Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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There

#104953 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Ha!. weak. And you're still a coward.
Anyone can get courage, you will still be a proven liar.

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Seattle

#104954 Jun 1, 2012
wolverine wrote:
<quoted text>
Not Even Close....Try Again
Closer than you will ever admit. I know, knowledge is hard to take, but you can be a big girl and take it.

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There

#104955 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know. See if you can use your religion and turn a shovel into an anteater and maybe you will get an answer :)
I can turn rocks into a shovel.

I must be in league with Satan, or God, according to your beliefs.

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There

#104956 Jun 1, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, what evidence do you have for Bigfoot?
Video and footprints trump a story in a book.

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Since: Jul 11

There

#104957 Jun 1, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one claiming he is not real...
You claim Zeus is not real. Can you prove that ?
We have lots of Greek books that are as much 'eye witnesses to Zeus' as your Bible is 'eyewitness to God and Jesus'.

So, prove Zeus is not real!

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Atl.

#104958 Jun 1, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
1. The fossil record cannot be complete, b/c of its nature.
2. We have tons of "transitional" forms - tons and tons. The main arguments in human evolution are where to put them all.
<quoted text>
1. The fossil record is not complete. Soft bodies don't fossilize well. Read more about the Cambrian explosion and evolution to understand what went on here or I can answer this for you in great detail, but it will take a lot of writing.
<quoted text>
That's false. They've changed quite a bit at the level of genetics and traits.
<quoted text>
Read contradictory claims on this one - the creationists seemed to have invented a lot of fiction to discredit it.
<quoted text>
He was overzealous in his presentation. He was a bit off because he did not quite grasp how evolution works. It doesn't just build new developmental stages over old ones. Rather, mutation affects genes and gene pools change over time. Thus, similarities may exist in development because of similar ancestral conditions but massive differences may also exist because of divergent phylogenetic paths.
<quoted text>
His experiments led to newer experiments. What's the problem?
<quoted text>
No idea. We don't really need them - there are multiple examples of eye evolution, everywhere we look. The eye evolved at least 47 separate times. These eyes are not trying to be like ours, they're are under their own selection pressure, going their own phylogenetic path.
Now, your turn:
1. How can a perfect deity create an imperfect world where almost all species go extinct?
2. Why would Creation lead to 4 times as many parasite species as free living ones?
3. Why does a perfect deity Create a world that looks precisely as if evolution happened - from the examples we can measure in real time (pathogen evolution, genetic change in all extant populations, physical laws we can measure that tell us how old the universe is, geological stratification, etc)- to all the indirect morphological evidence?
4. How can creationism be used to produce a framework theory for all of the biological sciences? Please present the theory and one example of how we can draw hypotheses from it.
5. Why do creationists spend all of their time baselessly attacking evolution and none of their time putting forth actual, testable theories and hypotheses?
6. Why are there no biological scientists who are creationists? Why are there no creationist technologies - no creationist medicines, gene therapy, representation in science, institutions of higher learning or research institutions?
7. Why shouldn't I, a trained scientist, laugh at your claims when you can't answer a single one of my questions with any kind of rigor that we expect from science?
1. The fossil record refutes your religion.
2. Same as one.
1. Same
2.Ask God when you see Him.
3.Species to species evolution like a fish turning into a goat are the fairy tale teaching and pseudo science doctrine of your religion.
4.Ask God when you see Him.
5.Because Scientists have not put forth any evidence that humans evolved from any other species. Its all nonsensical pseudo-science that allows suckers like you to use to back a religious doctrine you have always wanted to believe. So crack scientist like yourself just believed "no God"...then went and created nonsensical theories and hypothesis to back your religious claims LOL. silly atheist.
6.How do you know that there are no biologists that are creationist? I don't believe you're an actual atheist.
7.I laugh at you atheist. So feel free to laugh at religion. Laugh until you choke. You will die, and you will meet Jesus Christ. You won't be laughing less than a second after you meet the Christ and you're damned.

Any further response can be summed up in the next post from a previous thread.

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Atl.

