'The War Is Not Over'

Nightshift wrote:

Sblime, s he was a friend of mine
And she could type a post
Her heart in every line
Sblime sang of the joy and pain
She preached to closed minds
Hatred in every way
Aw talk to me so you can see
What's going on
Say you will sing your songs
Forevermore (evermore)
Gonna be some sweet posts
Coming down from nightshift
I bet you're singing proud
Oh I bet you'll pull a crowd
Gonna be a long night
It's gonna be all right
from nightshift
Oh you found another home
You’re in my forum
On the nightshift
Dave C, hey what'you doing now
It seems like yesterday
When you just chilled out
Dave C you uppercased the point
You interested themost
With some of your fine posts
Keep it up and
We'll be there
At your side
Oh say you will dismiss repubs
Your friends forevermore (evermore)
Gonna be some sweet sounds
Coming down from nightshift
You’re all in my forum
you’lle cause a quorum
along with nightshift
Oh you found another home
I know you're not alone
goodbye from nightshift
Gonna miss your sweet voice
That soulful voice
From nightshift
We all remember you
Ooh the songs are coming through
At the end of a long day
It's gonna be okay
beside nightshift
You found another home
I know you're not alone
always with you, nightshift

Nice--you're gonna make me famous.

Julep Express wrote:

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Isn't it a crime that some Republicans actually promote the idea that Jesus is like them, some sort of social Darwinist? Why, if there was anything Jesus Christ stood for, it was the notion that human beings are superior to the animals in that they could rise above Darwinist tendencies and truly assist the weak, the poor, the genetically diseased, in spite of its long-term effects on society at large.
Are humans spiritual and thus Democratic, or are they just animals and thus Republican?

We care for the weak and the sick, we help the poor, we just don’t demand that the government do it for us. I don’t believe there are that many evil people in the world nor do I believe they are that powerful. I believe Man is basically good and because of that all people and their views are important. I’m an engineer and the biggest screw ups are usually driven by the best intentions. The better the cause, the more we overlook the obstacles that lead to unintended consequences. Hitler didn’t start out to set Europe ablaze, he wanted to right the wrongs of the Versailles Treaty and unite the German people a cause that he felt noble enough to die for or at least kill for and certainly worth silencing all dissent for. Six years later, three quarters of a billion people were dead and Germany was destroyed. If you discount people’s views as evil and fail to listen to their concerns simply because you arrogantly believe in the goodness of your cause, you will in the long run doom your cause to failure. Republicans are not your enemy, they are your neighbors.

ABs wrote:

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Interesting Barkesdale..so is that a yes or no...american democrats are like hamas and al q?
I enjoy your writing style, my friend...did you and Pierre go to the same school?

American Democrats are kindhearted types. Al Qaeda is not kind at all. Hamas is half kind, half mean.

So American Democrats are nothing at all like al Qaeda or Hamas.

Now the Republicans are ruthless like al Qaeda, and they are living in an alternate reality, like Hamas.

Rev Guard Colonel wrote:

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American Democrats are kindhearted types. Al Qaeda is not kind at all. Hamas is half kind, half mean.
So American Democrats are nothing at all like al Qaeda or Hamas.
Now the Republicans are ruthless like al Qaeda, and they are living in an alternate reality, like Hamas.

But isn't it true that most agnostics and atheists tend to be democrats?...I am confusikated again...

Rev Guard Colonel wrote:

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American Democrats are kindhearted types. Al Qaeda is not kind at all. Hamas is half kind, half mean.
So American Democrats are nothing at all like al Qaeda or Hamas.
Now the Republicans are ruthless like al Qaeda, and they are living in an alternate reality, like Hamas.

You certainly don’t sound like the kindhearted type. You sound like the type that doomed the French Revolution to failure. First they killed all those who would not listen, then they killed all those who tried to speak. I have been amazed from the first time that it was pointed out to me that “conservatives believe all those who disagree with them are wrong while liberals believe all those who disagree with them are evil”. I’ve often wondered how someone could be a liberal and still believe in democracy. Democracy came about as a means to handle all the differing views, create compromise and to give everyone a voice in the decision. I certainly wouldn’t compromise with evil, so the question is—do you believe in Democracy?

Last one on topix is a rotten egg.

