East Timor courts 'failed state' tag
"The decision to have Portuguese as the national language has seen the education system reverse the gains made when Jakarta was in charge." Sydney, June 1 East Timorese too young to recall the dreadful violence ...
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A lack of communication said UN responsible. Only 5% of population speaks Portuguese. A lot of Portuguese teachers in Baucau some years ago, perhaps in 2004, had home attacked and burned but without casualties. It was a signal. This is the point which needs some attention. Beware despotism. Democracy is not a Portuguese speciality, as Mr.Guterrez UNHCR knows only since 1974. Portuguese educational system is itself in crisis. Portuguese teachers need knowing some rudiments of local language before departure from Europe, if not is a new kind of disguised neo-colonialism and Empire searching in cultural stupidity of the past. Science and technology associated is much more important. Portugal itself it is by tradition a traditionalist country even now with obscurantism. Not exactly a conservative country.
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The picture is a classic
We'll discuss the language thingy just after I pull this booger out |
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Portugese language in ET only benefits Portugese. Education in this area should be from english literature. ET can be independant with Tetum, Indonesian, and English and will aspire further and quicker if Portugese is omitted. The national language is Tetum (a very pretty language)the way to get things done is English. The way to confuse all neighbouring countries and themselves is to use Portugese.
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I'm totally agree with you ,David
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McGiver wrote :
"The picture is a classic We'll discuss the language thingy just after I pull this booger out" "thingy" is thing'y and "booger" is booeger. Boogie-woogie. |
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English??? Because they need to ask things in english??? Please..by that line of thinking..all the countries should establish english as their national language. Language is one of the universal distinctive features of a people. By use Tetum and Portuguese, East Timor keep the national heritage and the bond w/ Portugal (to the good and to the bad there are 4 centuries of common and paralel history). Furthermore, by using the portuguese language, ET, a small country is making a statement: they are different from their neighbours, they are not indonesian...and not a anglo-saxon/british commonwealth/australian protectorate. That statement of uniqueness can be done by using Tetum, but by adding Portuguese language Timor is able to spread wider that uniqueness (because Portuguese is the third major european language and is spoken by more than 200 million people). Unfortunely that anglo-saxon effort and will to force ET to adopte english language (a language never related w/ E Timor!!!) is one of the evidences of the long-term efforts made by australia to become a regional ruler, to dominate and influence all the neighbour countries, establishing a kind of new form of protectorate (or a new form of colonialism, we can say): an economical and cultural one. So... what are the real australian purposes? Neither in EU can say (except, perhaps your british long-term masters. |
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The Australians only purpose in helping E Timor is gratitude. They helped us greatly during WW2 and we are more than willing to return the favour. We don't need to dominate like the Europeans did and please don't judge us that way. My ancestors left Europe to get away from the controlling ruling classes and poverty. |
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Hi Sunshine! I hope what you said is true (Australia helping East Timor as a kind of gratitude). If one day Australia will to use the present deployment of troops to negotiate with the oil money that they suppose to pay back to East Timor, it will show that Australia have ulterior motive. Australia is a Great Nation, I personally felt that they are sincere by returning a favor for the Timoress.
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You may dream to your hearts content. But one day East Timor will end up with Indonesia, it is just common sense.
