'd be against the idea of evolution. But there is only so much you can ignore when it comes to evolution. You must REALLY have your head either stuck in the sand, or up the ass of the leader of your church, believing all the lies he or she feeds you on Sunday morning, or other Bible Study groups.<quoted text>
I have been on the net and looking into these things. I have yet to see anything but assertions. I have found no evidence Ants evolved. They appear in the fossil record 140 mya and they are still here today. In over 140 million years they have remained unchanged. How is that considered evolution?

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Sep 6, 2012
 
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I realize this is what evolution teaches. I find it a bit far fetched and unrealistic. In fact to the point it is like a Disney Fairy Tale. I ask myself, surely adults don’t believe that nonsense?
Doesn’t anyone ever question the absurdity of these claims?
All the time. They are checked and rechecked and cross-checked by scientists worldwide. That how and why science continues to improve. Poor research and unverified claims don't last too long in science before somebody exposes the error.

You should see the wealth of evidence scientists has for evolution. It fills natural history museums all over the world. One of my favs is the Grande Galerie de l'Evolution in Paris. It's huge and filled with all sorts of excellent evidence. All over the world, and it just keeps on piling up.

An example of "far-fetched" would be it was all done by magic....**poof**

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<quoted text> Principles set down here in definitions indicate peaceful co-existence of logical contradiction as it relates to the word Christian. If you define Ted Bundy as a Christian then there is a schizophrenic and peaceful coexistence of logical contradiction which seems to allude many here. They are humpty dumpty definitions where words mean what you want them to mean. If you define Ted Bundy as a Christian then you throw laws of logic right out the window and enter into the realm of la la land.
“I grew up in a wonderful home with two dedicated and loving parents, as one of 5 brothers and sisters. We, as children, were the focus of my parents’ lives. We regularly attended church. My parents did not drink or smoke or gamble. There was no physical abuse or fighting in the home. I’m not saying it was ‘Leave it to Beaver,’ but it was a fine, solid Christian home.”- Ted Bundy

"Sometime during the year he lived in Utah he was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, although he was not an active participant in services and ignored most church restrictions. When asked his religious preference after his arrest, Bundy answered "Methodist", the religion of his childhood."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

"This interview took place Monday, January 23, 1989, 2:30 P.M. EST, at the State Penitentiary in Starke, Florida. Bundy called Dobson and offered the interview with the understanding that it would be used to warn the public of how his horrible downfall actually took place. Portions of this 30-minute interview are transcribed here, from “Ted Bundy Interview Transcript,” Focus on the Family. At the end of the interview, Bundy gave his personal testimony of faith in Jesus Christ."
http://www.oocities.org/campuschristians_sjc/...

Maybe you guys can do lunch in the heaven?

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It’s a bit humorous that Christians have been gigged about talking snakes. Then evolution comes up with this crazy assumption that hoofed animals evolved into dolphins. I honestly doubt there is fossil evidence of the transition. This is why you only see the artist conceptions.
Only see the artist conceptions?

I have seen the bones themselves

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Sep 6, 2012
 
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No, but the Bible that you follow and believe to be true states that the earth is flat, and I believe it indicates that it is the central point in the Universe.text>
Just the opposite of your claim. The bible does not claim the earth is flat. You are referring to the four corners of the earth statement. This is not false when you consider looking at a compass with North, South, East and West.

This is my complaint about you atheist not doing your research before you spout off what you heard was in the bible.

No, this false idea is not taught in Scripture.

Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the “four corners” of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the “language of appearance,” just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly.[DD]
In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon.[DD]
A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.” A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22—“the circle of the earth.”
Note, the Biblical Hebrew word for “circle”(&#1495;&#1493 ;&#1490;—chuwg) can also mean “round” or “sphere.”
“The Earth a Sphere—Certain astronomical relations were recognized very early. The stars appear as if attached to a globe rotating round the earth once in 24 hours, and this appearance was clearly familiar to the author of the Book of Job, and indeed long before the time of Abraham, since the formation of the constellations could not have been effected without such recognition. But the spherical form of the heavens almost involves a similar form for the earth, and their apparent diurnal rotation certainly means that they are not rigidly connected with the earth, but surround it on all sides at some distance from it. The earth therefore must be freely suspended in space, and so the Book of Job describes it:‘He stretcheth out the north over empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing’(Job 26:7).”(International Standard Bible Encyclopedia)]
Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.[JSM]
The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth.[JSM]
Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.”[Encyclopedia Brittanica]
The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it.[JSM]

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...

How about you doing your research instead of cowering behind your PC monitor, using your atheism as a defense against your ignorance.

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Sep 6, 2012
 
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Only see the artist conceptions?
I have seen the bones themselves
I have no problem believing that you have seen fossil bones. But have you seen the entire scale of the transformation of the dolphin? I already know that answer.

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I have been on the net and looking into these things.
That there is your problem. Get away from the computer screen for a bit and go to a museum. Go talk to a geologist. Hold the fossils in your hand. Ask a geologist/paleontologist to tell you about the different strata and how minerals and fossils are deposited. Then, ask them how age of strata are determined. WATCH the process. Ask questions.
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I have yet to see anything but assertions.
The Net is a good place to get info, but you need to see things in real life, too.
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I have found no evidence Ants evolved.
They appear in the fossil record 140 mya and they are still here today.
Have you any idea how rare fossilisation is? And then to find it... Ant sized fossils are even more scarce. Also, ecsoskeletons do not fossilise as easy as bone.
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In over 140 million years they have remained unchanged.
Anatomically, that is
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How is that considered evolution?
Ants are generalists and very, very successful. Why change when they are so very successful?

