Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I Am No One Else”

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Jun 1, 2012
 
Bossdrop, did you know that back in the Dark Ages such simple trickery as a card trick was considered magic? Before then the common magic trick used to con masses into believing that one was a messenger from some god was vastly simplistic staff to snake trick, the staff was actually made of a rope with a rod slid down the center. The magician would toss the "staff" and pull the rod out, making the rope appear to move like a snake then draw the rope back along the rod, making it appear to become stiff again. People were fooled by this simple trick and believed it was magic. Our minds have become more skeptical and capable of understanding more of the universe, thus the tricks had to also evolve to adapt to this. There was a recent time when illusionists had gotten lazy and reused the same old tricks. On illusionist got fed up and to spur a new era of new tricks and illusions he publicly showed how all the classics were done, search "masked magician" or "Val Valentino" and you will learn a lot about how these tricks were done.

It worked, the likes of David Blaine are the result of this. They are finding new ways to wow us and fill us with wonder. The illusionists are the counter preacher, they fill our minds with fantasies that are still realistic, and they only ask that we don't tell anyone else when we discover their methods.

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Jun 1, 2012
 
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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The only thing I'm madly passionate about is myself. Kidding, was trying to remember the Oscar Wilde quote, but can't.
“To love oneself is the beginning of a life-long romance”

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Jun 1, 2012
 
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What do you mean by "subtle hypnosis"?
the irony, hypnosis has been shown to be a con, but shh, it helps the illusion sometimes. ;)

As long as they aren't selling hypnosis, nothing wrong with a bit of fun, eh?

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Ah. The devil of wasting electricity. He's a jerkface, that one.
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Ah. The devil of messy beds and violent door shutting. Serious anger issues, those jerkfaces.
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Where'd they get the chains?
You didn't use the "In the name f Jesus, I command you to jump into a flock of pigs and run yourself off a cliff!" trick?
LOL!

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#104858
Jun 1, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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For a typical atheist it's probably:
1.Family.
2.Friends.
3.Me.
4.Career.
5.Exploring the universe.
4 and 5 are often the same. For my personal priorities it's:
1. Career and exploring the universe.
Now I do have friends, but notice they and myself are included in the one single goal. The secret to life is not finding the answers, but the quest for the answers. The most exhilarating and truly empowering aspect of exploration is not knowing. When you fill in your holes of understanding with "god" you are shorting yourself so much awesomeness. So many things to explore and learn, so many wondrous worlds to explore. You are missing out on a full life.
Now I know what you'll say, something to the extent of "you can't have a full life without god" but before you do, know that you are presupposing. You know deep down that you doubt your belief, and that's the healthiest mentality to have in all things, doubt protects us, it strengthens us. This is why the bible, and all other religious doctrine, attempts to demonize doubt, because doubt will keep you from being manipulated by other people, and right now you really need to embrace your doubt instead of ignore it.
There are two authors you should read, Asimov, of course, but also H. P. Lovecraft, just remember that it's all made up and the Necronomicon sold in stores is a mock up based on the stories, and don't buy into the lame cult that started based on his fictional stories. I swear, everyone wants to start a lame cult based on some fictional stories these days. Anyhow, Asimov does really well with describing the splendor of what science can show you, and how it changes your view on the world. Lovecraft though shows you the deep dark depravity that humans are capable of, and once you read enough Lovecraft you will doubt your very own existence, because Lovecraft's stories, though not based on actual science, could actually happen.
:)
I never doubt if Jesus is God kitten.

What I doubt sometimes is do I deserve all the promises of God. I have been blessed with a lot, but God promises a lot.

You seem like a really nice person. We may not have had any effect on each other's world philosophy, but hopefully you saw something in my posts to you that made you smile because I saw that in yours.

Now its a nice friday evenings, I'm leaving the office and going to hang out at walmart and target.

bb maybe later.

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#104859
Jun 1, 2012
 
wilderide wrote:
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I have been enjoying your city for the past two days.

And god has blessed me with such wonderful weather!!

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

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What do you mean by "subtle hypnosis"?
There are many techniques for making people more suggestible without fully hypnotizing them. They are used by magicians, con artists, preachers, and politicians, for the most part.

To prep an audience to receive magic tricks, you need to make them feel very comfortable and confident, at the same time you are pushing them away from their "normal" mode of perception. A magician seduces his or her audience. Many will start with simple tricks and maybe even explain how they are done, and then later do a variation of an explained trick using a different means that seems to negate the previous explanation, and appears as genuine magic.

