Truth and justice

Northridge, CA

#527945 Aug 18, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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1) They have all the same rights as striaghts 20 since, homosexuallity is a behavior, it is not a right 3)Gays have rights to employment 4) Benefits under marriage can be derived through opposite sex unions 50 yiou are right, we got nothing 6) we want special rights, that no onter group has
Now, your turn.
Truth and justice

Northridge, CA

#527946 Aug 18, 2012
MisterCharrington wrote:
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If you chould choose to be gay, that is after a prolonged lip-lock with a person of the same sex, achieve and maintain arousal of sufficient persistence and tirgor to successfully complete a sex act...then I have news.
You may think you're straight....
it is a sex act, period and straight is what all are and gay is what 15 decide to be. Anyone could choose to do anything. Gosh, unless gays are alien creatures, they choose to have unprotected anal sex with a partner who has AIDS. WHo choose to do that?

Since: Jun 12

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#527947 Aug 18, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Thereya go, spew'n that indocternation stuff ag'n!
Ya got any proof??? Fantasy is fantasy-fantasy accepted as fact is delusion-facts is facts.
I am always amused when one uses delusion to threaten my person.
The warning is real and the only delusion is in your head.

Since: Jul 10

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#527949 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>Are you kidding or are you drunk? You said "We are not asking for proof. The topic of this thread is "prove there's a god". Please explain to the other side of your brain how not asking for proof is "prove there's a god" You are absolutely asking for proof. You need, you asked for, your problem. If you ask a person for proof, then don't except their proof, then you are a fool for ever asking.
I will never ask you for proof that you love your mom. It is not relevant to me and it is your issue not mine. If you ask me to prove I love my mom, same response. It is not my problem whether you believe or not.
The fact is, you all have given pages and pages of proof, you do not accept it and that is your issue not ours.
Now, you want to justify your attacks on people. You simply attacked because you desire to control and become frustrated when Christians prove that you are unintelligent. It is called manipulation and it only works on the weak. You are a very weak person, so you are on the side that you project as strong, because you expect Christians to be weak.
I didn't create the topic, or post the opening comment where the person stated the purpose and the guidelines. I just participate here. If the topic is "Prove there's a god" does that mean let's discuss the weather, or how did you like the ball game last night, or getting much lately?

I understand it to mean that people are to post about the proofs of a god. No one yet has posted any "proofs' of a god here, that are legitimate, however that is not to say that someday someone intelligent enough to read the title of the thread might actually respond to it with a legitimate proof.

Sorry, I missed your first question. No, I am neither kidding nor drunk. In fact I haven't had a taste of alcohol for weeks, and I seldom do.

Oh, I also missed the part where you said that you had already giving proofs. Please refresh my mind with what proofs were given that proved their is a god.

Not in the two years I have been here. As for except their proof, I have said they have not proved anything, which is basically excepting it. I certainly don't accept anything that has been posted as proof though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527950 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>You have to identify the culture and people. I spent some time in the South. Even today, most of the churches are segregated. I have a black friend and in 1985, he integrated a segregated white church. He went to every white church in the area, before he settled into one where they fully grasped that all are God's children.
Only an idiot would think that all Christians are evil, but we are all human and people had to learn to live with other people and see them as the same.
In 2007, I heard a well know preacher who was preaching against interracial marriages.
Always remember this, Jesus had many followers, healed many, and had 12 apostles, but as he hung on the cross, not one stuck their neck out and opposed the mod and rule of the land.
A 'person' is smart.'People' are crazy. Half of America voted for a president that followed the anti-American rantings of a preacher(Wright) that he followed for 20 years! I know there's bad preachers out there that give religion a bad name. Namely the catholic pedophile priests. I can't believe the church protects them. It drives me nuts.

Since: Jul 10

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#527951 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>So, she is your friend and that is all that your post reveals.
I don't know her at all actually.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#527952 Aug 18, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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So, sarcasm and irony are beyond your grasp? Why am I not surprised?
Per capita Switzerland ranks #20th far above the US even surprising. It looks like higher latitudes have higher per capita
murders , must be cabin fever?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per...

