Are afghans and turks white?

Mike wrote:

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Afghan's are pure Aryans. They are one of the few-if not only-people who have had no racial mixing in their history. 100% Aryan.

you are totally right they are 100% aryan because another name for there country is aryana

yola wrote:

i have seen plently of afghan who are beautiful white skin, only ignorant racist turk, believe that iranian , afghan are dark, no matter how many time you explain it for them, specially those azeri who consider themself oghuz, with their stupid cuacus theory.
turk are mongol period.
if you see a turk , with european look, they are turkified greek, and other eastern european.

turk are turks they have brains the size of turkeys it doesnt matter how many times you expain it to them they just dont get it

Lenna wrote:

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more importantly which afghan kicked your ass and the rejected you?

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the one on the left :D

I would say Afghans are more white than turks because the origin of turks are mongols,while the afghans are supposed to be from India.

Turks are mongols not white. You can´t be something you are not.

rthemvn wrote:

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Turks were Mongol once but have had Mongol genes pretty much bred out of them though hundreds and even thousands of years of coexistence with Europeans. Most Turks I see do not look Mongol at all, with a minority having minor Mongol features. There are some people in Turkey that look very Mongol, but they are a small moniority.

Your wrong, no one denies Aryan roots but for you to claim Afghan Greek IS a myth is assanine. Balkh was the center of eastern Greek culture which later developed into its own unique hybrid of Greek, Kushinian-Tocharian, and budiest cultures, lasting from 200 BCE until the Moslem conquiest 750 CE. Secondly it seems your interest is to steal Afghan history for India, since you referred to Afghan Aryans as indo-Aryans; correction Afghan Aryans where just Aryans or Zend-Aryans from witch the Persians, Medea originated. The indo-Aryans broke off much earlier and also originated from Afghanistan but went towards Indus valley and mixed with dervidians who where the Indian aborginal people. Secondly, Greek Archiological history dots Afghanistan. From coins to statutes and recent excavation of archeological site in Bagram and the famous Greek city of Ai Khanum. The city's findings were just exhibited in London, go ahead and youtube Ai Khanum exhibit.

rthemvn wrote:

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Turks were Mongol once but have had Mongol genes pretty much bred out of them though hundreds and even thousands of years of coexistence with Europeans. Most Turks I see do not look Mongol at all, with a minority having minor Mongol features. There are some people in Turkey that look very Mongol, but they are a small moniority.

Your wrong, no one denies Aryan roots but for you to claim Afghan Greek IS a myth is assanine. Balkh was the center of eastern Greek culture which later developed into its own unique hybrid of Greek, Kushinian-Tocharian, and budiest cultures, lasting from 200 BCE until the Moslem conquiest 750 CE. Secondly it seems your interest is to steal Afghan history for India, since you referred to Afghan Aryans as indo-Aryans; correction Afghan Aryans where just Aryans or Zend-Aryans from which the Persians, Medea originated. The indo-Aryans broke off much earlier and also originated from Afghanistan but went towards Indus valley and mixed with dervidians who where the Indian aborginal people. Secondly, Greek Archiological history dots Afghanistan. From coins to statutes and recent excavation of archeological site in Bagram and the famous Greek city of Ai Khanum. The city's findings were just exhibited in London, go ahead and youtube Ai Khanum exhibit.

Honestly, most of you just like to randomly say what comes to your mind without any creditable references nor are you willing to educate yourselfs before stating your opinions. Let me remind you I have been studying this topic for twenty years.
Again I don't want to diverge from the orginal topic of WHY ARE AFGHANS, TURKS WHITE and merge into other unnecessary debates with persons that have unfounded information by the archeological, anthropological academic community.

Lastly, Turks are a variable people but it remains that the Turks are the Seljuk from the near east. Modern day Turkey has Seljuk frequency but much more original Hitetis, Greek, Persian, Arab frequency. Secondly many Slavic's, Albanians where brought as children from Ottoman conquered lands to be trained in the Ottoman army. So Turkey by far will be a white nation as a result of this mixing, and they will have very little resemblence to say Uzbek, Kergiz, Turkomem people who are still strongly genetically Seljuk Turk or original Turk.

