Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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And just look how many movies have the about to retire cop die just before the end, only to motivate his partner into killing the baddies.
Evil God, evil Writers.

21Jun12

You are the REAL symbol of evil hereIN this Topic.

...you hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist eeejit.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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It is very important to know, has all the prophecies, about jesus, been fulfilled? ALL Prophecies.

What prophecies about Jesus have not been fulfilled? post them.

Don't you think Lucifer knew God would create the Human? of course he knew. Reason for the war. Lucifer wanted the worship from humans. He wanted to be God. So you are right there was war. But this shows how powerful Lucifer was:

"Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created, Until unrighteousness was found in you. 16 "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire. 17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you." (Ezekiel 28:12-17)

Satan is an extraordinary powerful being, and you're no match for Satan in your own power. You need God's power through Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit.

And thus....you do worship Satan. You ever heard the greatest trick Satan ever pulled, is to convince mankind that he does not exist :) You're convinced Satan does not exist. or are you? <wink>

Again, you have no idea how long the physical earth was in existence before God created Adam. I don't take the 7 day creation as literal. The bible states 1 day unto God is like a thousand yrs.
Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

a day could be like 10k yrs, 100,000yrs or even 1 billion yrs or 100 billion yrs. You don't know. And you will never know.

Actually I don't know that the earth is billions of yrs old. The dating criteria to date the earth is extremely flawed. I'm just saying God could have done it in billions or as little as 7 days before He created Adam. We won't know and we will never know, because God will not reveal.

God did not create a book that would confuse humans. God intended the bible to be understood by those enlightened by the Holy Spirit. The bible was written for believers, not for you. You're confused by the bible because you're reading a document not meant for you because you do not belong to Jesus Christ. Authentic Holy Spirit filled Christians agree on most of the bible.

Its those people that don't believe Jesus is God, Christian or non Christian that are confused by the bible.

You accepting Jesus as a child does not matter. If your parents told you to batman was God as a child you would believe it. Its now that you're an adult with understanding of how the world works that makes you responsible.

My beliefs and faith are based on subjective personal evidence that Jesus Christ is God. Its my realty that's relevant. Your realty is not relevant to me atheist.

Man will never know how this world and humans originated, because God chose not to reveal that process. Flying is mostly physics. Physics is a legitimate science. Abiogenesis and theories concerning the origination of humans and universe, are not legitimate. Those are junk science and pseudo-science. And legitimate science will and is destroying those junk and pseudo-science myth that your religion is based on atheist.

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>I wish I could recall who pointed it out, so I could give attribution, but I can't recall.
The rebellion of the Light-Bearer and a third of the angels of Heaven (who thought that those were good odds, BTW?) clearly indicates that those angels, at least, had free will.
I'd thought that that was a human prerogative?

thing with angels, is that when they go corrupt, there is no redemption for them.

When you go corrupt, you can always repent and make Jesus Christ your lord and savior.

Jesus died for you, not angels. You have grace, angels don't.

You were made in the image of God with emotions love, hate, compassion, anger, etc. Angels have no such emotions. angels were not made in the image of God. Angels were made spiritually perfect. You were born physically flawed.

How can an angel go corrupt? that is not revealed in the bible. But by the little revealed in the bible about them, we know they can and have went corrupt.

_BobLoblah_ wrote:

<quoted text>21Jun12
You are the REAL symbol of evil hereIN this Topic.
...you hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist eeejit.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

If that's true, why are you always the first to post insults to me?

Just look what you write - yours is a religion of hate, Boblalhaljbah, a religion of hating groups of people. Anyone, anyone unlike you. What a sick and twisted religion you have.

To prove it, you'll post more hate toward me and others here. That's the best you can do.

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>thing with angels, is that when they go corrupt, there is no redemption for them.
When you go corrupt, you can always repent and make Jesus Christ your lord and savior.
Jesus died for you, not angels. You have grace, angels don't.
You were made in the image of God with emotions love, hate, compassion, anger, etc. Angels have no such emotions. angels were not made in the image of God. Angels were made spiritually perfect. You were born physically flawed.
How can an angel go corrupt? that is not revealed in the bible. But by the little revealed in the bible about them, we know they can and have went corrupt.

If your deity is perfect, then it created angels to go corrupt. God therefore wanted satan.

KittenKoder wrote:

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However, christians must have a reward to act good, that has always been the point to the assertion that "absolute morality is from god." Therefore, without a reward, you are just doing it for your own ego, your own vanity. Or, you know in your mind that you are wrong but are attempting to convert yourself by preaching to those who do not believe in your mythology.
You have way of hiding that you are either not really a believer, or you are vain and arrogant.

We do it, because Jesus simply said to go forth and tell the world the Gospel <shrugs>. Has nothing to do with convincing myself. You just twist your mind into thinking Christians don't really believe the Christian theology...Because ..>>You<< do not want to acknowledge in your mind that the Christian theology could be true.

Because if you acknowledge in your mind that the Christian really believes the Christian theology, then you have to also acknowledge in your mind that Jesus Christ is God....and surely...you want nothing to do with that truth. That's a you problem.

You're easy to figure out atheist. I have read enough atheist worldview to know why you're so obsessed with Christianity.

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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There is no truth in faith.

so why are you an atheist?:)

Aura Mytha wrote:

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Magical fruit , talking snakes , virgin birth , the dead rising.
Take your pick and tell me which one is found to be true.

random energy=BANG=universe=earth=non life=life= marilyn monroe.

