Defeat in Maine a Harsh Blow to Gay-Marriage Drive

Craig in OKC wrote:

<quoted text> And eventually you will lose. History and what is right is on our side.
What do you have on your side? Oh, yeah... let's see: The Inquisition, The Crusades, burning people at the stake, Hitler, Slavery, Segregation... Yeah, your side sure has a long history of doing the right thing.
You might want to find a tar pit soon, because your breed will soon go way of the dinosaur.

Decent moral up right God fearing people are here to stay.
You suffer from "delusion of grandeur" , grandiose delusion delusional conviction of one's own importance, power, or knowledge.
At a whopping 2-3% of Americans the queer community is too small to worry about.
Stick a fork in it---Your done!

“A Proud Gay Parent”

Since: Mar 08

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SHADOW wrote:

<quoted text>
Decent moral up right God fearing people are here to stay.
You suffer from "delusion of grandeur" , grandiose delusion delusional conviction of one's own importance, power, or knowledge.
At a whopping 2-3% of Americans the queer community is too small to worry about.
Stick a fork in it---Your done!

Oh, Shadow, Shadow, Shadow.. no matter how hard you stomp your feet, no matter how hard you cry about preserving your right to discriminate and no matter how many times you tell us we're wrong - we won't go away. EVER. We'll never be done until we have full equality - and it will come.

You can scream to the mountaintops how immoral, depraved etc we are - but we will still be here fighting the good fight. You can tell us we're going to hell, that we violate YOUR code, and that YOUR god hates us. We'll still be here.

It's always apparent when a fundie starts getting frustrated because he starts making very outlandish claims and gets very emotional about it - like Glenn Beck with his crocodile tears! And, that's when we know we are making headway. So, keep rending your cloth and gnashing your teeth - because we'll still be here.

Nope, not nearly done. Not even close!

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SHADOW wrote:

<quoted text>
Your right you should be able to marry your goldfish.
Why don't you take your perversion and go name it something like all queers would like and stop pretending your getting married?
Marriage=one man & one woman PERIOD

1. Why the hysterics? Why would you compare same-sex marriage to inter-species marriage? What in your brain would lead you to believe that this would be in any way a logical next step? Stop with the drama. Statements like this don't make you sound logical, they make you sound ignorant and immature.
2. Again, you like this word "perversion" but the concept of perversion is very subjective. There is nothing that says, "All behaviors that fall into this category are perverse." There are behaviors that don't seem to serve any purpose, or that seem to defy logic, but as far as being "perverse", that's completely up to the observer.
What I'm trying to say is, you keep referring to it as perverse but all you're doing is demonstrating your own fear.
3. You don't own the concept of marriage. No one does. The concept of marriage is the union of two people who love each other. If you choose to say it's the union of one man and one woman, then if that works for you, knock yourself out. But it's not a universal truth. Just like the word "sh!t" isn't inherently a curse word, we've just made it that way.
4. Marriage=one man & one woman PERIOD is wrong. Marriage=one man & one woman RIGHT NOW. Have you not looked at the history of marriage as I asked? At one time (and in many societies even today) marriage could be one man and several women. Marriage could have been one woman and several men (which, of course, wouldn't do us much good in the way of procreation).
Besides, what do you think would happen if the Government recognized same-sex marriage? Do you think they'd use up all the vouchers?

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SHADOW wrote:

<quoted text>
Decent moral up right God fearing people are here to stay.
You suffer from "delusion of grandeur" , grandiose delusion delusional conviction of one's own importance, power, or knowledge.
At a whopping 2-3% of Americans the queer community is too small to worry about.
Stick a fork in it---Your done!

I find your joy and elation concerning this event most disturbing. Why such hatred? Why so against same-sex marriage? Would it affect you somehow? Your family?
And, actually, if you go by the attendance records, "Decent, moral, up-right, God-fearing people" are on the decline.
And being against same-sex marriage (or homosexuality in general) does not make you decent, moral or up-right. Decent, moral and up-right people believe in equality and personal freedom.
It might make you God-fearing though, which, really, nobody should be. Like Ian McKellen said in his portrayal of Eric Magnus Lensherr in X-Men, "Are you a god-fearing man, Senator? That is such a strange phrase. I've always thought of god as a teacher - a bringer of light, wisdom, and understanding."