Lastly, Turks are a variable people but it remains that the Turks are the Seljuk from the near east. Modern day Anatolia called Turkey today, has Seljuk frequency but much more original Hetites, Punic-Greek, Persian, Arab frequencies. Secondly many Slavic's, Albanians where brought as children from Ottoman conquered lands to be trained in the Ottoman army. So Turkey by far will be a white nation as a result of this and the will have very little resemblence to say Uzbek, Kergiz, Turkomen people who are still strongly genetically Seljuk

The Pashtuns in Pakistan should no longer be considered Afghans since they are mostly mixed with Punjabies and resemble Indians. Therefore to differenciate them, it is proper to call them Pathans which they refer to themselves by rather than Pashtun. Secondly, their indian diet, culture, pheno appearance, and manners are totally foreign to most Afghans. Afghans have a cultural affinity with Iranians and they have been linked to Iran from the beginning. Many Afghan pashtuns speak Dari-Persian and intern have mixed with Tajiks or eastern Persians. In the modern era up until Soviet invasion in 1979 Afghans were very much living like the Iranian sharing common language, culture, foods, holidays (Now Roz),poetry, Googosh and many other things. In fact the father of modern day Afghanistan, Ahmad shah Durrani was a Persian General under Nader shah the king of Persia the during mid 17th century. The Afghan-Durrani contengency defeated the Ottoman Turks and took many lost land for Savfid Persia. Most modren Afghans are decendent of the Durrani; the Durrani Pashtuns were heavily mixed with Persians and most of them spoke Persian as primerary language. Most Afghan kings were desentent from Durrani. A classic Afghan film link on the bottom before the Russian and later Pakistani invasions.

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Classic Afghan film links on the bottom before the Pakistani invasion and distruction.

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And here is a link to Greek city state in Afghanistan.

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it is believed that when alexander the great and his army came down through asia, they went through that Turkey/Afghanistan area. a loottt of afghans inherited verrryyy european looks. http://contest.afghanistanmatters.com/wp-cont...
those children are afghan, and the majority of my family looks like that. and http://www.plu.edu/scene/issue/2003/spring/im...

the darker afghans are mostly pashtun or come from the areas that are near pakistan. but a lot of afghans have a more asian look, my mother's side (for example) are hazaras. though she has an asian face, petite body and pale skin, she has a caucasian nose and she also has bright green eyes, and my father has bright green eyes with a prominent nose too. the genetics in afghanistan is extraordinarily complex, they all come from different places and can be traces back to numerous areas.

afghans are beautiful people im not afghan but i have live there for 25 years and i have more white people their then i have here in north america

charlollove777 wrote:

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what are you talking about? Afghans are the same as indians from india. india is much richer than afghanistan in culture,history,looks,beauty! india is 100x more beautiful country than afghanistan!

girl open your eyes

AFG wrote:

it is believed that when alexander the great and his army came down through asia, they went through that Turkey/Afghanistan area. a loottt of afghans inherited verrryyy european looks. http://contest.afghanistanmatters.com/wp-cont...
those children are afghan, and the majority of my family looks like that. and http://www.plu.edu/scene/issue/2003/spring/im...
the darker afghans are mostly pashtun or come from the areas that are near pakistan. but a lot of afghans have a more asian look, my mother's side (for example) are hazaras. though she has an asian face, petite body and pale skin, she has a caucasian nose and she also has bright green eyes, and my father has bright green eyes with a prominent nose too. the genetics in afghanistan is extraordinarily complex, they all come from different places and can be traces back to numerous areas.

DNA tests prove otherwise. There is very little or any Greek blood in Afghans. You can get Nordic looking Afghans too but doesn't mean they are from Northern Europe. Some of these kids could easily be from Northern Europe, even Scandinavia.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/505/afgh...

http://www.matthewleeming.com/images/blondred...

charlollove777 wrote:

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what are you talking about? Afghans are the same as indians from india. india is much richer than afghanistan in culture,history,looks,beauty! india is 100x more beautiful country than afghanistan!

Not in a million years. Just look at Bollywood where they try to find actors that do not look fully Indian. That alone should tell you they do not consider themselves good looking.

Ok here is the history behind afghans. Afghanistan has many ethnicity, the actual afghan race is Pashtun race they are said to be from lost israel tribe. However about caucasian race yes they are considered to be caucasian race. Here you go check it out yourself.

it has nothing to do with Alexander or anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

aab wrote:

Ok here is the history behind afghans. Afghanistan has many ethnicity, the actual afghan race is Pashtun race they are said to be from lost israel tribe. However about caucasian race yes they are considered to be caucasian race. Here you go check it out yourself.
it has nothing to do with Alexander or anything else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Pashtuns belong to are mostly European haplogroups and nothing to do with Jews. Any Semitic blood in Afghanistan will have come from the Arabs.