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Sep 6, 2012
 
You won't believe anything unless it says Jesus did it.
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<quoted text>I just find it absurd to image dolphins evolving from hoofed animals.

I donÂ’t trust anything coming out of Pakistan. You will notice the pictures displayed in Wiki are artist conceptions. Someone has been hoodwinked and itÂ’s not me.

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You mean you went to creationist sites and couldn't find anything.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>I have been on the net and looking into these things. I have yet to see anything but assertions. I have found no evidence Ants evolved. They appear in the fossil record 140 mya and they are still here today. In over 140 million years they have remained unchanged. How is that considered evolution?

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Just the opposite of your claim. The bible does not claim the earth is flat. You are referring to the four corners of the earth statement. This is not false when you consider looking at a compass with North, South, East and West.
This is my complaint about you atheist not doing your research before you spout off what you heard was in the bible.
No, this false idea is not taught in Scripture.
Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the “four corners” of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the “language of appearance,” just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly.[DD]
In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon.[DD]
A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.” A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22—“the circle of the earth.”
Note, the Biblical Hebrew word for “circle”(&#1495;&#1493 ;&#1490;—chuwg) can also mean “round” or “sphere.”
“The Earth a Sphere—Certain astronomical relations were recognized very early. The stars appear as if attached to a globe rotating round the earth once in 24 hours, and this appearance was clearly familiar to the author of the Book of Job, and indeed long before the time of Abraham, since the formation of the constellations could not have been effected without such recognition. But the spherical form of the heavens almost involves a similar form for the earth, and their apparent diurnal rotation certainly means that they are not rigidly connected with the earth, but surround it on all sides at some distance from it. The earth therefore must be freely suspended in space, and so the Book of Job describes it:‘He stretcheth out the north over empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing’(Job 26:7).”(International Standard Bible Encyclopedia)]
Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.[JSM]
The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth.[JSM]
Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.”[Encyclopedia Brittanica]
The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it.[JSM]
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...
How about you doing your research instead of cowering behind your PC monitor, using your atheism as a defense against your ignorance.
1) A circle is not a sphere. Any definition of 'circle = sphere' is utterly wrong.

2) A direction is not a 'corner'

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All the time. They are checked and rechecked and cross-checked by scientists worldwide. That how and why science continues to improve. Poor research and unverified claims don't last too long in science before somebody exposes the error.
You should see the wealth of evidence scientists has for evolution. It fills natural history museums all over the world. One of my favs is the Grande Galerie de l'Evolution in Paris. It's huge and filled with all sorts of excellent evidence. All over the world, and it just keeps on piling up.
An example of "far-fetched" would be it was all done by magic....**poof**
I don’t doubt the fact there are lots of fossils from millions of years ago.

But what I do doubt is the crazy claims like hoofed animals evolved into dolphins.

Many of the animals in those fossils have been unchanged in millions of years. Not a good argument for evolution.

I fact there are plenty of fossils but the transitional fossils seem to be non existent.

We don’t need you worrying about defending this evolution. It’s a lost cause.

We need you designing a car that can go coast to coast on all electric with no recharge and the air conditioning going full blast.

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#120507
Sep 6, 2012
 
USA National Democratic Convention.

God is out, then God is in, even though the vote is God is out.

Then Jerusalem is out, then Jerusalem is in, even though the vote is Jerusalem is out.

It looks like the Democrats need the Jewish and Christian vote. After they get it, God is out and Jerusalem is out.

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USA National Democratic Convention.
God is out, then God is in, even though the vote is God is out.
Then Jerusalem is out, then Jerusalem is in, even though the vote is Jerusalem is out.
It looks like the Democrats need the Jewish and Christian vote. After they get it, God is out and Jerusalem is out.
And the vote on god itself is unconstitutional.

God is not a political issue.

This is why christianity must go.

It can't mind its own business.

“There is no god.”

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And the vote on god itself is unconstitutional.
God is not a political issue.
This is why christianity must go.
It can't mind its own business.
"God is not a political issue."

Agreed.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I don’t doubt the fact there are lots of fossils from millions of years ago.
But what I do doubt is the crazy claims like hoofed animals evolved into dolphins.
Many of the animals in those fossils have been unchanged in millions of years. Not a good argument for evolution.
I fact there are plenty of fossils but the transitional fossils seem to be non existent.
We don’t need you worrying about defending this evolution. It’s a lost cause.
We need you designing a car that can go coast to coast on all electric with no recharge and the air conditioning going full blast.
You're the lost cause.

And if anybody finds a way to build a car like that, I will guarantee they will be intelligent enough to understand evolution.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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**SNIPPED**Judges 19 is an account of what happens when there is no righteous leadership. The country was without a leader. Sin began to manifest itself. In this particular story the sin of homosexuality is revealed. Very similar to what happened to Lot. It is important to understand because this story is in the bible. It is not an endorsement of homosexuality or the sin of rape and murder.
It’s a story of what happens in the absence of civil authorities.**SNIPPED
.. what would occur if neither side could use the bible or science to support or refute a position ??..

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