All this is interesting, but first of all, if someone invaded our country for no reason and began shooting everyone searching for something that isn't there any longer, I suppose a few citizens would Americans would finally organize, and begin doing combat with the invaders. What is lost here is the simple truth about the reason we are in Iraq, in the first place. WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING!! The Iraqi's are no different than we are. They've responded no differently that we would've. This war is a sham, and has nothing to do with the twin towers, terrorism or Al Qaeda, or the taliban. We are in Iraq for lil ol' Georgie boy had a score to settle with Sadam Hussein, couldn't go kich his ass on his own, cowarded out of his time on the military when hero status could've been earned by him in Vietnam. It wouldn't have taken much with the name, Bush. So, since everybody keeps getting worked up into a lather, and continuing being divided, like the Bush family wants everyone, and making these statements about terrorism, bin Laden (who has been dead for many years,) keeps defending the most cowardice president in the history of this country, remember, the real reason why we are in Iraq...the Bush family wanted it because most of their corporations profit mightily off this war, and many others are fighting a battle lil ol' Georgie boy wouldn't because he is arrogant, condescending, a traitor, and the most criminal president who ever took the oath of office. How can any president say, and Bush did say this without blinking an eye, "..the Contitution is just a g-- d--- piece of paper!" If this country was attacked under false pretenses like Iraq was by the troops under the Bush family order, we would do the same thing they are doing. What also must be remembered is this...we created this terrorist organization when our illustrious government decided to fund them, arm them and trian them to combat Russia in Afghanistan. Then, we simply forgot about them and let them wreak havoc on the regions. All this under the careful guidance of Reagan/Bush, Bush, Clinton, and again lil ol' Georgie boy Bush. Thirty years of this kind of self-serving leadership, and a lot of people have died needlessly, for literally a lie.

Rev Guard Colonel wrote:

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Fear of death and destruction is what causes the otherwise liberals in the middle to switch over and vote for the Darth Vader party, the Republicans. That is why the fear of al Qaeda, then the fear of Iraqis, then the fear of Syrians, then and now the fear of Iranians and North Koreans, all is placed prominently up front as problems facing the US by Republican party operatives and spokesmen. Republicans need a menacing boogeyman to place opposite their own dark, shifty, and borderline criminal approach to the world's problems. Back in the day it was the Soviet Union.
Notice how Republicans never see evil or problems with United States-based bankers and insurance company executives, who may in fact be the root cause of the worldwide recession/depression.
I would sooner bet that American bankers and corporation execs were responsible for the global financial meltdown rather than Iranian or North Korean operatives.
American Republican businessmen, not Iranians or North Koreans, are the real enemy of regular Americans.

Some, of course, but the governnment itself, and key players, really created the environment.

It's hard to give partial credit, here. Study some more.

ABs wrote:

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If I may...I believe EVERYONE who votes based on a party principle is EVIL...lol
ANTI INCUMBENT REGARDLESS of political affiliation...
Funny thing, we have this new party now...called Conservative Democrats...sure wish Tinydik Earl was here to explain this to me...
Conservative Democrats break ranks on health care...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-...

I wonder if the same 40 neo-condems broke with climate change.

Nightshift wrote:

well Dave whats you view of the Obama administration - i assume you are a died in the wool republican so like Crusty, likarock, AB, smookster and arb, you are going to criticise every democrat move before it even begins.
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My nationality has not been established, thus the allegation I am Republican is absurd.

However, as such, I am certainly not Republican.

If anything, I am a classic liberalist.

Now that we know that Republican governmental surveillance of law-abiding Americans was much more vast than originally thought, we can ask more plaintively that the Republicans change their mascot from the elephant to the human skull, or "Death's Head" emblem or insignia found on the hats of the Nazi German SS officers.

I mean, this is just like something out of central casting. Can the Republicans just try to be a little more snaky, a little more shadowy, a little more slimy, a little more low-down?

What will be the next Republican shoe to drop? Were they poisoning the water? Drilling holes in the skulls of the live children of interrogatees in an effort to force confessions?

Just what more sinister deeds were done by these lovely Republicans who just vacated the White House six months ago that we have yet to discover?

Rev Guard Colonel wrote:

Now that we know that Republican governmental surveillance of law-abiding Americans was much more vast than originally thought, we can ask more plaintively that the Republicans change their mascot from the elephant to the human skull, or "Death's Head" emblem or insignia found on the hats of the Nazi German SS officers.
I mean, this is just like something out of central casting. Can the Republicans just try to be a little more snaky, a little more shadowy, a little more slimy, a little more low-down?
What will be the next Republican shoe to drop? Were they poisoning the water? Drilling holes in the skulls of the live children of interrogatees in an effort to force confessions?
Just what more sinister deeds were done by these lovely Republicans who just vacated the White House six months ago that we have yet to discover?