Take your pick and tell me which one of those equation is found to be true?

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>thing with angels, is that when they go corrupt, there is no redemption for them.

Do you have any factual evidence for this or is it an assumption that you make based on what you have been told?(see the last paragraph of your post)

bossdrop wrote:

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When you go corrupt, you can always repent and make Jesus Christ your lord and savior.

Or you could always say –‘oops sorry, I won’t do it again’, it will do you just as much good. Personally I’d rather be me and do what I believe to be right based on life today rather than what a bronze age book and the zealots who follow it say I should do.

bossdrop wrote:

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Jesus died for you, not angels. You have grace, angels don't.

The person you know as Jesus died because he was executed for crimes of terrorism

bossdrop wrote:

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You were made in the image of God with emotions love, hate, compassion, anger, etc. Angels have no such emotions. angels were not made in the image of God. Angels were made spiritually perfect. You were born physically flawed.

Nah, humanity had been around thousands of years before god was invented, effectively god was made in the image of bronze age man along with their penchant for genocide, child murder and rape, it’s in the babble all you have to do is read it without the blinkers of religion.

bossdrop wrote:

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How can an angel go corrupt? that is not revealed in the bible. But by the little revealed in the bible about them, we know they can and have went corrupt.

See your first paragraph

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>random energy=BANG=universe=earth=non life=life= marilyn monroe.
Take your pick and tell me which one of those equation is found to be true?

E=MC^2

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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Hi Boss!
How's your trip going?
(btw, the Bible doesn't say the Earth is 6000 yrs old - that was Bishop Ussher in the 17th centry. Not even the Catholics believe him now.)

Of course the bible never states such a thing. God did not reveal how old the earth is to mankind.

My Asia trip is not until September. I stop over in Korea. You still in Japan? want to meet me in Seoul for tea?

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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If your deity is perfect, then it created angels to go corrupt. God therefore wanted satan.

agreed.

ChristineM wrote:

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E=MC^2

that has nothing to do with the origination of the universe or mankind.

ChristineM wrote:

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Do you have any factual evidence for this or is it an assumption that you make based on what you have been told?(see the last paragraph of your post)
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Or you could always say –‘oops sorry, I won’t do it again’, it will do you just as much good. Personally I’d rather be me and do what I believe to be right based on life today rather than what a bronze age book and the zealots who follow it say I should do.
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The person you know as Jesus died because he was executed for crimes of terrorism
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Nah, humanity had been around thousands of years before god was invented, effectively god was made in the image of bronze age man along with their penchant for genocide, child murder and rape, it’s in the babble all you have to do is read it without the blinkers of religion.
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See your first paragraph

Well if angels could be redeemed, there would be hope for Satan. There is no hope for that angel.

Sounds like you want to be your own "god". Right in line with the atheistic belief system.

Jesus died...but he rose...because He is God. God can't stay dead.

God has always been. God is not an invention...but God invented you. and he will do with your eternity, as he sees fit.

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>that has nothing to do with the origination of the universe or mankind.

Wrong

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>thing with angels, is that when they go corrupt, there is no redemption for them.
When you go corrupt, you can always repent and make Jesus Christ your lord and savior.
Jesus died for you, not angels. You have grace, angels don't.
You were made in the image of God with emotions love, hate, compassion, anger, etc. Angels have no such emotions. angels were not made in the image of God. Angels were made spiritually perfect. You were born physically flawed.
How can an angel go corrupt? that is not revealed in the bible. But by the little revealed in the bible about them, we know they can and have went corrupt.

So, angels have free will.

Good to know.

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>Well if angels could be redeemed, there would be hope for Satan. There is no hope for that angel.
Sounds like you want to be your own "god". Right in line with the atheistic belief system.
Jesus died...but he rose...because He is God. God can't stay dead.
God has always been. God is not an invention...but God invented you. and he will do with your eternity, as he sees fit.

That is not proof, that is just your opinion.

Wrong – again. It must be the christian way to believe that because a person does not want to believe what they believe it means that they want to be their own god, very sad of you really

Wrong – again. Look it up and learn a little about the guy known as Judas the Galilean or Judas of the Sicari, later known as Jesus. Also look up “Julius Abdes Pantera” The Talmund and other contemporary documents say he was the father of the guy who later became known as jesus. Finally look at “the Fourth Philosophy”, the terrorist group that the guy later known as jesus was a member. Or then again you could remain blissfully ignorant of the truth.

Wrong – yet again please supply any reference to the abrahamic god prior to the Old testiment – Unless of course you want to use the sun god of Akhenaten as the source of your god.

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>I wish I could recall who pointed it out, so I could give attribution, but I can't recall.
The rebellion of the Light-Bearer and a third of the angels of Heaven (who thought that those were good odds, BTW?) clearly indicates that those angels, at least, had free will.
I'd thought that that was a human prerogative?

None of that is in the Bible. In fact the book it comes from was banned from the Bible and the Jewish canon.
It is in a book that even the Jews didn't consider 'inspired'; The Book of Enoch. It is a known work of fiction just like the books it inspired, Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's The Divine Comedy. The latter being qwhere most of Christianity gets it's Satan/Hell doctrine from.

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>What prophecies about Jesus have not been fulfilled? post them.....

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

bossdrop wrote:

<quoted text>thing with angels, is that when they go corrupt, there is no redemption for them.....

Please cite where the OT says such a thing!

You love to make sh!t up!