Proof Jesus never existed

Rowan wrote:

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I see you are in deep fear of your "loving" God. I understand, Jesus is relentless. He has his this special chamber where he tortures people forever. Like Hannibal Lector but worse. That is why Christians fear him.

You do not know God, and are hostile to God.
You present twisted inventory rubbish.

Consider this, the jews were a nation set apart by God. They spoke of a coming Messiah, while at the same time the peoples surrounding them were making both human and animal sacrifices to their gods. The Jews were not a nation alone though, they had certain influence on those that came into contact with them, so certain new religions were born, which also began to speak of coming Messiahs.
Yes, Christians do have to suffer - many suffred for the spreading of the Gospel of Truth and were put to death by the Romans, and even by others whose doctrines became false.
Yes, Christians do have to suffer - suffer such fools as you.
Hence your confusion, and others, about history.
You are a professor of ignorance and lies. You will laugh at the things I have just told you. You do not know God. If you knew God, you would know that God is indeed love. No greater Love can God have than that presented by his Son. There was no hatred and evil in Jesus's eyes, he taught only love. Even to death on the cross, he only gave love back - "Father forgive them, because they don't know what they are doing!"
If these things were untrue then the prophets of God would not have been able to have foretold them.
Do you love God?
Or do you love twisted facts? lies are an enemy of God.

God is love.

tis-is-i wrote:

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Your foolish story don't mean a thing GOD norJESUS wants love that is not of free will
GOD would not force his love on us or force us to ove him
cuz you see it woud not be real love.Real love is of FREE WILL .so your stupid story is nonsence in others words aBIG FAT LIE.
PRAISE THE LORD JESUS PRAISE ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER OF ALL

Good you bring this up!

You are right!
God's love is pure love
But
Jesus loves in not pure love!

Why? Because pure love is UNSELFISH love! But Jesus love is NOT unselfish. He want something in return. He wants you soul and he demands your obedience! Tou must be obedient to him!

That is because obedience is the most important value Romans taught to their slaves and solders. OBEDIENCE.

Jesus wants something in return for his love, his love is not unselfish. Neither does Jesus ask unselfish love. He bribes people with the promise of heaven, and he blackmails them with threat of eternel torture.

How can a man have a free choice if God threatens him wiht eternel torture if the makes the wrong choice?

This is no love, this is blackmail. Well God does not blackmail people, neither does he torture his own creatures on purpose like Jesus does.

Jesus love is inferior to a mothers love. No loving mother would ever stop loving her child for making mistakes. No mother would throw her own child into the fire.

But Jesus does
He can never be God

And luckily he is not
He is an invention of the Roman slave society
Read the truth:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

tis-is-i wrote:

JESUS IS THE TRUTH ,THE LIGHT,AND THE WAY
some day all you nonbelivers will see and hear the truth,JESUS IS LOVE and I am proud to belive in him and spread his fathers word.

That is your fantasy, yes.... and your pipe dream about every knee bowing and tongue confessing satisfies your lust for vengeance, yes?

freewheeling frank wrote:

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proof you're a retard...
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.h...
case closed.
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Wow, you're intelligent. You can paste links from christian websites, then say something as original as "case closed".

I bet that makes you feel good doesn't it?

ill pray 4 u all

Card Carrying Zionist wrote:

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I'm not a Christian, but Christianity seems to be significant enough toi warrant a website denouncing it. BTW, why should anyone obey your pontificating? If they want to follow Christianity, what business is that of yours? Live and let live.

Good point. If christianity is as fake as he says it is, then it will die out on it's own (which it is, slowly).

Sunshine wrote:

May God have Mercy on your Souls!!! When you are in front of our lord on judgement day, lets see and hear what you beg for.....

Another bloodthirsty christian vengeance fantasy.

Lets start a new church.Rebuild it make it a place without hate.We can do it.No more lies,sex hungry preachers,no more rummers. Church people are 2 faced shake your hand as one pic pockets you.

A Son Of God wrote:

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You do not know God, and are hostile to God.
You present twisted inventory rubbish.
Consider this, the jews were a nation set apart by God. They spoke of a coming Messiah, while at the same time the peoples surrounding them were making both human and animal sacrifices to their gods. The Jews were not a nation alone though, they had certain influence on those that came into contact with them, so certain new religions were born, which also began to speak of coming Messiahs.
Yes, Christians do have to suffer - many suffred for the spreading of the Gospel of Truth and were put to death by the Romans, and even by others whose doctrines became false.
Yes, Christians do have to suffer - suffer such fools as you.
Hence your confusion, and others, about history.
You are a professor of ignorance and lies. You will laugh at the things I have just told you. You do not know God. If you knew God, you would know that God is indeed love. No greater Love can God have than that presented by his Son. There was no hatred and evil in Jesus's eyes, he taught only love. Even to death on the cross, he only gave love back - "Father forgive them, because they don't know what they are doing!"
If these things were untrue then the prophets of God would not have been able to have foretold them.
Do you love God?
Or do you love twisted facts? lies are an enemy of God.
God is love.