I read the news in horror about the really big Bush domestic surveillance program. Everything the Republicans say about personal freedom and liberty goes up in smoke when you read what Bush and his Republican appointees did to the Constitution.

And the Republicans complain about the liberals trying to change the Constitution through judicial activism. The Republicans like Bush just throw the Constitution out the window, disregard it entirely.

You know, if the Republicans don't get the White House back for the next fifty years, they will deserve that time out in the cold due to their cavalier and arrogant time in office with Bush.

No wonder they are talking up Iran. They surely do not want to be talking about the horrors of the Bush presidency, more of which we discover today.

Julep Express wrote:

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I read the news in horror about the really big Bush domestic surveillance program. Everything the Republicans say about personal freedom and liberty goes up in smoke when you read what Bush and his Republican appointees did to the Constitution.
And the Republicans complain about the liberals trying to change the Constitution through judicial activism. The Republicans like Bush just throw the Constitution out the window, disregard it entirely.
You know, if the Republicans don't get the White House back for the next fifty years, they will deserve that time out in the cold due to their cavalier and arrogant time in office with Bush.
No wonder they are talking up Iran. They surely do not want to be talking about the horrors of the Bush presidency, more of which we discover today.

Republicans are no angels. But Republican ruthlessness can come in handy after a terrorist attack. The Constitution is a nice idea and all, but when the chips are down niceties must be abandoned. Only pie-in-the-sky liberals would actually follow the dictates of the Constitution, even following a terrorist attack.

Too bad the intelligence gathered may not have stopped any terror attacks. Oh, well, better safe than sorry. Plus, if you are innocent, why worry if the police are reading your mail/email and monitoring your phone/text messages.

If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear from intense governmental surveillance by a strong Republican administration like the last one.

Real Republican wrote:

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Republicans are no angels...

RR, you can say that again! Whew, can we take any more? People make fun of the Republicans and perhaps in a way exaggerate and call Republicans Nazis or Nazi-like. Then news comes out that the Republicans had some massive spy program on all Americans, good and bad alike, that went way beyond what the law allowed. It sounds exactly like something the Nazis would have done, and probably did do to the best of their abilities at the time.

Just abysmal, these Republicans! How much do they want the average Joe American to hate them? Do they want virtually everyone in America to hate their guts? They couldn't be going about it any better, or any faster, with this revelation on the tails of the Sanford mess.

You Yanks are such a mess. It was but three or four years ago and you loved Bush and Cheney and the Republicans. You Yanks are so proud of your constitution, and your supposed freedoms, your purported independence.

Now we know that you all have Republican dossiers on each and every one of you. Poor bastards. Poor, dumb bastards. When you elected, or should I say when your Supreme Court appointed, Republican George W. Bush president, right then and there you threw away your precious constitution and your precious freedom. You became surveilled and watched just like anyone in Europe.

Dumb, stupid Yanks. It is like you keep electing the Republicans and expect something different every time. Yet like clockwork the Republicans never fail to disappoint if you like your economy looted and imploded, and your civil rights taken away.

Poor, dumb bastards. Why don't you elect some more Republicans, see how much worse it can get. C'mon, I dare you.

I think Afghanistan will be Britains Vietnam and the same goes or America. It is laudable that we are trying to bring about democracy to a country that is stuck in past with few exceptions, communications and weaponry.

The problem we have is even if we achieved some form of security, we cannot bring about the Wests view of democracy to this nation - maybe Afghanistan will choose a form of democracy that does not bring rights to women, that follows Saudis version of law enforcement.

Perhaps if we must mess with this country, the only chance would be to dissolve it as a nation and split it into the surrounding countries.

Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Tajikistan
China
India
Pakistan
and yes...Iran

support these countries to bring law and order to their new lands.

Hell, we state we fight in Afghanistan to stop war at home and yet we allow this country to flood our own lands with drugs.

Yes this has been an ill though out campaign with the aims being made on the hoof - ubsurd.

Athenian wrote:

You Yanks are such a mess. It was but three or four years ago and you loved Bush and Cheney and the Republicans. You Yanks are so proud of your constitution, and your supposed freedoms, your purported independence.
Now we know that you all have Republican dossiers on each and every one of you. Poor bastards. Poor, dumb bastards. When you elected, or should I say when your Supreme Court appointed, Republican George W. Bush president, right then and there you threw away your precious constitution and your precious freedom. You became surveilled and watched just like anyone in Europe.
Dumb, stupid Yanks. It is like you keep electing the Republicans and expect something different every time. Yet like clockwork the Republicans never fail to disappoint if you like your economy looted and imploded, and your civil rights taken away.
Poor, dumb bastards. Why don't you elect some more Republicans, see how much worse it can get. C'mon, I dare you.

