Why Should Jesus Love Me?

G_O_D wrote:

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Pilate didn't release him back, he sentenced him to death.

Pilate found no fault with Jesus, and ultimately didn't make the decision, which is the significance of his 'washing his hands of it,' claiming no part in the death. According to Matthew, he thought the crowd would surely call for the release of Jesus not the nefarious Barrabas, but as foretold in the text, the Sanhedrin had already made the decision.

Matthew 27:1, 20-25
"Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people came to the decision to put Jesus to death..."

"But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.
Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor. "Barabbas," they answered.
What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!"
Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!""

G_O_D wrote:

"But Pilate replied, "Why, what crime has he committed?" But their voices rose to a roar, "Crucify him!"
And as Pilate wanted to satisfy the crowd, he set Barabbas free for them, and after having Jesus flogged handed him over to be crucified.
Then the soldiers marched him away inside the courtyard of the governor's residence and called their whole company together. They dressed Jesus in a purple robe, and twisting some thorn twigs into a crown, they put it on his head. Then they began to greet him, "Hail, your majesty - king of the Jews!"
Mark 15:14-18

To be clear, Jesus wouldn't have been a threat to Pilate whatsoever. It didn't matter to Pilate if he claimed to be king, or a god of any kind, or a flying platypus; but, to the Jewish authorities he was a huge threat because he gained so many followers and preached separation of church and state, putting God on a personal basis with man rather than having to have the high priest as a middle-man. The Sanhedrin thought they'd benefit from his death. Seems in the long-run, it's backfired since a whole new religion was formed based on his death, his martyrdom.

River Tam wrote:

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I can eat the reproductive parts of an apple, dig a hole in the yard, take a dump and have another apple tree next year.
Try that with a cow.

Are you the other poster, too?

And really?

"Try that with a cow."

Ever try to milk an apple?

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>A cowardly liar? We were discussing murders by knives and guns, G, and I pointed out that I don't know anyone with guns or knives.... I had no idea your limited intelligence would assume I meant knives for eating - I apologise for overestimating your intelligence and in your case, apologise for the lie. I will re-phrase my posting (something you refused to do)
I know no-one with a gun and in fact, know no-one who has knives for weapons or has harmed anyone with a knife.
Does that suit your level of intelligence now G?

I know of no one other than police and military personel who has harmed anyone with them either.

Did you have a point or this more of you venting hatred about things you know nothing about ?

^^^^ I know no one....^^^^

I know OF murderers, I do not know any.

My answer was to the timeline. Caiaphus handed Jesus over to Pilate. Pilate had Him executed.

I said nothing about blame.

If you can't keep up then shut up.

Some1 Else wrote:

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Pilate found no fault with Jesus, and ultimately didn't make the decision, which is the significance of his 'washing his hands of it,' claiming no part in the death. According to Matthew, he thought the crowd would surely call for the release of Jesus not the nefarious Barrabas, but as foretold in the text, the Sanhedrin had already made the decision.
Matthew 27:1, 20-25
"Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people came to the decision to put Jesus to death..."
"But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.
Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor. "Barabbas," they answered.
What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!"
Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!""

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>Don't pretend about GOD Mike, and none of us will ask you to. GOD is a personal relationship between each of us ~ all we are trying to do is show you a way to connect, or to re phrase that, to look back and reflect upon some things in your life that will pin point to you that GOD has indeed been there, you just didn't realise it!!

Make things simple and have an open conversation with a GOD for all to hear?

I will agree, a relationship with a GOD is personal.

What you are asking me to do, is pretend a GOD is real.
If a GOD is the essence of life, why must we search for the creator, if there is a creator?

You as well as others, never are able to show a GOD, you all just talk of a GOD.

mike wrote:

<quoted text>Make things simple and have an open conversation with a GOD for all to hear?
I will agree, a relationship with a GOD is personal.
What you are asking me to do, is pretend a GOD is real.
If a GOD is the essence of life, why must we search for the creator, if there is a creator?
You as well as others, never are able to show a GOD, you all just talk of a GOD.

If I said to you "Mike God loves you." you would have a problem believing that, right ?
So instead I say "Mike, the Universe is amazing, enjoy the ride." You would be OK with that, right ?