Since: May 11

Cardiff, UK

#527953 Aug 18, 2012
Truth and justice wrote:
<quoted text>it is a sex act, period and straight is what all are and gay is what 15 decide to be. Anyone could choose to do anything. Gosh, unless gays are alien creatures, they choose to have unprotected anal sex with a partner who has AIDS. WHo choose to do that?
I don't know about you sir/madam but I would have trouble both mentally and physically engaging in any kind of sex act with a person of the same gender, it just wouldn't 'tickle my fancy' enough to enable me to fulfil the mechanics required.

but then as I said....I cannot speak for the other 'straight' men around here who can simply choose what gets them aroused and are happy in their 'straight lifestyle' LOL.
TruthinFaith

Syracuse, NY

#527954 Aug 18, 2012
Prove there is a God. Okay, for one. Jesus is God. For two, with out excepting Jesus we would all go to hell on judgement day.
Here a thought.
With out the creation of EARTH by God(Jesus) nothing would be in it's right place. You want proof there is a God, then look around you. Where did the people come from, where and how did the animals get on this earth, how did all the vegitation get here, and among other things. Dugh, if there is no God as you say, then how in the hell are you breathing?!!!! dugh.
and remember this, for every sin you commit you will be punished for it. In ways you don't even see. I can tell you that for sure. plus the only greatest sin is Denying Jesus.
Wake up people, read the prophacies in the bible and then read what has happend in this world and is going on right now. Those have come true and those that are happening right now. Dugh.

“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527956 Aug 18, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Thereya go, spew'n that indocternation stuff ag'n!
Ya got any proof??? Fantasy is fantasy-fantasy accepted as fact is delusion-facts is facts.
I am always amused when one uses delusion to threaten my person.
May I point out that he didn't threaten your person?

He warned you. He didn't threaten you. And even if it was a threat, it wasn't against your "person" in a physical sense. We believe in the soul. The soul/spirit will continue on after death. So we don't have the power to threaten your soul, because we can't harm your soul. A stated threat only has validity as a threat, if it can be enacted upon by the person from whom it originated. JMO

“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527957 Aug 18, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I don't know her at all actually.
Exactly. We're just allies out of convenience, and I think for the majority of us, that's a pretty fair statement.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#527960 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>why is it difficult, you drink and that is a struggle. She was already in this country most of her life, she went to see her mom and I picked her up. We also were not married and we were having sex, which is a sin and fornication. If she had asked me, I would have told her that what her parents did was wrong, when they brought her here.
You see, you do not know much about gays. The idea that lesbians only have sex with girls is a lie. Yes, I am male. This is the truth, lesbians have 4 to 5 times as many sex partners as straight women. Many lesbians were married to men and have children.
Gays want us to think that it is not a choice, but gays choose back and forth often. A lot of gay men are also having sex with women and are married with children.
You should get a headache, because the gay stuff is all a lie. It is a sin and a choice. One day you may decide not to drink, you do so for 2 years and then go back, the stop for 5 months, then go back and finally you stop for 20 years and have one drink and then never again. How long were you sober? I used to social drink, too.
One of my friends, who was lesbian, dated a guy until she was 16, he traumatized her, stalked her, and threatened a murder-suicide. She tried to date men, but found comfort and absence of trauma with a female. When I met her she was freeze around me and any man, especially to the touch or hug. We became friends, went on a few dates, and once day, we dropped by my house. I was not going to invite her in, since I knew her past. Next thing I knew she was in the house, walking around, in the bedroom, master bathroom, entertainment room, and just as comfortable as could be.
She went from fear of men, to she could marry me but she will still have her girl friends. It was just talk, because she was a friend who needed healing. the normalization of homosexuality has led to suicides, drug abuse, and no treatment for these things. I was like a counselor to her, as I end up being to all my gay friends.
I'm not patronizing you, I hope it didn't come across that way.

you said: "Gays want us to think that it is not a choice, but gays choose back and forth often" & I totally agree. That's a big problem that gays can't avoid. Anytime I mention it, they revert to calling me a bigot, a homophobe or that I have gays desires LOL....

But wait, man... "you drink and that is a struggle"?? I'm not an alcoholic, I just enjoy drinking a beer every now & then. Don't judge me.

“I am who I am”

Since: Jun 11

Upstate NY

#527962 Aug 18, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
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Maybe I'd rather see a drunk driver pulled over than to wreck his awesome BMW in a fiery crash and take others with him.
To whoever marked my above post as mean:

What's better...

To see a drunk driver get pulled over and tazed if need be,

or;

watch as he plows into another vehicle taking innocent victims with him?

[I only mentioned BMW because Catcher allegedly drives one - it has nothing to do with wanting Catcher either pulled over or crashing. I wouldn't want either to happen to him. I enjoy picking on him too much to lose our rivalry. If he drove a Camaro I would have said "Camaro" just to annoy him]

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#527963 Aug 18, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
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Maybe I'd rather see a drunk driver pulled over than to wreck his awesome BMW in a fiery crash and take others with him.
"I'll be honest and say I DO hope that they're true, but only because I want to see a hardcore atheist capitulate and choke on his humanistic pride while on bended knee."