Everyone knows the Constitution only applies during peacetime; George W. Bush was a wartime president, and as such was not technically bound by the US Constitution. This is an old argument, but Republicans believe the Constitution is basically suspended during wartime, the principle is called the Unitary Executive. If you don't like the idea of the Constitution being suspended, for example, right this very minute because a state of war exists between al Qaeda and the USA, get over it.

You didn't really think the Constitution mattered, did you? It only matters when the Democrats and their liberal judges like Sotomayor try to change it to suit their tastes. During wartime, it is simply an advisory document to a Republican president like Bush.

Who knows, maybe Obama wants to view the Constitution and his Presidency from the Unitary Executive point of view. We will see.

Some posters have asked that we try to be positive about the Republican party. Surely there are some positive things to be said about the party currently out of power. Here goes:

1. All of the recent sex scandals have been heterosexual, not homosexual like Sen. Larry Craig's airport restroom romp.

2. Halliburton has been out of the news lately.

3. Blackwater has been out of the news lately.

4. A recent poll indicated slightly more than half of Americans opposed abortion.

5. Up until today's revelations, the Democrats in Congress have been unable to muster support for an independent prosecutor to examine Bush's civil rights abuses.

6. Most states still have not ratified or legalized gay marriage.

7. Marijuana is still mostly illegal.

8. Prostitution is not legal yet.

9. You can still buy an AK-47 without ID at a neighborhood gun show.

10. Rush Limbaugh never went to prison for all of those narcotics he used and all of that doctor shopping he did.

Come to think of it, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Jackson had one thing in common: lots and lots and lots of drugs and hordes of doctors and pain that required narcotics. Don't let Rush fool you, he is a big softy when it comes to pain, just like Michael Jackson, who was a lover, not a fighter. Rush needs his meds for the pain.

Oh, I forgot, Rush doesn't take narcotics anymore, right?

Julep Express wrote:

Some posters have asked that we try to be positive about the Republican party. Surely there are some positive things to be said about the party currently out of power. Here goes:
1. All of the recent sex scandals have been heterosexual, not homosexual like Sen. Larry Craig's airport restroom romp.
2. Halliburton has been out of the news lately.
3. Blackwater has been out of the news lately.
4. A recent poll indicated slightly more than half of Americans opposed abortion.
5. Up until today's revelations, the Democrats in Congress have been unable to muster support for an independent prosecutor to examine Bush's civil rights abuses.
6. Most states still have not ratified or legalized gay marriage.
7. Marijuana is still mostly illegal.
8. Prostitution is not legal yet.
9. You can still buy an AK-47 without ID at a neighborhood gun show.
10. Rush Limbaugh never went to prison for all of those narcotics he used and all of that doctor shopping he did.
Come to think of it, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Jackson had one thing in common: lots and lots and lots of drugs and hordes of doctors and pain that required narcotics. Don't let Rush fool you, he is a big softy when it comes to pain, just like Michael Jackson, who was a lover, not a fighter. Rush needs his meds for the pain.
Oh, I forgot, Rush doesn't take narcotics anymore, right?

You're laying it on pretty thick, Julep. You are leaving out how Bush and Cheney kept America safe from further airplane attacks by al Qaeda. Do you remember when they strengthened those cabin doors and gave pilots handguns? All of that was done under the Bush administration.

American has more people in prison, being punished for their crimes, than any nation in the world, per capita. This fact shows that Republicans are not weak or shy about punishing miscreants in America.

There is the largest gap between rich and poor in America than in any country on Earth. This is a good thing because it shows how hard work or hereditary inheritance are rewarded in the USA. In America, a person can either win big time, or lose big time.

I think the Republicans have quite a record of achievement. Maybe some of you out there can think of some more of them and help me out.

Here is a reference to the totenkopf, or death's head insignia, as worn by Adolph Eichmann:

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/LogosAndSymbolog...

I think it sad that the Republicans are too bashful to engage in an honest discussion as to whether or not it would be better to change the mascot from an elephant to the death's head symbol.

How many Republicans would buy a death's head lapel pin, if they knew it represented them as members of the ultra-tough, ultra-ruthless Republican party? I bet a lot of them would buy death's head lapel pins and a lot of Republicans would wear them with pride.

Finally, a symbol of the Republican party that just exudes toughness, ruthlessness, and dedication to cause. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf