Is Muhammed (PBUH) the last and Quran the final revelation ??

As per ttranslated bible & Torah, Ismael(PBUH) and Isaac(PBUH) both were promised to become big nations. Ismael(PBUH) prophecy being fulfilled by Moses(PBUH) of Torah and Jesus(PBUH)of Gospels. But what about Ismael ?? It appears to have been fulfilled by Muhammed(PBUH) of the Quran. Also Jews were settled in Saudi Arabia to the place where he was expected to arrive long before his arrival. Thus it meant that he was the final messenger and Jesus(PBUH) was the last of the Jew Messenger !!

Just following his death, Muhammed bowed and confessed Jesus as Lord and was then sent to the place awaiting his eternal judgement and the lake of fire.

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.(Rev 20:10)

Our poor excuses wrote:

Just following his death, Muhammed bowed and confessed Jesus as Lord and was then sent to the place awaiting his eternal judgement and the lake of fire.
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.(Rev 20:10)

Jesus(PBUH) was the last messenger amongst the Jews and for the Jews only and not for the entire world.

Mathew 10:5" These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
10:6. But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

Further we read...
Mathew 15:22. And behold a woman of Canaan who came out of those coasts, crying out, said to him: Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David: my daughter is grievously troubled by a devil.

15:23. Who answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying: Send her away, for she crieth after us:

15:24. And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep, that are lost of the house of Israel.

MUHAMMED DID MEET JESUS(PBUH)AND MOSES(PBUH) AND ABRAHIM(PBUH) AMONGST OTHERS DURING HIS ASCENTION OF HEAVEN. NO LAKE OF FIRE WAS THERE AND NO DEVIL WAS THROWN AWAY. IF IT HAPPENED SO THEN EVIL WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT OF THIS EARTH FOREVER.

HOPE MY ANSWER IS UPTO MARK AND DOES NOT OFFEND ANYONE. PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY MISTAKES.

Ahmer Afaq wrote:

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Jesus(PBUH) was the last messenger amongst the Jews and for the Jews only and not for the entire world.
Mathew 10:5" These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
10:6. But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
Further we read...
Mathew 15:22. And behold a woman of Canaan who came out of those coasts, crying out, said to him: Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David: my daughter is grievously troubled by a devil.
15:23. Who answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying: Send her away, for she crieth after us:
15:24. And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep, that are lost of the house of Israel.
MUHAMMED DID MEET JESUS(PBUH)AND MOSES(PBUH) AND ABRAHIM(PBUH) AMONGST OTHERS DURING HIS ASCENTION OF HEAVEN. NO LAKE OF FIRE WAS THERE AND NO DEVIL WAS THROWN AWAY. IF IT HAPPENED SO THEN EVIL WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT OF THIS EARTH FOREVER.
HOPE MY ANSWER IS UPTO MARK AND DOES NOT OFFEND ANYONE. PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY MISTAKES.

We are talking both past and future events.

Muhammed met Jesus right after dying and found out that Jesus was God in the flesh that substituted Himself on the Cross for sin.

Muhammed is a false prophet and will be thrown into the lake of fire.

What Jesus and muhammed taught are incompatible and the false prophets such as muhammed were warned about in scripture.

You too will bow down to Jesus and confess that He is Lord after you die.

Our poor excuses wrote:

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We are talking both past and future events.
Muhammed met Jesus right after dying and found out that Jesus was God in the flesh that substituted Himself on the Cross for sin.
Muhammed is a false prophet and will be thrown into the lake of fire.
What Jesus and muhammed taught are incompatible and the false prophets such as muhammed were warned about in scripture.
You too will bow down to Jesus and confess that He is Lord after you die.

Sorry If I ever offended you. What you have said looks more of a personal opinion without any proof. Further I wish to point out the following from Bible and Quran

A quote from a REV Philip Dacre"Jesus of Nazareth was limited to the Israeli nation but Jesus the risen Christ is sent to the whole world...many many scriptures proving this plainly and clearly "

Does it look authentic ??? Jesus of Nazareth is different than Jesus the risen. When he was on Earth he was for Israel. It will be reasonable if we say that the person portrayed as Jesus (PBUH) the risen is none other than prophet Muhammed(PBUH) as he was for all nations.