You don't see the error in this line of thought?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#527967 Aug 18, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
<quoted text>
To whoever marked my above post as mean:
What's better...
To see a drunk driver get pulled over and tazed if need be,
or;
watch as he plows into another vehicle taking innocent victims with him?
[I only mentioned BMW because Catcher allegedly drives one - it has nothing to do with wanting Catcher either pulled over or crashing. I wouldn't want either to happen to him. I enjoy picking on him too much to lose our rivalry. If he drove a Camaro I would have said "Camaro" just to annoy him]
You're equating not believing to drunk driving.

I'd appreciate it if you'd just stop using analogies. You are TERRIBLE at it.

Since: May 11

Cardiff, UK

#527968 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>In reality, most men are like this too. But, then we have Magic Johnson, Arsenio Hall, Eddie Murphy, John Travolta, and many who have sex with transsexuals dressed as women.
Let me ask you this, does your hand meet the mechanics required, a blow-up doll, a 3-D women, porno films, etc. and is this romance? In regards to women, are they romantically involved with a vibrator, a dildo, a strap-on, or even a female tongue?
How do you feel about watching two women having sex, okay two men? The difference is that although both are same sex acts, you can be attracted to both females, but not the men, although none of the acts involve you.
Men who have sex with another human being who possesses a penis regardless of what they are wearing are bisexual if they also have sex with women.

If someone says, "Oh I'm not gay, I just screw men....." forgive me if I think they are knee deep in 'de nile'.

Masturbation is not romantic involvement, masturbation is the separation of romantic involvement, regardless if the mechanism involved is a hand or a power tool. Masturbation is purely sensory and there is no emotional investment in a blowup sex doll(if it's a male sex doll then it opens a whole other can of worms).

If a woman has sex with another woman and also has sex with men then she is also a bisexual.

I don't feel anything about watching two women having sex, I am attracted to women so I would obviously find it preferable than watching two men have sex.

If a video of men having sex was all that was available would I watch it? I would not. It is the gender I am attracted to not simply 'sex'.

Arousal is involuntary, I cannot choose what arouses me any more than I can choose what a valid belief is. If I don't believe it, I don't believe it. If it doesn't 'give me wood' then it just doesnít.

...as I have repeatedly said, I canít speak for the other sexually ambiguous Ďstraightí men out there.

“The eye has it...”

Since: Jan 12

Russell's teapot.

#527970 Aug 18, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Neitzsche is in your camp. As is Stalin. As is Mao. Pagan Greece and Rome were built almost entirely by slave labor. No country on Earth questioned to morality of slavery until Christians did the questioning. Approx 1/3 of Roman society was made up of slaves who could be killed any time by their Roman masters. Heres another little fun fact as it relates to your pagan counterparts.''Socrates and Plato could sit around in symposia, drinking wine and discussing the essence of justice, largely becuase the civilization was maintained by an unimaginable number of slaves.'' They were so backwards they thought it a good thing to marry their sisters and use children as sex slaves.
Slavery was and is a problem to this day. It was outlined in the OT and Judaism concerning the treatment of slaves.

Also, to say that it is to the sole credit of Christianity in abolishing slavery is not accurate and a stretch. It was a combination of many factors, not attributable to Christianity alone.

We can't forget that only in 19th century, did the morality of slavery begin to be scrutinized and considered as wrong.

I tend to think that much of the awareness that was realized concerning the immorality of slavery was due to the world, at that point in time, being pretty much accessible in all areas and regions.

Humanity in general finally had the chance to look at itself collectively, and saw that it didn't present a good picture in how we treated each other - globally.

That's my opinion. I'm open to discuss it further if you'd like, however.
lightbeamrider wrote:
A boatload. Not everyone is correct. When it comes to Christ my only hope is those foolish enough to listen to you will find you in hell as i'm sure you will be hiding out if you can.
There it is.
lightbeamrider wrote:
I will get to the Matthew 24 part later. Day off.
I look forward to it.