#104959 Jun 1, 2012
The fossil record is in perfect accord with the modern Theory of Evolution. There is no lack of transitional species. In a very real sense all species are transitional, but even ignoring that, there are numerous significant transitional species. You're absolutely wrong there. This is what evolutionary biologist Robert Carroll says "Very few intermediates between groups are known from the fossil records". Thats what a evolutionist biologists says. The example what evolutionists used...the archhaeopteryx bird was concluded it had No relation to modern birds, it was a dead end. The fossil records disputes Evolution, not proves it. Above addresses your second refutal. third refutal. I agree there were changes in the beak. but the finches when Darwin saqw them, He states the finches evolved from one single finch species. in 1991 "scientific american" Darwinist Peter Grant says.."natura l selection would transform one species into another withinn 200yrs" its been 170 yrs since Darwin observed...there are still 13 finches..to this day. an evolutionist biologist says that..not me. The finches claim is false. fourth refutal...No Mr viking...it wasnt creationist that deemed the peppered moth example fraud. In a 2002 article in the "new york times" acknoeledge the example was a fraud. But for more credential this is what American lepidopterist says.."pepper ed moths do not rest on tree trunks, but on the underside of high branches". it turned out Viking..that the experiment was rigged. "the new york times" wrote 'the most famous example of evolution in action, must now become the infamous. fifth. Com'on Viking, why are you defending Haeckels??. you know better. This one is easy. British embryologist michael richardson published the actual photos in the "journal anatomy and embtyology august 1997 edition". richardson said its the most famous fake in history. sixth. you are very wrong. this is why the miller-urey experiment is important for evolution. for many years, there was no connection between non-life and life. so the failure of the experiment was extremely important to evolution, because it should show how after the big bang...life could begin. the experiment could not even produce amino acids which are not even protiens muchless life. There is no connection today in the theory of evolution that connects non-life to life. Your last refutal, the eye..you sourced . E. Nilsson and S. Pelger's article, "A pessimistic estimate of the time required for an eye to evolve" (Proceedings of the Royal Society B, 1994, v.. 256, pp. 53-58). In the "politically incorrect guide to science". page 210 washington DC REGNEY 2005" The notion that there is somewhere a computer model of the evolutionaty development of the eye, is an urban myth. such a model does not exise. Richard Dawkins, the senior author of the study based his claim on DAN E. NILSSON, has explicitly rejected the idea that his lab has ever produced a computer simulation of the eye's development.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104960 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>
1. The fossil record refutes your religion.
2. Same as one.
1. Same
2.Ask God when you see Him.
3.Species to species evolution like a fish turning into a goat are the fairy tale teaching and pseudo science doctrine of your religion.
4.Ask God when you see Him.
5.Because Scientists have not put forth any evidence that humans evolved from any other species. Its all nonsensical pseudo-science that allows suckers like you to use to back a religious doctrine you have always wanted to believe. So crack scientist like yourself just believed "no God"...then went and created nonsensical theories and hypothesis to back your religious claims LOL. silly atheist.
6.How do you know that there are no biologists that are creationist? I don't believe you're an actual atheist.
7.I laugh at you atheist. So feel free to laugh at religion. Laugh until you choke. You will die, and you will meet Jesus Christ. You won't be laughing less than a second after you meet the Christ and you're damned.
Any further response can be summed up in the next post from a previous thread.
You are so deluded you cannot discern between fact and fiction. I still feel sorry for your blindness.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104961 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
The fossil record is in perfect accord with the modern Theory of Evolution. There is no lack of transitional species. In a very real sense all species are transitional, but even ignoring that, there are numerous significant transitional species. You're absolutely wrong there. This is what evolutionary biologist Robert Carroll says "Very few intermediates between groups are known from the fossil records". Thats what a evolutionist biologists says. The example what evolutionists used...the archhaeopteryx bird was concluded it had No relation to modern birds, it was a dead end. The fossil records disputes Evolution, not proves it. Above addresses your second refutal. third refutal. I agree there were changes in the beak. but the finches when Darwin saqw them, He states the finches evolved from one single finch species. in 1991 "scientific american" Darwinist Peter Grant says.."natura l selection would transform one species into another withinn 200yrs" its been 170 yrs since Darwin observed...there are still 13 finches..to this day. an evolutionist biologist says that..not me. The finches claim is false. fourth refutal...No Mr viking...it wasnt creationist that deemed the peppered moth example fraud. In a 2002 article in the "new york times" acknoeledge the example was a fraud. But for more credential this is what American lepidopterist says.."pepper ed moths do not rest on tree trunks, but on the underside of high branches". it turned out Viking..that the experiment was rigged. "the new york times" wrote 'the most famous example of evolution in action, must now become the infamous. fifth. Com'on Viking, why are you defending Haeckels??. you know better. This one is easy. British embryologist michael richardson published the actual photos in the "journal anatomy and embtyology august 1997 edition". richardson said its the most famous fake in history. sixth. you are very wrong. this is why the miller-urey experiment is important for evolution. for many years, there was no connection between non-life and life. so the failure of the experiment was extremely important to evolution, because it should show how after the big bang...life could begin. the experiment could not even produce amino acids which are not even protiens muchless life. There is no connection today in the theory of evolution that connects non-life to life. Your last refutal, the eye..you sourced . E. Nilsson and S. Pelger's article, "A pessimistic estimate of the time required for an eye to evolve" (Proceedings of the Royal Society B, 1994, v.. 256, pp. 53-58). In the "politically incorrect guide to science". page 210 washington DC REGNEY 2005" The notion that there is somewhere a computer model of the evolutionaty development of the eye, is an urban myth. such a model does not exise. Richard Dawkins, the senior author of the study based his claim on DAN E. NILSSON, has explicitly rejected the idea that his lab has ever produced a computer simulation of the eye's development.
Stop serving spaghetti! Or at least put some sauce on it.

