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“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527693 Aug 17, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
You're jealous of my confidence,
it doesn't have to make sense,
I'll show you how insecure you are,
with my analogies and pretense!
I'm so confident!
I say it in the mirror!
I'm so confident!
I say it without fear!
You can't stand it, I know,
all the evidence I show,
because you don't understand it,
don't blame me because you're slow.
I'm so confident!
I say it in the mirror!
I'm so confident!
I say it without fear!
You're afraid of my apologetics,
your understanding is pathetic,
I know so much theology,
my words are almost prophetic.
I'm so confident!
I say it in the mirror!
I'm so confident!
I say it without fear!
I believe, which makes it true,
no matter what you say or do,
I know what I know and I know,
that you know what I know too!
I'm so confident!
I say it in the mirror!
I'm so confident!
I say it without fear!
You've almost got it right. I'll show the corrected version below.
Tide with Beach and corrected by Brother Marine wrote:
You're annoyed by my confidence,
exactly because it does make sense,
I'd offer to teach you Catcher
but you're just too dense.
I am confident in Christ
and it's something you can't beat.
So you run away and hide
beneath your own white sheets.
The evidence I show
is too much for your superficial mind,
you go through life with blinders on
but then tell me that I'm blind.
It's true I have no fear of atheism
but I don't need to say so in a mirror.
It's the truth of the resurrection
that allows me to debate you without fear.
You're annoyed by my apologetics,
because your lack of understanding is so pathetic.
I'm not an expert in theology
but you won't even bother to debate it with me.
Yes I am confident!
Because of Christ I don't need to fear
I'm free of the tumor that is atheism
with all of it's smoke and mirrors.
I believe because of the evidence
and no matter what you say or do,
I am filled with hope and confidence
which is more than I can say for you.
Yes I'm so confident!
But only because of God's grace
I just wish I could see you read this
so I could see the stunned look upon your smug face!
There..

... all better now! LMAO :D :D :D

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#527694 Aug 17, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Yah! Then there is still the logistics of the multitude of synapse duplication.
Oh crap, talk about migraine city. lol

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#527695 Aug 17, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't often say that something is impossible. I don't know enough to say so. I know enough to see how extremely difficult it would be. I think that's where our knowledge of the human brain is. Perhaps if we understood it more, the impossible could be possible. You've obviously done a lot of research in the area though, so I refer to you for the technicalities.
I am having a difficult time placing it into words that can fit in a forum, understanding these things is easy for me, explaining them is another matter entirely. Basically we would have to map out each individual brain completely, then hope that the exact same number of neurons exist in the exact same portions of the brain with the exact same connections to the exact same neurons for a data transfer to be successful. To transfer to digital format we would at least have to map out the individual brain completely, and then customize the software to match that brain precisely.
It's much easier to just make thinking machines, we can simulate static and organized neural networks pretty well, memory and speed are the biggest issues we have right now.

If anything, it's just impractical no matter how much we understand of it. That impracticality makes it impossible. The neural map of your brain is even more distinct than your fingerprints, and way more complex.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527696 Aug 17, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorta kinky, lightbeamrider. You ole dog, you.
I would have never thought you were into Nietzsche. Maybe you'll like this.
"All truly great thoughts are conceived by walking."- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Some of his musings are okay, but I'm not a fan. Even though I quite agree with that one.
Never saw the whip comment, ummm, thanks... I guess.
<quoted text> Don't be angry.
<quoted text>
There it is.
Time will tell what?
<quoted text>Just offering alternative views. Not everyone thinks like you.
<quoted text>
Here you go.
http://lmgtfy.com/... +
http://lmgtfy.com/...
You choose the context.
If it says something like; “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”- Matthew 24:34
That's your Jesus words, and according to Christians, it meant a generation of people that live over two thousand years later, not the people he was supposedly talking to, his inner circle, the disciples, in private.
That's in context, according to Christianity, right? "This generation" in those days meant 30 to 40 generations later. Not those guys.
In context.
I'm a think'n that's what they calls "transfiggeration", son.
They jist a metamorphosizes them words sich as "genderations" int'a new meanins...then it all works fer 'em. Ya see how good that works?
They figgers if'n ther god kin do it then they ought'a be able ta do it too! I jist figger the danged fools gits cornfused real easy like cuz ther heads gits filled up wit 'motion 'stead 'o sense!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527697 Aug 17, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh crap, talk about migraine city. lol
Yah! LOL!
I'll let you an the gals work on that project! I'll find sumpth'n easier ta do!'sides, mah fingers ain't that small!
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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#527699 Aug 17, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorta kinky, lightbeamrider. You ole dog, you.
I would have never thought you were into Nietzsche. Maybe you'll like this.
"All truly great thoughts are conceived by walking."- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Some of his musings are okay, but I'm not a fan. Even though I quite agree with that one.
Never saw the whip comment, ummm, thanks... I guess.
<quoted text> Don't be angry.
<quoted text>
There it is.
Time will tell what?
<quoted text>Just offering alternative views. Not everyone thinks like you.
<quoted text>
Here you go.
http://lmgtfy.com/... +
http://lmgtfy.com/...
You choose the context.
If it says something like; “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”- Matthew 24:34
That's your Jesus words, and according to Christians, it meant a generation of people that live over two thousand years later, not the people he was supposedly talking to, his inner circle, the disciples, in private.
That's in context, according to Christianity, right? "This generation" in those days meant 30 to 40 generations later. Not those guys.
In context.
I'm into Kant.