Lets study:
Deut 18:18 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Matthew21:43 33 Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that will produce its fruit.

Quran 47:38 Behold, you are those invited to spend in the way of Allah: but among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But Allah is free of all wants, and it is you that are needy. If you turn back from the path, he will substitute in your place another people; then they would not be like you.

John 16:5 Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me,'Where are you going?' 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

John14:25"These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Thus if we equate "holy spirit" with Muhammed(PBUH), it looks well resonable AND HIS PRESENCE IN THIS WORLD AS GUIDER IS ESTABLISHED AND THE QUESTION ANSWERED THAT SUCH A HIGH RANKING FIGURE DOES APPEAR IN THE BIBLE !!
Please be Reminded Muslims Beleive in Jesus(PBUH). they do not betray Jesus(PBUH). It is the Jews that do. Thus Belief in Jesus does not prevent Muslims from Paradise at all !!

Further I am arguing so that to save people from Torment of Hell as promised in all the devine books. There is no personal benefits that are being achieved as I am not a priest but a student in the pursuit of TRUTH. May Allah(God) Guide us all to it.

Hang Em High wrote:

Islam is death and DEATH to Islam.

Dear Brother,

It looks like some Muslim has done terribly wrong with you. I apologise for him if this is the case. Please do not hate anyone and lets pray for each other to the one who created us. Lets make a makr and pattern and the earth a better place for the future generations to come (AMEEN)

Ahmer Afaq wrote:

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Dear Brother,
It looks like some Muslim has done terribly wrong with you. I apologise for him if this is the case. Please do not hate anyone and lets pray for each other to the one who created us. Lets make a makr and pattern and the earth a better place for the future generations to come (AMEEN)

This is an American format, please knock off that peace be upon him crap. No American give one penny if you come up with that B/S. Also if you have a need to pray face Mecca and do so by yourself. I for one have no need of it.

Ahmer Afaq wrote:

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Sorry If I ever offended you. What you have said looks more of a personal opinion without any proof. Further I wish to point out the following from Bible and Quran
A quote from a REV Philip Dacre"Jesus of Nazareth was limited to the Israeli nation but Jesus the risen Christ is sent to the whole world...many many scriptures proving this plainly and clearly "
Does it look authentic ??? Jesus of Nazareth is different than Jesus the risen. When he was on Earth he was for Israel. It will be reasonable if we say that the person portrayed as Jesus (PBUH) the risen is none other than prophet Muhammed(PBUH) as he was for all nations.
Lets study:
Deut 18:18 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Matthew21:43 33 Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that will produce its fruit.
Quran 47:38 Behold, you are those invited to spend in the way of Allah: but among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But Allah is free of all wants, and it is you that are needy. If you turn back from the path, he will substitute in your place another people; then they would not be like you.
John 16:5 Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me,'Where are you going?' 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
John14:25"These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Thus if we equate "holy spirit" with Muhammed(PBUH), it looks well resonable AND HIS PRESENCE IN THIS WORLD AS GUIDER IS ESTABLISHED AND THE QUESTION ANSWERED THAT SUCH A HIGH RANKING FIGURE DOES APPEAR IN THE BIBLE !!
Please be Reminded Muslims Beleive in Jesus(PBUH). they do not betray Jesus(PBUH). It is the Jews that do. Thus Belief in Jesus does not prevent Muslims from Paradise at all !!
Further I am arguing so that to save people from Torment of Hell as promised in all the devine books. There is no personal benefits that are being achieved as I am not a priest but a student in the pursuit of TRUTH. May Allah(God) Guide us all to it.

if mohammad was for all nations, then why did he preach hatred against the Jews? why did he invaded Jewish towns and kill the jews? His hatred lives on today
The Qur'an not only ordered the killing of those who embraced Islam and afterwards decided to renegade, but also commanded the followers to fight all nations until they either believe in it, pay the Jizya or face death:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"
And in the same Sura, verse 5, the Qur'an also states: "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ..."

oriana wrote:

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if mohammad was for all nations, then why did he preach hatred against the Jews? why did he invaded Jewish towns and kill the jews? His hatred lives on today
The Qur'an not only ordered the killing of those......."Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden..."