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Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#104962 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>
1. The fossil record refutes your religion.
You're incorrect. Your religion precludes you from understand anything about the fossil record.
2. Same as one.
Clearly, you don't know anything about fossils.
1. Same
Clearly, you don't want to know anything about fossils.
2.Ask God when you see Him.
That's a non-answer. Clearly, you don't know anything about theology or what Christian scholars say about your own religion.
3.Species to species evolution like a fish turning into a goat are the fairy tale teaching and pseudo science doctrine of your religion.
This stupid comment shows how little you know about science.
4.Ask God when you see Him.
See 2, above. There's no point in discussing anything with you, since you don't respect logic, reason, education or scholarship. Further, you are incapable of critical thinking.
5.Because Scientists have not put forth any evidence that humans evolved from any other species.
That's the stupidest, most uneducated thing you've yet written. It's clearly false. Why are you lying?
Its all nonsensical pseudo-science that allows suckers like you to use to back a religious doctrine you have always wanted to believe. So crack scientist like yourself just believed "no God"...then went and created nonsensical theories and hypothesis to back your religious claims LOL. silly atheist.
Where'd your medicine come from? Where'd your computer come from? Your shower? Why aren't you sick right now?

You have constantly displayed the education of a slow 10 year old.
6.How do you know that there are no biologists that are creationist?
I am a scientist who reads about evolution and biology.
I don't believe you're an actual atheist.
Clearly you don't think very deeply.
7.I laugh at you atheist.
You just contradicted yourself.
So feel free to laugh at religion. Laugh until you choke. You will die, and you will meet Jesus Christ. You won't be laughing less than a second after you meet the Christ and you're damned.
Any further response can be summed up in the next post from a previous thread.
Boss, the god you believe in all made up in your head. You don't even believe in the Christian god, just some Boss-imaginary-god.

All scientists know that humans are evolved from earlier hominin. There's no debating this. It's fact. All evidence shows this.

That you fail to understand that is fine. It just means you don't know anything beyond your religiously limited fictional world.

I could post links to all kinds of universities, research institutions and research - but you're too indoctrinated even to know what is and what is not science. You actually, and very stupidly, think that creationism has a voice in science. They don't.

There's no point in talking to someone who is so incapable of learning like yourself. When did you give up on learning and become obsessed with packing your reality into a small box of denial?

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Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#104963 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
The fossil record is in perfect accord with the modern Theory of Evolution. There is no lack of transitional species. In a very real sense all species are transitional
If you stop here, you got it. All individuals are transitional.

Unlike you, I have held Australopithecus, H. habilis, H. erectus, archaic H. sapiens, H. neanderthalensis - unlike you, I've spoken with experts in the field and traded ideas with them.

Unlike you, I cite real science sources.

Right now, in paleoanthropology, the biggest problem is what to do with all the transitional fossils. We have so many, they've broken our arbitrary species categories. The picture is one of relatively smooth genetic transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens, with side branches of H. neanderthalensis and a few others - and genetic exchange between various highly mobile populations.

You'll never be able to present a compelling scientific theory. You'll never be able to deal with real evidence.

The very best you can muster is to copy and paste from irrelevant creationist sources who have no voice whatsoever in science. That shows how meaningless your opinion is on anything science.

Anything else you want to lie about?

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104964 Jun 1, 2012
Bossdrop, first ask yourself which is more believable, that the god just popped everything, against all laws of nature, into existence as it is.

Or ....

That the god set things in motion with the intelligence to know that what has happened would happen based on it's calculations.

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Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#104965 Jun 1, 2012
Atheists use this plan, its >fool<proof. Get it atheist=fool...LOL...anyways.. .

Blame the Christians you all know that you think are liars and frauds or whatever for your rejection of Jesus Christ.

Tell the Omnipotent God you think He is immoral for what happened in the torah.

Tell Omnipotent you should not be damned because in your delusion God will give you a prize for your debates or arguments with Christians that you think you won.

Go to your grave believing in Evolution and that everything happened without the hand of a Deity. Then tell Omnipotence there was no evidence for Him

Use all these reasons to the Omnipotent God. And see if it causes you a second less in writhing punishment when you're damned.

You never know, it may even get you into heaven.

ROFL. Try it.

Only God saves. No Christian can save anybody.

So if any of you think you're somehow hurting me God or Christianity by rejecting the Christ. LOL.

Atheist amuse and entertain me. That's why I'm here.

The only responsibility the Christian has to any of you, is to tell you about the Christ.

You all have read about this Christ hundreds of times on topix.

You all want to die rejecting the Christ..be my guest. When you see God, I give you permission to blame me for your rejection of the Christ. And see how that works for ya.

now, back to purpose of this thread.

Anyone want to post their argument for abiogenesis?

<grin>

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104966 Jun 1, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
Atheists use this plan, its >fool<proof. Get it atheist=fool...LOL...anyways.. .
Blame the Christians you all know that you think are liars and frauds or whatever for your rejection of Jesus Christ.
Tell the Omnipotent God you think He is immoral for what happened in the torah.
Tell Omnipotent you should not be damned because in your delusion God will give you a prize for your debates or arguments with Christians that you think you won.
Go to your grave believing in Evolution and that everything happened without the hand of a Deity. Then tell Omnipotence there was no evidence for Him
Use all these reasons to the Omnipotent God. And see if it causes you a second less in writhing punishment when you're damned.
You never know, it may even get you into heaven.
ROFL. Try it.
Only God saves. No Christian can save anybody.
So if any of you think you're somehow hurting me God or Christianity by rejecting the Christ. LOL.
Atheist amuse and entertain me. That's why I'm here.
The only responsibility the Christian has to any of you, is to tell you about the Christ.
You all have read about this Christ hundreds of times on topix.
You all want to die rejecting the Christ..be my guest. When you see God, I give you permission to blame me for your rejection of the Christ. And see how that works for ya.
now, back to purpose of this thread.
Anyone want to post their argument for abiogenesis?
<grin>
No one has blamed you for anything more than your own ignorance.

Abiogenesis made easy:

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Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#104967 Jun 1, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You're incorrect. Your religion precludes you from understand anything about the fossil record.
<quoted text>
Clearly, you don't know anything about fossils.
<quoted text>
Clearly, you don't want to know anything about fossils.
<quoted text>
That's a non-answer. Clearly, you don't know anything about theology or what Christian scholars say about your own religion.
<quoted text>
This stupid comment shows how little you know about science.
<quoted text>
See 2, above. There's no point in discussing anything with you, since you don't respect logic, reason, education or scholarship. Further, you are incapable of critical thinking.
<quoted text>
That's the stupidest, most uneducated thing you've yet written. It's clearly false. Why are you lying?
<quoted text>
Where'd your medicine come from? Where'd your computer come from? Your shower? Why aren't you sick right now?
You have constantly displayed the education of a slow 10 year old.
<quoted text>
I am a scientist who reads about evolution and biology.
<quoted text>
Clearly you don't think very deeply.
<quoted text>
You just contradicted yourself.
<quoted text>
Boss, the god you believe in all made up in your head. You don't even believe in the Christian god, just some Boss-imaginary-god.
All scientists know that humans are evolved from earlier hominin. There's no debating this. It's fact. All evidence shows this.
That you fail to understand that is fine. It just means you don't know anything beyond your religiously limited fictional world.
I could post links to all kinds of universities, research institutions and research - but you're too indoctrinated even to know what is and what is not science. You actually, and very stupidly, think that creationism has a voice in science. They don't.
There's no point in talking to someone who is so incapable of learning like yourself. When did you give up on learning and become obsessed with packing your reality into a small box of denial?
This is all talking points for your religion.