Note that Jesus is much like you and me:

“Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man,‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say,‘Get up, take your mat and walk’?
But I want you to know that any righteous man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man,“I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying,“We have never seen anything like this!”

naturalwonder wrote:

<quoted text>Thats a threat and reported.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, whats he going to do, slip into your house and scripture you to death. You drama queen poof. Sissy.

Some1 Else wrote:

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Are you the other poster, too?
And really?
"Try that with a cow."
Ever try to milk an apple?

She's a troll. She was buddies with WAAT.

River Tam wrote:

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I can eat the reproductive parts of an apple, dig a hole in the yard, take a dump and have another apple tree next year.
Try that with a cow.

You cannot eat any fruit from that apple tree, but you can eat that year old calf. Whats your point? You gonna starve while we eat beef.

Dr Shrink wrote:

sorry
suppose to be NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH-
my problem is,that I use one hand to type my posts,
have good night all of you

That's not your problem........just sayin.

Senecus wrote:

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<smiles> Serah, God's provisions are sufficient - so "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition"
(big smile)
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For the sake of those scrappy Outbackers, I pray the law gets overturned:)
Now again, seriously, what in the name of General George Washington does it do to tie the hands of the law abiding-only to have the criminals,the ones you'd like to see NOT have weapons, be the only ones to obtain them? The law is impotent.
Hope they issued the populace some nice Kevlar jackets:)

What does a law-abiding citizen need an uzi for?

The ability to have a gun to prevent government takeover or British (any country) invasion are long gone. We have smart bombs planes can drop through chimneys at hundreds of miles up. The argument we need guns to protect ourselves is nonsense, all due respect. And a family member is much more likely to be killed in a house that has a gun than a criminal. Not to mention the criminal gets the guns much more easily because guns are legal. All one has to do is look at the murder rates is places like Canada that doesn't allow guns.

Now i am not saying get rid of all guns. It they want to make it legal to have shotguns that is more than sufficient for hunting or home protection. They are shorter ranger and way less likely to kill someone by accident. They can also be loaded with non-lethal ammunition. And very hard to conceal. Things like Wacco Texas never happen and 90% of the murders in this country don't happen.

Tell me one good reason a citizen should be allowed an uzi? And not just "it's a free country" because under that logic a citizen should be allowed a bomber airplane. I am sincerely curious )if you believe they should have the right to) what reason would justify a citizen having one in your opinion.

Peace

whinner wrote:

<quoted text>OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, whats he going to do, slip into your house and scripture you to death. You drama queen poof. Sissy.

You have NO sense of humor. Typical...lol

Some1 Else wrote:

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I'm an ex-Christian, and have none of the problems you've mentioned in this post. Of course, I've never tried to convert anyone to my beliefs; sure have had a lot try to convert me back though, even to study with the JWs again, and a couple try to convince me to become a Muslim. Not quite sure what the heck I'd do with 72 virgin males after I die...LOL.
Not all ex-Christians are as you have described; in fact, most aren't. Most are quite happy with where we are on our path as seekers of truth. I, myself, see the journey as the destination and am quite comfortable with so many unknowns in this life. Please don't allow the few radicals out there of any particular ideology bias your opinion of the whole group. It would be like my saying that Christians are dangerous, militants based on the likes of Tim McVeigh, the shooter in Norway that hated Muslims, and the guy that shot up the Unitarian Church because he thought they were too liberal.
For some reason, Topix seems to draw a lot of extremist view points. Perhaps it's the anonimity factor and most are just venting, or maybe trolling. I'd certainly hate to think most of the fundamentalist, extreme views are completely serious...
Peace to you...

I have many friends who have left the faith. Well, as close as one can get on Topix, but some dating back to when I first started posting on Why I Am No Longer A Christian that I have a lot of respect for. While I appreciate you reaching out I try not to ever judge groups of any types of people. And I agree Topix tends to attract the more extremist position, from both sides i might add.