Fantastic, what a question. It is generally used to tell people about Islam's violent conduct.
The Quranic verse goes on like this as below.
Verse 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.
Verse 9:6 If one among the pagans asks you for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
Verse 9:12 Will you not fight against those who have broken their oaths and have conspired to banush the messenger? They were the first to attack you.
Let me give you some background information.
The pagans,Beduoins, Jews (only those Jews tribes that were involved in igniting pagans and other tribes in the region to attack Muslims in Medinah while themselves sitting back and watching the show )
It happened after 3 offensives by the Disbeleivers against the Muslims. 1st war (War Badr) failed and Muslims were victorious. 2nd war(War Uhud) failed and neither of them won. 3rd War (Battle of trenches) organised by the Jews tribes and pagans together was meant to wipe out the Muslims in complete ( Army consisted of 10,000 disbeleivers all aimed to completely uproot Islam and kill each and every survivor ). The Jews had a history of planning wars in Arabia. They never fought themselves but always kept the pagan, bedouin tribes fighting amongst each other so that they could easily rule over them. Since Islam was gaining popularity, they saw it a threat to there rule over Arabia, and thus they wanted this fate for Muslims through a final and major offensive. Therefore this fate was reversed on them and the Jeweish tribe of Bani Quraizah whose all 600 men were killed by the Muslims after the battle of trenches (Note that the decision to slain them were taken by there appointed arbiterer). As for other tribes they were asked to leave and settle elsewhere without much bloodshed. it was only after these Jews tribes leaving Arabia did the fighting between the other tribes of Arabia end and thus they started building peace accords.
It is noteworthy that in QuranVerse 9:6 it is commanded to not to kill the assylum seekers but move them to a place of safety !!! Did anyone did this before Islam in WAR...NO...and one would Never expect do with the enemy.
Further Verse
9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
This verse declares Muslim states functioning. Unbeleiver Tribes under Muslim convenant will have to pay Jizya for their peace and security. In those times the taxes (Jizya) were being collected by the Roman Expire under whome fell most of the world. thus since Muslim were expected to take control they had to divert this tax (Jizya) for themselves and in return promising peace and security.
Hope that answers the questions and Allah(God) Knows best

yep. he preached hatred.

hardly a prophet.

you still haven't answered my question, though.

Ahmer Afaq wrote:

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Sorry If I ever offended you.

You are not sorry and don't pretend you are. Your false religion takes great pride in being a liar in such matters.

I have seen the marketing stuff. Your false religion has nothing to offer. It is a huge system of personal effort to gain your false god's favor.

This false religion would kill me for having written what I have just written.

Jesus, God the son, substituted Himself on the cross for mankind's sin against a Holy God. This is the love of God to have suffered rejection and humility for sin. The manmade system you preach is a selfish pack of burdens, works and worries, heaped on one's back.

Now, as for the opinion part. I am simply quoting from the new testament. The lake of fire is where one ends up without the savior. Since your false prophet died without a faith in the savior, Jesus, he is awaiting the pronouncement of judgement along with all of his followers that have listened to his false religion. My suggestion is that you do not number yourself with them.

The leaders of this false religion pump hatred into the followers, young children filled with hatred and zeal to be rewarded by a god that takes pleasure in their acts of murder and violence. These leaders willingly sacrifice others and others' children for their purpose, their agenda.

Don't pretend to manipulate and tell us what you want us to think about this violent, hateful false religion. This all is the sin, hate and murder Jesus has already paid the price for. Repent and worship the true God to find real love and eternal life from Him.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

oriana wrote:

yep. he preached hatred.
hardly a prophet.
you still haven't answered my question, though.