Mr Claude Balls

Westlake, OH

Howdy, two quick questions for the pro gay marriage folks:
1. Do you see marriage and holy matrimony as the same thing?
2. If same sex marriage was the law of the land, would you advocate civil prosecution of a clergyman who refused to perform the ceremony?

WeElectedABunchO fIdiots

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Craig in OKC wrote:

<quoted text> And eventually you will lose. History and what is right is on our side.
What do you have on your side? Oh, yeah... let's see: The Inquisition, The Crusades, burning people at the stake, Hitler, Slavery, Segregation... Yeah, your side sure has a long history of doing the right thing.
You might want to find a tar pit soon, because your breed will soon go way of the dinosaur.

You might want to recall a little thing called the Roman Empire...
They had a little problem with keeping their moral focus as well.
Look what happened to them.
Study history, or you are doomed to repeat it.

Marvin in Denver

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Hold please wrote:

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I'm still stuck on your view of the concept of "traditional marriage". Marriage has changed in both practice and definition so much over the years that I'm interested to know exactly what you think "traditional marriage" is.
Here's a quick primer on the history of marriage and it's many forms: http://marriage.about.com/cs/generalhistory/a...
And do you not see how you allowing your prejudices to deny someone the right to marry is a form of brutality?
In case you don't:
bru·tal·i·ty
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being brutal
2 : a brutal act or course of action
bru·tal
Function: adjective
1 archaic : typical of beasts : animal
2 : befitting a brute: as
a : grossly ruthless or unfeeling
b : cruel, cold-blooded
c : harsh, severe
d : unpleasantly accurate and incisive
e : very bad or unpleasant

If I took a baseball bat and cracked your skull, that would be "bru·tal·i·ty".

Whereas, citizens in 31 states VOTING for legitimate marriages to "REMAIN" between one man and one woman is "status quo", and is NOT "bru·tal·i·ty" by ANY definition of the word.

That wasn't even a GOOD TRY!

“A Proud Gay Parent”

Since: Mar 08

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Oklahoma City

Mr Claude Balls wrote:

Howdy, two quick questions for the pro gay marriage folks:
1. Do you see marriage and holy matrimony as the same thing?
2. If same sex marriage was the law of the land, would you advocate civil prosecution of a clergyman who refused to perform the ceremony?

Not sure who you are asking, or why, but I'll answer for you.
1. Not at all. There are some people who are married but never went through a holy matrimony ceremony and don't even believe in holy matrimony. Yet, our state has no problem in defining them as married. On the other hand, there are some couples who have gone through holy matrimony, or as some call holy committment, ceremonies through their faith of choice, but are not recognized as married by the state. These would be many gay couples - but I also know of some straight couples who have done this out of alliance with gays. You then have a third category. Those who are married, as recognized by the state, and when through holy matrimony. These would be those couples who got married in a church ceremony.
2. Absolutely not! Just as I don't think somebody's faith should dictate the law of the land, I don't think the law of the land should dictate somebody's faith. Just as today I think it's just and fair that a clergyperson can deny marrying a couple because he doesn't think they are ready, they are inter-faithed, or any number of reasons. I may not agree with their decision. I may personally think it's narrow minded. But, I would never say they don't have a right to it and to administer their duties as a clergy based on it.
Now, don't confuse that with a Justice of the Peace or a Judge of the Court. They are a public servent and are required to only preside according to the laws of the land.

“A Proud Gay Parent”

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Marvin in Denver wrote:

<quoted text>
If I took a baseball bat and cracked your skull, that would be "bru·tal·i·ty".
Whereas, citizens in 31 states VOTING for legitimate marriages to "REMAIN" between one man and one woman is "status quo", and is NOT "bru·tal·i·ty" by ANY definition of the word.
That wasn't even a GOOD TRY!

Actually it WASN'T "status quo" in all 31 states. Status quo is keeping things as they are with no change. In CA and ME gay marriage was legal. Hence, it was status quo.
Now, on to the brutality. So, I'm guessing you think if a parent does no physical harm to their child, yet never shows love, compassion etc. Never acknowledges them or speaks to them and always excludes them from the family, that that's not brutality? You seriously can say that brutality only exists in physical harm?