Just love his categorical imperative.

“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527700 Aug 17, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gold star Tide.
Here's the corrected version.

Tide with Beach and corrected by Brother Marine wrote:

You're annoyed by my confidence,
exactly because it does make sense,
I'd offer to teach you Catcher
but you're just too dense.
I am confident in Christ
and it's something you can't beat.
So you run away and hide
beneath your own white sheets.
The evidence I show
is too much for your superficial mind,
you go through life with blinders on
but then tell me that I'm blind.
It's true I have no fear of atheism
but I don't need to say so in a mirror.
It's the truth of the resurrection
that allows me to debate you without fear.
You're annoyed by my apologetics,
because your lack of understanding is so pathetic.
I'm not an expert in theology
but you won't even bother to debate it with me.
Yes I am confident!
Because of Christ I don't need to fear
I'm free of the tumor that is atheism
with all of it's smoke and mirrors.
I believe because of the evidence
and no matter what you say or do,
I am filled with hope and confidence
which is more than I can say for you.
Yes I'm so confident!
But only because of God's grace
I just wish I could see you read this
so I could see the stunned look upon your smug face!

Somehow I don't think you'll give it a gold star and I'm okay w/ that

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527701 Aug 17, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm into Kant.
Just love his categorical imperative.
UH HUH. Pretty smart fella.

“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527702 Aug 17, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>UH HUH. Pretty smart fella.
Kant was smart unless he was writing about Christianity. Then his ignorance shown like a supernova in a closet.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#527703 Aug 17, 2012

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527704 Aug 17, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
<quoted text>
Kant was smart unless he was writing about Christianity. Then his ignorance shown like a supernova in a closet.
Why do you say that?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#527705 Aug 17, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the corrected version.
Tide with Beach and corrected by Brother Marine wrote:
You're annoyed by my confidence,
exactly because it does make sense,
I'd offer to teach you Catcher
but you're just too dense.
I am confident in Christ
and it's something you can't beat.
So you run away and hide
beneath your own white sheets.
The evidence I show
is too much for your superficial mind,
you go through life with blinders on
but then tell me that I'm blind.
It's true I have no fear of atheism
but I don't need to say so in a mirror.
It's the truth of the resurrection
that allows me to debate you without fear.
You're annoyed by my apologetics,
because your lack of understanding is so pathetic.
I'm not an expert in theology
but you won't even bother to debate it with me.
Yes I am confident!
Because of Christ I don't need to fear
I'm free of the tumor that is atheism
with all of it's smoke and mirrors.
I believe because of the evidence
and no matter what you say or do,
I am filled with hope and confidence
which is more than I can say for you.
Yes I'm so confident!
But only because of God's grace
I just wish I could see you read this
so I could see the stunned look upon your smug face!
Somehow I don't think you'll give it a gold star and I'm okay w/ that
Oh no, I'm an honest guy and call it as I see it.

Gold star BM.

I disagree with everything you say of course.

Nevertheless, well done.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#527706 Aug 17, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I am having a difficult time placing it into words that can fit in a forum, understanding these things is easy for me, explaining them is another matter entirely. Basically we would have to map out each individual brain completely, then hope that the exact same number of neurons exist in the exact same portions of the brain with the exact same connections to the exact same neurons for a data transfer to be successful. To transfer to digital format we would at least have to map out the individual brain completely, and then customize the software to match that brain precisely.
It's much easier to just make thinking machines, we can simulate static and organized neural networks pretty well, memory and speed are the biggest issues we have right now.
If anything, it's just impractical no matter how much we understand of it. That impracticality makes it impossible. The neural map of your brain is even more distinct than your fingerprints, and way more complex.
I gotcha.

By the way, this is the most interesting discussion to take place on this thread in months.

What about dream sharing? Do you think it's possible that dreams could be shared between two or more people through some sort of network? I'd imagine, at least at first, you'd need to host the dream in one of the brains, and the "observers" would have limited power in controlling the dream environment.

Did you see the movie "The Cell"? That's pretty much what that movie is about. I think I might try to watch that soon, along with Lawnmower Man. Scifi is so awesome.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#527707 Aug 17, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I gotcha.
By the way, this is the most interesting discussion to take place on this thread in months.
What about dream sharing? Do you think it's possible that dreams could be shared between two or more people through some sort of network? I'd imagine, at least at first, you'd need to host the dream in one of the brains, and the "observers" would have limited power in controlling the dream environment.
Did you see the movie "The Cell"? That's pretty much what that movie is about. I think I might try to watch that soon, along with Lawnmower Man. Scifi is so awesome.
Everything you say is very intriguing, Tide.

But you have to pay the rent.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#527708 Aug 17, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
<quoted text>
That's where ur wrong. Canis lupius familiaris is itself a subspecies. Chihuahua is a BREED. It is not a natural subspecies. It is a BREED. BRED by H. sapiens. Since u didn't know H. sapiens is a species, u wouldn't know that Primates are an ORDER.
Read something about systematics first and then get back to us.
Here's Humans:
Life:
Life on Earth
Domain:
Eukaryota
Kingdom:
Animalia
Phylum:
Chordata
Class:
Synapsida
Class:
Mammalia
Order:
Primates
Family:
Hominidae
Tribe:
Hominini
Genus:
Homo
Species:
H. sapiens
That's exactly what I said just maybe not clearly enough for you. The Chihuahua like all other dogs is subspecies of the wolf , I just didn't use their Latin names.

But what I was trying to convey was humans similar to dogs are branches on their tree to a larger family.

http://itc.gsw.edu/faculty/bcarter/histgeol/p...
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#527709 Aug 17, 2012
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
...
We might create artificial life and provide it with an artificial consciousness. We may be able to do things like transfer and store that artificial consciousness so that it might persists after one or more of its physical vessels is lost.
Therefore we might be able to provide for our creation what is not possible for us.
As time progresses, our artificial creation might surpass us in many ways and eventually supplant us.
Clearly this is not a metaphor for humanity and its imagined creators.
According to the stories, most of our imagined creators fear the thought that mankind would surpass and eventually supplant them.
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I've seen pretty much every scifi movie or series that deals with artificial intelligence.
It might be possible, I don't know, for us to digitize the human brain, or in other words, make a copy that can exist inside an artificial brain. It might also be possible to grow copies of specific human brains, or generic ones.
Artificial intelligence could be modeled on human perceptions or decision making processes. I don't know if we could ever "improve" on the human brain, outside of the human brain. We could make a substantial improvement in brain function by advancing in our knowledge of the brain and methodologies for education. I don't see how we could ever create something with more abilities than us without having those abilities ourselves. How else could we implement them? It's possible we may stumble across a way of creating an AI with better learning capabilities, but we would have to sacrifice those things that hinder those abilities in us, things that are helpful (for us), mostly emotional things. It depends on what our goals are for the AI.
Mere speculation on my part.

I've seen how rapid technology have advanced in the last few decades.

We have broken many barriers.

Baud rates for examples.

I remember the days of the 110 baud acoustic couplers.

Going to 300 baud was a dream and then 1200 baud.

Soon after it was up to 9600 and beyond on twisted pairs of copper wires.

Then of course there were memory chips.

Well before that there were vacuum tubes then transistors.

Soon after falling in love with my slide rule there were LED pocket calculators.