A magician may try to form a bond with the audience by portraying himself or herself as a skeptic, who only started learning magic to prove to himself/herself that it wasn't real. Then he/she would expound on all the revelations of real magic that they didn't want to believe, but eventually just accepted as a mystery. This gives the audience a direction for acceptance. They don't have to agree that it's magic, but they can enjoy the mystery that it could be.

I could think of a bunch more techniques. One point I would like to make that is the magician generally uses less powerful techniques than con artists, preachers, and politicians. The magician's aim is for entertainment. They aren't trying to control you after you leave their performance.

Now if we can just start discussing the manipulation techniques employed in churches I'll be in my element.

“The eye has it...”

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Catcher1 wrote:
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I have been enjoying your city for the past two days.
And god has blessed me with such wonderful weather!!
PRAISE PANGU!
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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahahaha!
Boss, it's stage magic!
All throughout history people have been doing this stuff - it's recorded, usually after they die, how they did it. Tricks, show biz, lighting.
And in Angel's case, according to Penn Jillette, it includes camera tricks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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KittenKoder wrote:
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the irony, hypnosis has been shown to be a con, but shh, it helps the illusion sometimes. ;)
As long as they aren't selling hypnosis, nothing wrong with a bit of fun, eh?
What do you mean? Hypnotists do sell hypnosis.

If you're referring to stage hypnosis, where people act like chickens after being hypnotized, those could be cons.

There probably are people that can be hypnotized to act like chickens, but I would imagine that combination of attributes would be somewhat rare, too rare to rely on for a random volunteer to possess.
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The real question is whether you can block those Holy Spirit rays with aluminum foil....
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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Now if we can just start discussing the manipulation techniques employed in churches I'll be in my element.
They pull me in with the Rattlesnakes.
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Bossdrop, if you decided to abandon religion tomorrow and kept your same attitude you would still disgust us.
Just not as funny.
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Boss, I hope you learned from that episode and now cite your references.
He never learns.

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They pull me in with the Rattlesnakes.
I came for the snakes.

I stayed for the convulsions.

What I don't understand is the toilet in the back with no doors or privacy or anything. I'm not going to go #2 while people are playing with snakes just a few feet away.
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Jun 1, 2012
 
Of course not. That would lead to him being outed as a fraud, just like Uri Gellar on the Tonight Show, who claimed his abilities were real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You were duped, silly.

And now you’ve been you’ve been manhandled.

You’re just too slow to realize it.
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You’re lying:

"I did the research. I saw the holes in the theory. I designed the questions."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
"I am the author of those questions. Me."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

Hey, look! Your frequent liar miles just went up!
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Who gives a flying frogs ass where he got it.
It would be wrong if he was selling the questions for profit. This is topix, he won’t get paid for making a post. This is a volunteer site. Who is to say Ann did not take it from someone else.
You remind me of the freaking little girl in elementary school who was left in charge when the teacher stepped out of class. She was just itching to write some body up. Of course I being a hard nose criminal. Took advantage of the down time to sharpen my pencil at the front of the class.
So I would get my name on the board and a follow up ass kicking for being a out of control heathen. This of course made it more fun for the girls to turn in the boys when the teacher was gone. You are just like those freaking little tattle tales. Looking for some naïve reason to tell on someone.
Here in our society we have bank robbers, drug dealers, murderers, thieves and you’re here pointing the finger at someone for mighta, sorta, couldof copied something from someone else who copied from someone else.
Did you even think to look at the content of the question ant it’s message? No you are too busy acting like a 8 year old girl telling on the boys.
I give a frog’s ass that that he swiped it, failed to cite his source, lied about it, and then called those who busted him liars – it shows one more religinut’s moral bankruptcy. And that’s a good thing.

But I really don’t give a frog’s ass about your troubled childhood.

And it is not a matter of someone “mighta, sorta, couldof copied something from someone”. It is a* fact* that he plagiarize that list. One does not come up with the identical list and identical wording without plagiarism:

http://tinyurl.com/cebmvq2
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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Eagle12 wrote:
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He is just another sidewalk show....


Exactly. So when your fellow religinut claims Angel does supernatural feats despite Angel’s denials of that and despite a video of the him demonstrating one of his levitation methods, it is worthwhile pointing out. It demonstrates the delusional thinking behind living in a world of demons.

And it’s good for a few yuks too.
god is IMAGINARY

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Tony Longfellow wrote:
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And in Angel's case, according to Penn Jillette, it includes camera tricks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
any idea how this guy does it

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

magnetic boots maybe!

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