SHADOW

Hold please wrote:

<quoted text>
1. Why the hysterics? Why would you compare same-sex marriage to inter-species marriage? What in your brain would lead you to believe that this would be in any way a logical next step? Stop with the drama. Statements like this don't make you sound logical, they make you sound ignorant and immature.
2. Again, you like this word "perversion" but the concept of perversion is very subjective. There is nothing that says, "All behaviors that fall into this category are perverse." There are behaviors that don't seem to serve any purpose, or that seem to defy logic, but as far as being "perverse", that's completely up to the observer.
What I'm trying to say is, you keep referring to it as perverse but all you're doing is demonstrating your own fear.
3. You don't own the concept of marriage. No one does. The concept of marriage is the union of two people who love each other. If you choose to say it's the union of one man and one woman, then if that works for you, knock yourself out. But it's not a universal truth. Just like the word "sh!t" isn't inherently a curse word, we've just made it that way.
4. Marriage=one man & one woman PERIOD is wrong. Marriage=one man & one woman RIGHT NOW. Have you not looked at the history of marriage as I asked? At one time (and in many societies even today) marriage could be one man and several women. Marriage could have been one woman and several men (which, of course, wouldn't do us much good in the way of procreation).
Besides, what do you think would happen if the Government recognized same-sex marriage? Do you think they'd use up all the vouchers?

1 No hysterics but you people would say and have said----
Marriage = anything plus anything. Why would a pervert stop with just a man and a man or a womam and a woman???????
2 per·verse

Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French purvers, pervers, from Latin perversus, from past participle of pervertere
Date: 14th century
1 a : turned away from what is right or good : corrupt b : improper, incorrect c : contrary to the evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law <perverse verdict>
2 a : obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted : wrongheaded b : arising from or indicative of stubbornness or obstinacy
3 : marked by peevishness or petulance : cranky

Or queer if you would.

3 The church owns marriage.
4 4. Marriage=one man & one woman PERIOD is RIGHT!
Did you happen to notice all the words in the definition?
Opposing what is right or good
Wrongheaded
Improper
Incorrect
Turned away from what is right or good
Corrupt
That is not my definition, wake up and just go back to your closet!

SHADOW

Hold please wrote:

<quoted text>
I find your joy and elation concerning this event most disturbing. Why such hatred? Why so against same-sex marriage? Would it affect you somehow? Your family?
And, actually, if you go by the attendance records, "Decent, moral, up-right, God-fearing people" are on the decline.
And being against same-sex marriage (or homosexuality in general) does not make you decent, moral or up-right. Decent, moral and up-right people believe in equality and personal freedom.
It might make you God-fearing though, which, really, nobody should be. Like Ian McKellen said in his portrayal of Eric Magnus Lensherr in X-Men, "Are you a god-fearing man, Senator? That is such a strange phrase. I've always thought of god as a teacher - a bringer of light, wisdom, and understanding."

Get serious. When slick willie clinton was impeached the common democratic defense was "everyone does it".
Well let me tell you with you perverts, same sex people, totaling 2-3% of the population you could hardly say everyone does it.
It is just a queer thing to do admit it.
You should read more and think about fearing your God.

SHADOW

Craig in OKC wrote:

<quoted text> Actually it WASN'T "status quo" in all 31 states. Status quo is keeping things as they are with no change. In CA and ME gay marriage was legal. Hence, it was status quo.
Now, on to the brutality. So, I'm guessing you think if a parent does no physical harm to their child, yet never shows love, compassion etc. Never acknowledges them or speaks to them and always excludes them from the family, that that's not brutality? You seriously can say that brutality only exists in physical harm?

You assume and guess too much.
When the people of the state are allowed a vote same sex goes by the wayside EVERY TIME. Stop the making stories like you would like things to be.

liberal weenie

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Mr Claude Balls wrote:

Howdy, two quick questions for the pro gay marriage folks:
1. Do you see marriage and holy matrimony as the same thing?
2. If same sex marriage was the law of the land, would you advocate civil prosecution of a clergyman who refused to perform the ceremony?