There were four-bit microprocessors, then 8-bit, then 16-bit, and continuing to 64-bits.

Does anyone actually need a 128-bit microprocessors?

Do you see where this is going?

Technology have gone ahead in leaps and bounds.

I remember when handwriting recognition was considered to be impossible, then we had to write a specific way so that it would be machine readable.

Now with fuzzy logic and neural networks, pattern recognition has advanced.

It seems like whatever you consider to be impossible today, someone is out there making it possible in the future.

Chess playing programs are beating most human players using brute-force, no need to work on more complex chess playing algorithms.

I wasn't referring to the digitization of the human brain, leave our organic brains where they are. This is a new path, we have gone beyond ELIZA.

Admittedly, the chatbots out there are not too impressive, but I have not really done too much research.

We might not need to improve on the human brain with our artificial ones, that would be the job for the bio-engineers. But we will most likely improve the capabilities of our artifical ones.

We do create things with more abilities than we possess, we have refine our tools and tool making abilities.

We cannot get to mars on our own power, but we can get one of our machines/tools out there. It's like flying.

We implement them with our tools, our best tools are the ones that have some degree of intelligence, the ones that are either automated or can be automated.

Not much of a sacrifice when we give our tools abilities beyond those that we possess, we benefit when these tools takes us beyond our limits.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#527711 Aug 17, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I gotcha.
By the way, this is the most interesting discussion to take place on this thread in months.
What about dream sharing? Do you think it's possible that dreams could be shared between two or more people through some sort of network? I'd imagine, at least at first, you'd need to host the dream in one of the brains, and the "observers" would have limited power in controlling the dream environment.
Did you see the movie "The Cell"? That's pretty much what that movie is about. I think I might try to watch that soon, along with Lawnmower Man. Scifi is so awesome.
I really don't see why dream sharing is not possible, the sensory neurons are pretty standard for each type of sensory system, so long as the species were the same or sensed things the same it would be feasible. The problem with dreams that I would see is the mental interpretation of that sensory input, since it's not actual stimulation it may be translated differently between the subjects.

Translating them to mechanical data may be a bit of a challenge, again the whole translation issue. The brain doesn't think like computers at all, and it develops it's own language which varies between organisms a bit. But because of dreams being on the surface, so to speak, it's possible based on what I know. It would be an interesting field of research, and may even help us develop a mechanical method for inducing lucid dreaming.

Also, thanks for the compliment.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#527712 Aug 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I DID mean I am sorry that you've had bad experiences with Christians, but that doesn't I thought they were wrong.
If you're gonna give someone "one chance", then don't misread. My first (and only line) was: "Wrong, wrong, wrong", then I went on. I meant that your "evil christian" outlook is wrong - which is why I went on to say that you can't blame all Christians for the evil acts of few.
The point is that I am not a mind reader, I did not misread your first line read wrong, wrong, wrong.

What you are asking is to give a first chance second time, Sorry, it does not work that way.

I have accepted your explanation, and that’s it as far as I am concerned

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#527713 Aug 18, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Then at least be consistent, remove all implements of murder from society, knives, fertilizer, fuels, baseball bats ....... any thing that could be used to kill anyone.
Do you see how stupid that is yet?
The fact is, if a person is determined to murder, there is not much that will stop them, though a gun might give a weaker person a fighting chance.
I was stating fact. There is no argument with the fact that every household in Switzerland from which a family member served in the military must by law contain a gun and ammunition. There is no argument with the fact that those guns are used to give Switzerland the highest domestic murder rate per capita than anywhere else in the world.

Of course anything could be used as a weapon, self defence courses over the world teach this. A rifle is a weapon, no need to even consider ‘as’, it is designed and built to be a weapon. It is considered by the people that have custody of them to be a weapon.

It saves having to think when you have the urge to kill someone.

There is no need to think “Now what can I use to kill my wife, hmm, maybe go to the kitchen and choose a nice long knife, no wait a minute, I’ll get a jerry can from the garage and buy some fuel from the local filling station to douse her in fuel, now have I got some matches?. Or how about the baseball bat I used at college, no… I have an idea I can use that rifle in the cupboard,

Do you see how stupid that is yet?

The point is that a person determined to murder who is armed with a rifle does not have the luxury of thinking it over.

Ehh, have you ever had to face a gun pointed in anger at close range? What chance?

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