The fossil records refutes your religion.

God created the human being. You have no evidence of humans evolving from anything. Just some nonsensical fairy tale theories.

Nothing can't equals everything. That is brainwashing by your religion.

That's the sign of a sick mind hiding. a small limited mind that is lost in a fairy tale.

Respected Science and technology made the computer and invented medicine.

False and crack scientists like yourself study pseudo-science nonsense that there is no evidence for. Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo theories to brainwash your mind into believing your religion of nothing = everything..

Free your mind atheist! what a waste of your existence believing in a infantile fairy tale of nothing equals everything. And then stupid enough to go to college and study that infantile rubbish LOL.

Whatever God you think I believe in is irrelevant to me. What matters is what >>I<< believe atheist.

Science destroys your religion. Any link you can link to I can find the Scientist to refute your claim. You just use those universities scientists theories because they support your religious dogma.

You have a religion, and you study a pseudo-science and you're a pseudo-scientist.

You will get more respect if you get a job picking up dog poo.

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Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#104968 Jun 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No one has blamed you for anything more than your own ignorance.
Abiogenesis made easy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =v8nYTJf62sEXX
Abiogenesis is a myth, just like your religion.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#104969 Jun 1, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>

Anything else you want to lie about?
Is he the one who said hispenis is 12"?

No? Sorry. That was some other dude. I only had a metric ruler. It was at least 15 cm.

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Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#104970 Jun 2, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Bossdrop, first ask yourself which is more believable, that the god just popped everything, against all laws of nature, into existence as it is.
Or ....
That the god set things in motion with the intelligence to know that what has happened would happen based on it's calculations.
your premise is false.

First of all those so call laws of nature God is not restricted by them.

That's why He is God.

We don't know how God created the human and this universe. God will not reveal, and Science is no closer to knowing.

There is now more theories out there about the origin of the universe and as far as non life to life the best they have is synthetic life. Which if you want to get into it, is nothing close to replicating non life to life.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#104971 Jun 2, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>This is all talking points for your religion.
The fossil records refutes your religion.
God created the human being. You have no evidence of humans evolving from anything. Just some nonsensical fairy tale theories.
Nothing can't equals everything. That is brainwashing by your religion.
That's the sign of a sick mind hiding. a small limited mind that is lost in a fairy tale.
Respected Science and technology made the computer and invented medicine.
False and crack scientists like yourself study pseudo-science nonsense that there is no evidence for. Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo theories to brainwash your mind into believing your religion of nothing = everything..
Free your mind atheist! what a waste of your existence believing in a infantile fairy tale of nothing equals everything. And then stupid enough to go to college and study that infantile rubbish LOL.
Whatever God you think I believe in is irrelevant to me. What matters is what >>I<< believe atheist.
Science destroys your religion. Any link you can link to I can find the Scientist to refute your claim. You just use those universities scientists theories because they support your religious dogma.
You have a religion, and you study a pseudo-science and you're a pseudo-scientist.
You will get more respect if you get a job picking up dog poo.
You're lying again, Boss.

The truth is you don't know anything about the fossil record. Have you ever even picked up a single fossil in your life? Have you ever in your life taken a science course?

Go, find me one single science source to refute my claims. Just one. Find a scientific research paper that argues humans are not evolved, but specially created by God.

That's laughable! It was hard to type, I was laughing so hard.

I seriously can't imagine anyone being as scientifically illiterate as you, Boss. What do you do for a living that you can know almost nothing?

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104972 Jun 2, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Abiogenesis is a myth, just like your religion.
Quite an interesting change in your personality, for a while you were discussing, almost civilly, matters of importance. Now suddenly you have locked up and resorted to simply ignoring everything presented to you.

It's tough having your world view shaken by reality, perhaps you should take a break and watch a movie like The Matrix.

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