There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

<Sigh> that should be "...because it's own CAN'T function yet..."

Grunt56 wrote:

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Right. Ignore the innocent children killed every year because mom is irresponsible.
Great idea. Thanks, but I'll stick to spreading the word.

No children, innocent or otherwise are harmed during an abortion.

Grunt56 wrote:

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So your position is if someone supports a person, they can kill them if they want?

Supports how? Financially? Who on earth cares... this isn't about money or emotional support, its about a woman's choice over her own body, plain and simple.

Bitner wrote:

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No one is talking about financial support, so can the word games. So long as the fetus is inside the woman, using her organ systems because it's own can function yet, with the potential to harm her health or life (I did not say it WOULD, but it MIGHT), then yes she has the right to decide if it will continue to do so or not.

Ahhh. So if you support a person and don't want to anymore, you can kill it?

Now I get it.

Liam R wrote:

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No children, innocent or otherwise are harmed during an abortion.

Tell that to the children abortion kills. Oh wait. You can't.

lifes a beach wrote:

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Supports how? Financially? Who on earth cares... this isn't about money or emotional support, its about a woman's choice over her own body, plain and simple.

It's not her body she's killing. It's the body she chose to create.

Grunt56 wrote:

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It's not her body she's killing. It's the body she chose to create.

No one chooses to get pregnant- its a biological fact and you cannot control it one way or another (without BC of course). Please tell me you're not one of those nutjobs that believes raped women are less likely to become pregnant "bc their body rejects it". Btw, at week 12, which is the term most abortions are done by, I would very much like you to show me this "body" (which is not fully formed and not even close to being such).

You are simply not following the basic principles of logic with this one. Consent to sex is not automatic consent to pregnancy, if that were the case then everytime a woman had sex she would become pregnant and since that does not logically follow, you are incorrect. It may be consent to RISK of pregnancy, much like driving is consent to RISK of an accident not automatically everytime you drive you consent to an accident.

Grunt56 wrote:

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Tell that to the children abortion kills. Oh wait. You can't.

Exactly, because there are no children involved in an abortion. You're starting to catch on after all!

Grunt56 wrote:

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The male can't kill the baby.

Well that isn't true. Murder by the father is the number one killer of pregnant women above all other risk factors. Take away high blood pressure leading to stroke, eclampsia or anything else and you still have men being the #1 cause of death during a pregnancy.

lifes a beach wrote:

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Exactly, because there are no children involved in an abortion. You're starting to catch on after all!

Tell that to the children killed by abortion. I know, you think if you pretend they aren't, you can feel better. I doubt you even fool yourself.

AyakaNeo wrote:

<quoted text>Well that isn't true. Murder by the father is the number one killer of pregnant women above all other risk factors. Take away high blood pressure leading to stroke, eclampsia or anything else and you still have men being the #1 cause of death during a pregnancy.

BZZZZT. Thanks for playing. Men may be the number one killer of women during pregnancy. They aren't even measurable when talking about the child. "Mom" holds that title.

Grunt56 wrote:

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BZZZZT. Thanks for playing. Men may be the number one killer of women during pregnancy. They aren't even measurable when talking about the child. "Mom" holds that title.

Now you want talk statistics when statistics had nothing to do with your statement. You said "a man can't kill his child". Men can and do kill their children as do women. Between the first week of life and the teenage years, mothers and fathers were about equally likely to kill their child. During the 13–15 year age group, fathers committed 63% of all homicides, and this increased to 80% among the 16–18 year age group. A child is born and when it comes to killing born children men hold that title.
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Paper/...

good wife wrote:

<quoted text>I have no problem with abortion - I believe every woman should have the right to kill her flesh and blood and have it sucked or scraped out of her uterus. It's as simple as that.

Then why are you here? If you don't have a problem with abortion then you don't have a problem with the sociological reasons abortion remains legal. You don't have a problem with the numbers of abortions annually. You don't have a problem with birth control failing. You don't have a problem with the teen pregnancy rate. Some of us do. GTFO if you don't have a problem.

Grunt56 wrote:

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Ahhh. So if you support a person and don't want to anymore, you can kill it?
Now I get it.

No, obviously you don't. Whether that obtuseness is deliberate, or if you're really this stupid, is the question.

Bitner wrote:

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No, obviously you don't. Whether that obtuseness is deliberate, or if you're really this stupid, is the question.

He's actually this stupid.

AyakaNeo wrote:

<quoted text>He's actually this stupid.

Honestly, this kind of obtuseness seems to run through them like a disease.

Grunt56 wrote:

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Tell that to the children killed by abortion. I know, you think if you pretend they aren't, you can feel better. I doubt you even fool yourself.

They can't even feel pain up until 21 weeks!!! FACT! You just don't have any sound arguments so you keep repeating your opinion.

AyakaNeo wrote:

<quoted text>Now you want talk statistics when statistics had nothing to do with your statement. You said "a man can't kill his child". Men can and do kill their children as do women. Between the first week of life and the teenage years, mothers and fathers were about equally likely to kill their child. During the 13–15 year age group, fathers committed 63% of all homicides, and this increased to 80% among the 16–18 year age group. A child is born and when it comes to killing born children men hold that title.
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Paper/...

I want to talk them? You brought them up. Is your memory as weak as your argument?

lifes a beach wrote:

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They can't even feel pain up until 21 weeks!!! FACT! You just don't have any sound arguments so you keep repeating your opinion.

So it's ok to kill people if they don't feel it?

Got it.

Grunt56 wrote:

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I want to talk them? You brought them up. Is your memory as weak as your argument?

You said a male can't kill his child. I just showed you the stats on those that do. It's not my memory that's weak.