Portugal and Australia's interest will collide in the new power restructuring, as the hard line Falantil group will maintain 'Status Quo' with Mari Alkatiri at logger head with those who are keen to topple him and nominate Ramos Horta who is more favourable to Canberra overtures. So hombre and mates, just go home and make love to your woman, and leave East Timor alone. If it wasn't for the black gold = oil, you won't go thru all this trouble. As for language, let them speak 'Tetum', which may even unite the whole island once more. Long live 'Xanana'. |
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Gratitude...of course. I mean the australians love to import oil from the Middle East. I know they love to export to the Middle East, but the aussies passion really is to import from the Middle East. Your ancestors didn't leave Europe to get away from the controlling ruling classes. Your ancestors got KICKED OUT of Europe by the controlling ruling classes to whom they still lived indented to(in servitude as punishment for crimes they were deemed guilty of in the motherland). You can still hear how aussies love to kiss English ass by the way they talk. The closer the accent to the Queen's English (the posh kind) the higher their status in australian society. The more aussie twang the more working class the person is. ROIGHT? And it hasn't been until recently that the average aussie considered it shameful for their ancestors to have come to the new continent with their tail between their legs and a criminal record a nautical mile long. G'day |
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O mundo seria um lugar aborrecido se nós todos falássemos a mesma lÃngua. |
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HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE MOST ANGLO-SAXON/CELTIC PEOPLE WHO CAME TO AUSTRALIA DID SO AS FREE PEOPLE. |
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East Timor
Poor and getting Poorer about 40% of the population live bellow the poverty lineand education and health care remain patchy. Where is the six billion US dollars of gas revenue ? IT is such a failure of leadership. United Nation shoud take over the leadership of east timor for another 10 years until the East Timorese ready to go alone but for now no one is ready even xanana. God bless East Timor |
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Rome was not built in one day
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Life is making in two days ; but Carnival in four.
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Carnival is three days long!... |
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Ok ! I agree with this even I supposed that it was four : Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday ever year, since the long night of ancient times as the traditional period, whom whatsoever would criticize the powerful dignitaries, local or regional, central or international, since Roman Empire as I learnd in school. During the Tet period in February 1968 the Vietnamese choose this happy date of boom communication between us in Saigon and other towns to fight desperately against occupation, remember. New generation doesn't have had the necessary memory, namely because scholar books eliminated these things of knowledge even general and concise or comprehensive acquaintance with historical performance of Asian leaders as Giap, himself an old historian teacher during French occupation of Indochine, for instance. Now, United States open the possibility to Vietnam prepares its entryform in WTO and respects the past of both peoples. This is a model of Carnival respected.
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Oh really? So the surrounding Indonesian islands enjoy a booming economy thanks to Indonesian? And Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands are economic powerhouses thanks to English? Portuguese is NOT East Timor's national language, Tetum is, although both are official. Having Portuguese as an official language hasn't been a handicap for Macau, in fact, people from mainland China are going there to study Portuguese so they can trade with Brazil and Lusophone Africa. While it's nice that you regard Tetum as 'very pretty', you might like to know that it is heavily influenced by Portuguese, deriving about a third of its vocabulary from Portuguese. The Indonesians have more experience of abolishing and banning languages than they do of actually learning them, while the Australians, in common with most other native English speakers, are hard pressed to learn another 'lingo'.(And if the only languages worth learning are those of regional trade, why the hell are Aussies and Kiwis still learning French and German instead of Indonesian and Chinese? Racist double standards.) Most East Timorese I know speak four or five languages, and that's just for starters. How many do you speak? Before you ask, I speak Tetum, Portuguese and Indonesian... Gains made when Jakarta was in charge? What gains? Half the population was still illiterate in 1999? |
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Manuel & David, thanks for your comments. unfortunately, things can only be changed once you have legal ability to change, it depends to the law makes and the overall choices of the civic society of Timor Leste. I'm afraid, changing the language of a nation that has been written in the constitution back to Indonesian & english would be to serve those who wanted to capitalise east timor resources based on its people's stupidity. I guess, you two preferred an islamic culture to be based in Timor and serving the islamics & the australians interests, don't you. You f....cking idiots.
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I am completely agreed with Malae Oan, you deserve to get a credit for this. As respect comes before learning, then learning language such as Portuguese, Latin, Spanish or France, Germans, Italian, etc etc would be advantageous for the Timorese people to expand their broad minds with western society instead of sticking ourselves with bloody terrorists indonesians. I guess Manual and David should learn, do some more research on cultural aspects and try to compare them before spell out your own words.
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