Have a good day. Truly.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#527975 Aug 18, 2012
Brother Marine wrote:
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Well yes for you it would be uncomfortable, but only because you don't WANT God to exist. And not every strange occurrence is explained as "God did it."
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If the brain isn't functioning, there is NO subconciousness. Yet somehow, these events do happen and are "remembered" accurately. If this is the case, then there must be another manner in which some memories are stored in the human experience. As I stated, you're arguing from an emotional basis. You DON'T want this to be true. If it were true, you would have to re-think and reevaluate every presupposition and misconception you've ever had, and that's just too much to bear.
I'll be honest and say I DO hope that they're true, but only because I want to see a hardcore atheist capitulate and choke on his humanistic pride while on bended knee.
Yeah, yeah, I know it won't happen here. But it will happen.:)
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You'll need to do better than that Tide. Why can't these THOUSANDS of cases with common characteristics be taken seriously? What inside knowledge do you have that suggests they "can't"? Yes traumatic events do trigger unusual brain activities, but not when ALL brain activity has stopped. The word "trigger" speaks of cause and effect. In the specific case I mentioned, if Ms. Reynolds' brain was stopped and drained of blood, how can there be any brain activity to trigger "unusual brain activity"? There can't be any. There would have to be perception of trauma first, even if only subconsciously. We know that subconsciousness is a brain function right? The EEG was showing NO brain activity. The EEG is a remarkable and highly accurate piece of scientific and technological equipment; yes? It requires calibration, regular scheduled maintenance, and features self-testing capabilities that must pass before it's used on a patient. Are you telling me that this particular EEG was faulty and yet was still used on this one occasion? This one occasion in which an NDE reportedly occurred? Sounds like you're seriously reaching for straws here. And before you come back with all kinds of presuppositional data about NDEs, check out this site from a man who is probably the foremost expert on NDEs in the world today:
http://www.nderf.org
Dr Jeff Long is an Oncologist (cancer specialist) and has created a method for determining the likelihood of NDEs in patients who report them, including measures to "red-flag" and eliminate fraudulent reports.
BM, I missed part of the discussion about NDEs, I think, but it has been established in several different venues that NDEs can be explained in a completely natural way, without anything supernatural having to be involved.

I will not be so presumptuous as to suggest that all NDEs, that have ever occurred, were due to the same factors as those artificially (by artificial I mean on purpose rather than just something that someone experienced that was unexpected) produced in a lab, or in training astronauts, but the fact that the experiences are almost identical to those that were produced on purpose does tend to lend a bit of credibility to the possibility that all NDEs are actually natural experiences having nothing to do with the afterlife, or God.

I think to be accepted as supernatural an event has to be one that cannot have any possibility of happening naturally. I guess the very fact that all NDEs that are reported had to have been reported by people who lived to tell about them, does tend to indicate that death had not occurred.

I think it is commonly accepted that people can appear to be dead, and not dead, and do regain consciousness, and live afterward, but when a person is actually dead, they do not return to life.

I will not include Jesus in that statement, in order that this does not become an issue of belief. I am referring only to recent NDEs.

“The eye has it...”

Since: Jan 12

Russell's teapot.

#527977 Aug 18, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
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talk about your SKEPTICS.
Lev and Numbers are a part of the first 5 books of the Mosanic law,
the Law of Moses.
i WOULD encourage you to ck out the many authentic archaeology dictionarys and reference books available that are detailed in percise information and location of biblical artifacts.
There are other myths and stories from antiquity with fantasy elements that mention reality based elements as well.

Many elements within mythology can be connected to actual persons, cultures, historical places, and at times historical events.

Consider the Minotaur. Born of a union between PasiphaŽ and the Cretan bull that was given by Poseidon.

The Minotaur is a famous and supernatural creature of myth.

The Palace of Knossos at Crete is an actual known of and verified place, associated with the myth of the Minotaur.

That does not make PasiphaŽ that birthed the Minotaur, the Minotaur, the Cretan bull, nor Poseidon real.

Theologians study their religious texts and think that by connecting actual historical places, verifiable events, and real elements mentioned in the myth they believe in, also validates the never verified and never proved supernatural components found in the myth and that somehow confirms their myth based religious beliefs are a literal truth and an absolute reality.

They present those correlations and anything else no matter how biased or insubstantial it may be, claim that as proof to their fellow theists who also believe in the myth and say; "I have found legitimate unbiased evidence and proof of our deity, our belief is real!"

The existence of a city or feature of geography and other such elements common in fiction, myth and fantasy does not make that fantasy or mythic fiction, real.
YELLODOG wrote:
there is no future in scoffing.
It's a well established fact that the future found in ignorance is bleak and without merit. You might want to consider that.

Or not.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#527979 Aug 18, 2012
Jedi Mind Trickers wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I never made any erroneous assumption that he never has a drink. I would never made that assumption, as I would not assume that Christians don't sin since they do. What I simply do, is state what God instructs us to do. If we don't do it, that is a human thing, not a Christian thing.
You and most of your group tend to confuse Christian behavior and human behavior, sin is a human behavior not a Christian one. A gay priest is engage in three sins, if he is having sex with a same sex child, none of which are Christian behaviors.
Does that also pertain to your deity(christian behavior vs. human behavior)?

And please define your perception of "sin" for us all.

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