You think I am your enemy because a book tells you.
You think you have to suffer because a book says you have to suffer.
You think I despise you because a book says so

You do not live in reality but in a book
Your believes have taken over your mind
You interpretate everthing from the books view

I do not hate you, I love you and all people on earth. I want to help people to be free of the mind programming. Do not be so hostile, I am only helping you.

You live in a dream, but is more like a nightmare. You are told you are evil and only Jesus can save you. When you started believing this, you became dependent like a drugaddict thinks he is dependent on the drug.

You think you need Jesus because you are evil. You need him to forgive you, while you continu to do evil things in his name. But deep inside you know it is wrong.

And yes you will pay the price, in this life or the next. You can not escape this by believing in the myth of a book. You can not deceive God by deceiving yourself

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

You want to be rewarded? Be a loving person. Stop spreading your hate for so called unbelievers. You are not a good person because you believe a myth. You are a victim.

Why do those cristains tell so many lies?

tttttttttt wrote:

Lets start a new church.Rebuild it make it a place without hate.We can do it.No more lies,sex hungry preachers,no more rummers. Church people are 2 faced shake your hand as one pic pockets you.

Lets not rebuild the church, but the temple in our heart.

Churches are barnes where cattle are driven in to listen to indoctrinal speeches of leaders. They even dehumanize them by calling the "flock" and "sheep". The powerseekers call themselves: "leaders", "fuhrers", "pastors"

Nobody needs a leader to come to God. If people want to congregate to worhsip God, this is fine, but do not put leaders above them to explain God so called "will".

This is the system that was devised by dictators. They are the ones the created the idea the Man is ruled by kings on earth AND in heaven. And they told the people the king on earth was chosen or even family of the king in heaven. They made God an accomplice.

That is how the Romans shaped Christianity too. The popes ruled the earth. They even had the brutality to put in the bible that the decissions they made on eath would go for heaven as well, making them both ruler of earth and heaven.

This has nothing to do with God or Spirituality. This is making the Divine an instrument for evil powerseekers, calling themselves "pastors over the flock".

Read how this system was developed by the Romans

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

Rowan wrote:

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Stop spreading your hate for so called unbelievers. You are not a good person because you believe a myth. You are a victim.

There are unbelievers, and there are unbelievers also. The Gospel is not a message of hatred.
Truly, even among Christians there is confusion!
There is a difference between, being saved, not being save, and being condemned. Would God really condemn one who has never even come to hear of Christ? What if this one is a poor starving child who suffers through others greed even?
Come the end you will see. And others will see also. The day of judgement will not be in Heaven, but will be here on Earth. For a person cannot enter heaven unless they are born of body, soul and spirit. Christ himself is the judge.
Some are Christian in name only - and miserable comforters they are also - they do not know God as well as they think!
God is of mercy, compassion and understanding - God knows the heart.

God is Love.

why wrote:

Why do those cristains tell so many lies?

Because a lie must be maintained. Truth not. Truth will always emerge. That is why onc you start to lie you will need to keep on lying to cover your old lies.

The worst lying is the lying that people do to themselves. The ones that shout: "Jesus is real" do this because they have deep doubt they must silence by shouting. They lie to themselves.

And if you continue this lie half you life, it becomes even more desperate to cling on to this lie. That is why they go on.

But they do not need to. They can simply be free by letting go of the lie. They can simply drop the fear and be free. They are not evil, they have only been programmed to believe so.

The rich will always make the poor believe they are evil. That is what a slavesociety does. That is what the Romans did.

A Son Of God wrote:

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There are unbelievers, and there are unbelievers also. The Gospel is not a message of hatred.
Truly, even among Christians there is confusion!
There is a difference between, being saved, not being save, and being condemned. Would God really condemn one who has never even come to hear of Christ? What if this one is a poor starving child who suffers through others greed even?
Come the end you will see. And others will see also. The day of judgement will not be in Heaven, but will be here on Earth. For a person cannot enter heaven unless they are born of body, soul and spirit. Christ himself is the judge.
Some are Christian in name only - and miserable comforters they are also - they do not know God as well as they think!
God is of mercy, compassion and understanding - God knows the heart.
God is Love.

This judgement thing, makes the Divine into a Ceasar that give the thumbs up or the thumbs down. This has nothing to do with real spirituality.

The Romans literalized religious tales to make it more suitable for the common people. And now many people instead of trying to experience the divine in his creation are believing tales.

Tales that have become hopelessly out of date. And the harder to believe they became the more they became a matter of belief.

For a Roman in the first centuries it was not at all difficult to believe that God and his household lived up there in the sky. That is what they believed, literally!