Yes and no

“A Proud Gay Parent”

Since: Mar 08

2,964

Oklahoma City

SHADOW wrote:

<quoted text>
You assume and guess too much.
When the people of the state are allowed a vote same sex goes by the wayside EVERY TIME. Stop the making stories like you would like things to be.

Well, I don't know what church you go to, but I can pretty much guarantee if you put it to a vote that that was the ONLY church people could go to it would also get defeated. The majority thinking a particular way doesn't make it right.
You know what. You're a f*cking tool and I'm pretty much done with you. You'll never listen to anybody else. You pretty much think you are God Almighty himself. So, just go right on believing that. But before too long, you yourself will fall right in line with your definition of perverse. Now try to figure that one out, d*ckhead.
And, no, I don't usually swear at people and call them names. There's just something about your "christlike" attitude that brings it out in me. I think you causing that is a sin, right?

Marvin in Denver

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Craig in OKC wrote:

<quoted text> Actually it WASN'T "status quo" in all 31 states. Status quo is keeping things as they are with no change. In CA and ME gay marriage was legal. Hence, it was status quo.
Now, on to the brutality. So, I'm guessing you think if a parent does no physical harm to their child, yet never shows love, compassion etc. Never acknowledges them or speaks to them and always excludes them from the family, that that's not brutality? You seriously can say that brutality only exists in physical harm?

Way back when all the marriage laws were written, NOBODY ever considered the possibility that guys would want to "MARRY" each other at some time in the future.

Therefore, just because CA and ME FORGOT to acknowledge that marriage is between one man and one woman only mean they thought the requirement was so BASIC that there was NO NEED to specifically spell it out. Some two-bit lawyers simply used the original lawmaker's oversight as a legal loop hole.

Now, on to the brutality. I'm KNOWING if a parent does no physical harm to their child, yet never shows love, compassion etc. Never acknowledges them or speaks to them and always excludes them from the family, that IS NOT brutality. RATHER it is NEGLECT, and that is exactly what CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES call it.

burn

United States

gay people!!!!@###$%&(*)^

Balanced view

Bedford, UK

Being from the UK I thought most Americans were crazy but I was wrong. They said no to your gay marriage plans. Well done America I am pissing myself laughing thinking of all those crying queers.

Axel Rodam

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Craig in OKC wrote:

<quoted text> Oh, Shadow, Shadow, Shadow.. no matter how hard you stomp your feet, no matter how hard you cry about preserving your right to discriminate and no matter how many times you tell us we're wrong - we won't go away. EVER. We'll never be done until we have full equality - and it will come.
You can scream to the mountaintops how immoral, depraved etc we are - but we will still be here fighting the good fight. You can tell us we're going to hell, that we violate YOUR code, and that YOUR god hates us. We'll still be here.
It's always apparent when a fundie starts getting frustrated because he starts making very outlandish claims and gets very emotional about it - like Glenn Beck with his crocodile tears! And, that's when we know we are making headway. So, keep rending your cloth and gnashing your teeth - because we'll still be here.
Nope, not nearly done. Not even close!

Gay marriage is as much discriminatory and limiting, as str8 marriage! Currently supporters of this idea do not include Muslims and Mormons ideas of family, for an example.

Gay marriage is as much discriminatory and limiting, as str8 marriage! Currently supporters of this idea do not include Muslims and Mormons ideas of family, for an example.

So good luck fighting for another government controlled and anti-constitutional provision.

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Mr Claude Balls wrote:

Howdy, two quick questions for the pro gay marriage folks:
1. Do you see marriage and holy matrimony as the same thing?
2. If same sex marriage was the law of the land, would you advocate civil prosecution of a clergyman who refused to perform the ceremony?

Now we're getting somewhere.
1. No. Holy Matrimony is just that - a Church-recognized union. Marriage is either State-recognized (legal) or Church-recognized (symbolic).
2. No, I would not, because I'm not interested in forcing the Church to do anything it doesn't want. Separation of Church and State goes both ways (giggty). In my view, recognition of a same-sex marriage is only in the purview of the State (the legal marriage). And as far as everything goes, that's really all that matters. If the Church doesn't want to recognize it, who are we to tell them to do so. If I don't want prayer in my school, then I certainly cannot tell the Church to accept same-sex marriage.

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