What have you to say about this extract from Torah ?
Torah-Numbers31:7They made war against Madyan, as God commanded Moses; and they killed every male. 8They killed the kings of Madyan with the rest of their slain: Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Madyan: also, Balaam Ibn Beor they killed with the sword. children of Israel took captive the women of Madyan and their little ones; and all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods, they took for a prey. 10All their cities in the places in which they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire

Mohamed was hardly the last prophet. ALL of the Prophets were Jews, with the exception of Mo the Pedophile, and Joseph Smith; who have both made their claims.

Why would the Lord of Hosts choose a caravan raiding mass murder as His Prophet? He wouldn't, Mo made the whole thing up.

our poor excuses. Amen to all the words you said, You have the knowledge of the Bible. God must speak to you through your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know Jesus too. I hope all the muslims will think and be converted to Christ.

Early Childhood Adv wrote:

How do you suppose all religions are able to be under one roof without anyone being attacked like they were on 9/11? It is difficult teaching children under normal circumstances because of language barriers...don't you think that perhaps instead the focus should be about how similar these religions are? The children are waiting...the drive by shootings are enough...do we really need to have more violence..or do you think it is time for peace? Again little ones...the future rests in your hands...maybe with some love, proper guidence from those younger than you (they seem to know how to make friends easier) and understanding, we might be able to truly share in the meaning of the holidays.

EXACTLY !!. THIS IS WHAT THE QURAN INSISTS.

Quran 5:77 "O People of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even Way.

Quran 3:64 Say: O people of the book come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah. If then they turn back, say: bear witness that we are muslims.

Quran 5:19 . O People of the Book! now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) Our Messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)"; but now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah(God) hath power over all things.

THE ONLY WAY TO INTER-RELIGIOUS HARMONY IS COMMON TERMS. THE QURAN HAS ALREADY FORETOLD IT. BUT WHO CARES !!!

Bao Vn wrote:

our poor excuses. Amen to all the words you said, You have the knowledge of the Bible. God must speak to you through your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know Jesus too. I hope all the muslims will think and be converted to Christ.

"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.(Mat 16:15-17)

Blessings on this special night ...

This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."

Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." (Luke 2:12-14)

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.(Isa 9:6-7)

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Our poor excuses wrote:

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You are not sorry and don't pretend you are. Your false religion takes great pride in being a liar in such matters.
I have seen the marketing stuff. Your false religion has nothing to offer. It is a huge system of personal effort to gain your false god's favor.
This false religion would kill me for having written what I have just written.
Jesus, God the son, substituted Himself on the cross for mankind's sin against a Holy God. This is the love of God to have suffered rejection and humility for sin. The manmade system you preach is a selfish pack of burdens, works and worries, heaped on one's back.
Now, as for the opinion part. I am simply quoting from the new testament. The lake of fire is where one ends up without the savior. Since your false prophet died without a faith in the savior, Jesus, he is awaiting the pronouncement of judgement along with all of his followers that have listened to his false religion. My suggestion is that you do not number yourself with them.
The leaders of this false religion pump hatred into the followers, young children filled with hatred and zeal to be rewarded by a god that takes pleasure in their acts of murder and violence. These leaders willingly sacrifice others and others' children for their purpose, their agenda.
Don't pretend to manipulate and tell us what you want us to think about this violent, hateful false religion. This all is the sin, hate and murder Jesus has already paid the price for. Repent and worship the true God to find real love and eternal life from Him.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

jeez...have you used the word "false" enough for tonight?
yes Islam is a false religion and Jesus is the son of God because the New Testament says so. there is nothing "false" about that.

Ourpoorexcuses. I am saying Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world, HE IS MY SAVIOUR. You must be a good teacher and preacher. Keep preaching the Word so people can hear and believe and accept Jesus as their Saviour so they can have eternal life. I will be praying for you, you can be sured that I pray for you.

Bao Vn wrote:

Ourpoorexcuses. I am saying Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world, HE IS MY SAVIOUR. You must be a good teacher and preacher. Keep preaching the Word so people can hear and believe and accept Jesus as their Saviour so they can have eternal life. I will be praying for you, you can be sured that I pray for you.

I understood that. You have been a blessing.

When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child,(Luke 2:17)