But later we became aware that No King lives in the sky, and there is universe beyound the sky that makes this earth less than atom in a grain of sand on the whole earth.

And still people that have been programmed from childhood firmly believe that a King in heaven sits on his throne and judges his creations. The less likely it became the more the church started to command the people they had to believe it blindly. The belief only became stronger. Now it is no more than that: a belief in a book.

This belief has nothing to do with reality and nothing to do with spirituality, and nothing to do with the Divine. It is simply the Roman based power system in which people are indoctrinated to serve the empire.

And it still works today.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

Rowan wrote:

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Because a lie must be maintained. Truth not. Truth will always emerge. That is why onc you start to lie you will need to keep on lying to cover your old lies.
The worst lying is the lying that people do to themselves. The ones that shout: "Jesus is real" do this because they have deep doubt they must silence by shouting. They lie to themselves.
And if you continue this lie half you life, it becomes even more desperate to cling on to this lie. That is why they go on.
But they do not need to. They can simply be free by letting go of the lie. They can simply drop the fear and be free. They are not evil, they have only been programmed to believe so.
The rich will always make the poor believe they are evil. That is what a slavesociety does. That is what the Romans did.

That is what you have been given to think. Things are not quite what you think.
I have said already the Jewish influence went beyond their borders, causing new religions to be born. The Stoic religion, and others, had it's influence from the Jewish prophets! But only the Jewish Messiah was born.
If the gospel were not true, it would not have stood. Easier would it have been to follow emperor as god. The Romans put out many lies and tried to wipe Christianity out. Rome collapsed.
There is much you do not understand. I do not condemn you, for I am not to judge you - you just do not understand.
Look closer into how history emerged and came to pass. Not just New Testament history, but Old Testament history also, and how the Jews came into contact with other lands, and how influence spread. The truth will unravel. It is still there.

God is Love.

scambuster wrote:

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Good point. If christianity is as fake as he says it is, then it will die out on it's own (which it is, slowly).

Christianity will nor die out. But maybe we can civilize it. Now chrisitianity is a not a civilizing force. In fact it is the perfect excuse for being uncivilized. The Romans are called civilized because they were great architects, lawgivers, organizers, created beatifull art.

But at heart the Romans were all but civilized. It was only the outside that was impressive. We see the same in a country like the USA. It boasts how great it is, it calls itself the greates nation on earth. It sees itself as chosen by God. Even all the aliens land there.

There is no denying it is a remarkable country, Its techonology and science, its skyscrapers, its display of power are impressive. But are the Americans truly civilized? Then why are they in war every generation? Why to spread pictures of hate and violence over the world. Why is there so much crime. Why can't they live without a weapon?

The US is not a civilized country and Christian culture is at the heart of this. The US is new empire. The US is present successor of old Rome. And it thinks like Rome. It has the same ideology as Rome. This ideology drives the empire, but does it really make the americans a happy people? I don't think so.

All these dreams of greatness and belief they do Gods will, changes nothing from the fact that they go to countries and shoot it to pieces, not to serve a higher ideal, but to make big money for very uggly people. All in the name of Jesus, because if you do it in the name of JEsus it is good. And if you feel bad you simply ask forgiveness. That is what the empire needs do horrible things.

Do evil, ask forgiveness
Do evil, ask forgiveness
Do evil, ask forgiveness

This ideology was deviced by the Romans to perpetuate evil. No army can do without it. The soldiers in Iraq are praying every day.

Today mylord, I shoot this little girl. She stormed out of the house and in an instance I shot her face to pieces. It was horrible my lord. The mother came out an started to cry and shout insults. I really feel bad, mylord, please forgive me. I only wanted to serve my country and defend the cristian culture against these barbarians that denounce you. But still I feel guilty, pleasse forgive me mylord

Yes Americans believe they can defend their civilisation 4000km from home. Why? Because like the romans it is their duty to bring Christianity all over the world. Yes they have this duty to save people and if in the proces the people get hurt that is the will of God.

This is an imperialist ideology. It has nothting to do with the divine. It was developed to serve the Roman empire.

It has nothing to do wiht the Divine

A Son Of God wrote:

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That is what you have been given to think. Things are not quite what you think.
I have said already the Jewish influence went beyond their borders, causing new religions to be born. The Stoic religion, and others, had it's influence from the Jewish prophets! But only the Jewish Messiah was born.
If the gospel were not true, it would not have stood. Easier would it have been to follow emperor as god. The Romans put out many lies and tried to wipe Christianity out. Rome collapsed.
There is much you do not understand. I do not condemn you, for I am not to judge you - you just do not understand.
Look closer into how history emerged and came to pass. Not just New Testament history, but Old Testament history also, and how the Jews came into contact with other lands, and how influence spread. The truth will unravel. It is still there.
God is Love.

