Michael Moore's letter to George Bush

TMS wrote:

newsgirl said: I have to disagree. He is no liberal, as most of our founders were liberalists.
Ohpleezpleezpleez....cite your source on this "most of our fathers were liberalists" before I blow a kidney from laughing...

Thar she blows!! You need a history lesson apparently.

"Many of the Founders advocated a government where representative democracy, the constitution and the courts form a system of checks and balances. The entire rational behind such a triangular system is to prevent too much power from accumulating in any one segment of society. We all know the old adage: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Liberals acknowledge the value of all three corners of this system. If anything, they would argue that democracy could be strengthened, because mass education has largely wiped out illiteracy in America. Therefore, more direct forms of democracy are possible, like state or even national referendums. More radical liberals advocate replacing our representative democracy with a direct one -- but there is a real question of whether or not the people are that educated.

Conservatives, on the other hand, argue that the constitution should be strengthened, and democracy proportionately weakened. Why? Because they perceive that the Constitution gives them the individual freedom to act however they want, as long as they don't violate other people's individual freedom. Democracy, on the other hand, often tells individuals what to do. If a law you voted against is passed, your personal will is denied. In other words, democracy forces individuals in the minority to act in the interest of the majority, which is why conservatives tend to oppose it. Libertarians take this opposition to an extreme."
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-liberalism.ht...

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
--Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on Virginia"
http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/305/foundfa...

http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism....

"The net of interaction which liberalism proposes is best known in the forms of the free market economy, and liberal democracy. In a wider sense it includes debate, exchange of ideas, and compromise."
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/li...

F Wiley Beacham wrote:

Earnestly I beseech the astute and courtly members of our great nation ... etc.

Michael Moore... I don't take the advice of someone who can't stop eating. Michael, move away from the buffet and put that fork down.

As for Wiley's comment...Mass media is the cultural glue of a highly technological society and the pop cultural icons will effect more change than politicians, the clergy, or philosophers. To be free of the influence of pop cultural icons one would have turn off the TV, stop watching main stream news, and control the intellectual input for the family. We see this sort of media avoidance with some fundamentalists sections of Christians, Jews and Muslims.

The less affluent, by the very nature of their pillar to post life, did not have the time to research political issues. Mass media and technology has changed that. Researching political issues has be made easier.

For the most part they did not vote because they didn't feel they are the target of politician's attention. With the next presidential election slated to be the first billion dollar election, tax breaks for the rich, cuts in medicare, education, vet benefits, etc. The less affluent were not far wrong.

But political landscape is changing.

Pop icons are influencing people. Beware of the hip hop mogal who goes out to "rock the vote". Beware of the actor or actress who rallies their fans to attend a meeting, show up for a protect, to boycott specific industries because of political reasons. If the 'great unwashed' is only watching TV or going to movies, listening to the radio, it stands to reason that someone is going to take advantage of those media outlets to get people to register to vote.

MySpace and text messaging are the newest methods to increase the youth vote. Voters registration drives are targeting the junior colleges and universities.

As the old guard dies, the boomers totter into their dotage, there's a generation coming up who are mad as heck and they are technologically savy. They are getting organized. They are using mass media to get their point across.

This is not to say I agree with Michael Moore or not. I'm saying that pop culture icons do have influence, like it or lump it.

Here's a bit of Latin for Wiley.

"omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis"

Translation: "all things change, and we change with them"

newsgirl said: Thar she blows!! You need a history lesson apparently. "Many of the Founders advocated a government where representative democracy, the constitution and the courts form a system of checks and balances."

Where in that explanation do you answer my question about the Founders being "liberalists"? You gave me a one-sentence quote (as well as some others) that meant nothing to your position, and then followed that up with your OPINION of what that quote means to make your case. Factually, you're unarmed...

Observer wrote:

"Michael Moore, without a doubt, is one of the top25 greatest Americans that have ever lived.'
Truly, this type of statement keeps me coming back to Topix. One of the top 25 Greatest Americans is rich. This guy isn't even one of McDonalds top 25 greatest customers. People, anyone who believes that Moore is friends with Uber Liberal deserves to believe that Moore is a great American.

I believe Uber liberal is stalking Michael Moore and/or having sexual fantasies about him! He seems to get very excited when he speaks of him and his books or movies....LOL Scary isn't it!!

TMS wrote:

Uber liberal wrote: "Moore, without a doubt, is one of the top 25 greatest Americans that have ever lived."
Here are uber liberal's other 24, in no particular order:
Coolio; Barry Switzer; Joan Rivers; Mel from the 70s sitcom "Alice"; Captain Caveman; the Palmolive lady (your hands are soaking in it!); The Rev. Jim Jones; Solomon Grundy; Colonel Sanders; the 2 fat guys on motorcycles poster; Mitch "Blood" Green; Mike Dukakis and Willie Horton; Marilyn Chambers; Captain Kangaroo; Chuck Norris; Pamela Smith; Jeff Gillooly; Chef Boy-ar-dee; Andy Dick; Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd; and the Captain and Tenille.

Hilarious....nice response....LMAO

newsgirl wrote:

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The entire rational behind such a triangular system is to prevent too much power from accumulating in any one segment of society. We all know the old adage: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

WOW!!!...this sure sounds like Louisiana politics to me.