The emperor did not follow the religion, he forged it into a state ideology. Christianity was made by the emperors by combining cults. Christianity did not exist before, there were only numerous cults that were awating the new comming of the SunGod. Around the year 0 the Sun entered the star constellation of Fish and the sun cults awated for the sun to take a new shape. these cults had a wide range of ideas. Parts of which were incarnated in Christianity. Whatever was succesfull was brought into it.

To know what really happened you must allow yourself to read outside of the book. Otherwise you will not even understand the meaning of what you read. You may think you know and give all kinds of meanings to it, but that is only your mind trying to make something correlated out of all the mumbo jumbo. The more you do your best the more you feel satisfied, because you did it yourself.

But you have been fooled by very clecer people, who knew how the mind of the people can be controlled.

Put the book aside, take a plonge in reality:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

Rowan wrote:

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The emperor did not follow the religion, he forged it into a state ideology. Christianity was made by the emperors by combining cults. Christianity did not exist before, there were only numerous cults that were awating the new comming of the SunGod. Around the year 0 the Sun entered the star constellation of Fish and the sun cults awated for the sun to take a new shape. these cults had a wide range of ideas. Parts of which were incarnated in Christianity. Whatever was succesfull was brought into it.
To know what really happened you must allow yourself to read outside of the book. Otherwise you will not even understand the meaning of what you read. You may think you know and give all kinds of meanings to it, but that is only your mind trying to make something correlated out of all the mumbo jumbo. The more you do your best the more you feel satisfied, because you did it yourself.
But you have been fooled by very clecer people, who knew how the mind of the people can be controlled.
Put the book aside, take a plonge in reality:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

Yes. The Emperor did not follow Christianity, The Roman Empire was terrible. In the end it became a matter of the emperor taking Christianity in order to save Rome. Then it became mixed in with certain Roman theology. Do you understand what I am saying here? Many that would not follow that theology were put to death as heretics. However, the central message of the True gospel remained. And it is still there.
Going back to early Christianity, certain symbols already in existence were adopted to become a disguise, such as that of the fish. It would be put on doors as a code, and followers recognised and understood it. To others it was a familiar symbol, so they did not understand the significance on a door. They did not stop to think about why the symbol was now appearing on doors. This was a familiar symbol. Why did they choose the symbol of the fish? Because some of the Apostles were fishermen, and Jesus said they would now become fishers of men.
There is more to the Roman Catholic Church than you might think. There is something even many Roman Catholics do not know!
It is symbolic of Christ having all things under His Feet - that sentence needs considering very carefully. There is far more to it than meets the eye.

God is Love.

Rowan wrote:

New historical finds now prove what many have previously suspected.

Your a nutcase - see help

A Son Of God wrote:

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Yes. The Emperor did not follow Christianity, The Roman Empire was terrible. In the end it became a matter of the emperor taking Christianity in order to save Rome. Then it became mixed in with certain Roman theology. Do you understand what I am saying here? Many that would not follow that theology were put to death as heretics. However, the central message of the True gospel remained. And it is still there.
Going back to early Christianity, certain symbols already in existence were adopted to become a disguise, such as that of the fish. It would be put on doors as a code, and followers recognised and understood it. To others it was a familiar symbol, so they did not understand the significance on a door. They did not stop to think about why the symbol was now appearing on doors. This was a familiar symbol. Why did they choose the symbol of the fish? Because some of the Apostles were fishermen, and Jesus said they would now become fishers of men.
There is more to the Roman Catholic Church than you might think. There is something even many Roman Catholics do not know!
It is symbolic of Christ having all things under His Feet - that sentence needs considering very carefully. There is far more to it than meets the eye.
God is Love.

You have to understand that the church have been writing the history books for almost two thounsand years. And they invented these stories. Becuase Jesus was proposed as a martyr, all christians and and all christian hero's were made to look as martyrs. These are complete lies.

But what else could they say? They could hardly say the truth. The could hardly say we murdered millions and millions to get the Roman state ideology accepted. But that is what really happened. Education had been in the hands of these guys for a long time, they tought what they wanted people to believe and that is why people are convinced it is true.

Most people seldom question their own knowledge. But if they would, the would have to admit what they think to know comes from outer sources that have a stake in letting people believe these ideas.

People have been raised not only wiht these ideas. They have been raised with the idea they may not question their believes. That alone is enough proof, that these believes are false.

Because if these believes where really truth, they would only encourage you to investigate them. No they are only encouraged to read the bible and listen to the good folks that repeat the some lines. People that tell different are immediately demonized.

I am not going to convince you, neither do I desire to. But there are people who are truly seeking the truth, people that are not afraid to think outside the box. People that have questions like I had when I was young. People that have pure hearts and feel that something is wrong.

To those people I reach out.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/je...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.h...
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/