I have always said for me, even though I can't picture leaving the faith ever, if I ever did I would look back on it fondly as it played pivotal roles in my life and brought me a lot of comfort. I really don't understand why so many on Topix treat the faith as an enemy when they leave. I understand protecting ones "home turf" so-to-speak and if some Christian wants to go around starting trouble then have at them. But why people seek out this room to argue daily confuses me when it seems like they would be happier if the actually did leave it behind them.

But Mike is a different kind of a guy regardless of his anti-religious beliefs. I think it simply gives him a focus for his rage. But again I appreciate you reaching out. I have always assumed in life many leave the faith with no malice and assumed Topix attracts those who don't. But it is nice to talk to someone on Topix who has left the faith and whose number one agenda isn't trying to bash it. I know some people will say their motivation is to examine or question it not bash it but that may have been the goal when it started, thanks to the Topix bottom-basement discourse normally available, that stopped being the case a long time ago IMO. Anyway, I am rambling but really just wanted to say Thank You.

(T) Peace

_STUPID_ wrote:

<quoted text>Imitation is the highest form of flattery, your fraudian slip is showing. HEHE

But mocking isn't. You don't seem to realize the difference

And what are you saying was the Freudian slip in that paragraph? I know it is kind of funny to say someone's Freudian slip in showing when they have made a Freudian slip but I didn't see one. What did you think was one?

I am starting to see why you picked your name! But don't ever feel you can't be fixed.

:)

:)

Skombolis wrote:

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What up DF?

Agh, not much. That side?

Tell me one good reason a person should have a car that goes faster than 65 MPH. More poeple are killed by speeding automoblies per year than guns in a decade.

Give me one good reason anyone should own raw sugar and candy. More people die from obesity related disease every year than killed by firearms in a decade.

Give me one good reason anyone needs alcohol. More crimes and deaths are directly caused by alcohol consumption than any substance or object known to mankind, including heroin and cocaine.

Note that in 70 years, a legaly owned machine gun has only been involved in two crimes. Thus the argument for an UZI is that it is extremely safe and its use in a crime is zero.

Skombolis wrote:

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What does a law-abiding citizen need an uzi for?
The ability to have a gun to prevent government takeover or British (any country) invasion are long gone. We have smart bombs planes can drop through chimneys at hundreds of miles up. The argument we need guns to protect ourselves is nonsense, all due respect. And a family member is much more likely to be killed in a house that has a gun than a criminal. Not to mention the criminal gets the guns much more easily because guns are legal. All one has to do is look at the murder rates is places like Canada that doesn't allow guns.
Now i am not saying get rid of all guns. It they want to make it legal to have shotguns that is more than sufficient for hunting or home protection. They are shorter ranger and way less likely to kill someone by accident. They can also be loaded with non-lethal ammunition. And very hard to conceal. Things like Wacco Texas never happen and 90% of the murders in this country don't happen.
Tell me one good reason a citizen should be allowed an uzi? And not just "it's a free country" because under that logic a citizen should be allowed a bomber airplane. I am sincerely curious )if you believe they should have the right to) what reason would justify a citizen having one in your opinion.
Peace

G_O_D wrote:

Tell me one good reason a person should have a car that goes faster than 65 MPH.

Because men like speed.

G_O_D wrote:

Give me one good reason anyone should own raw sugar

Because my coffee tastes horrible without it.

G_O_D wrote:

and candy.

To soften a woman's heart.

G_O_D wrote:

Give me one good reason anyone needs alcohol.

Because sometimes, when you think of your dearest ex leaving you, the only thing you can do is get shitfaced pissing drunk.

:)

How are you, amigo?

mike wrote:

<quoted text>Funny!
I need proof animals sin, but you have no proof animals don't sin.

I say animals aren't capable of sinning and you reply by saying i made that up and you need proof they DO sin? And it is my opinion animals don't require the requisite intellect or free-will to the extent needed to engage in deliberate sin. If you believe otherwise since you know both what sins are and what animals are, please explain to me why you would have a problem with my saying animals are not capable of sinning? Clearly you must think they are. Why?

mike wrote:

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In regards to there being a GOD, would you know if a GOD communicates with animals, it has been known animals do unpredictable things. Do all things obey a GOD, except for people?

I don't know. Next times me, God, and a bunch of talking animals get together I will let you know. My next scheduled trip to Narnia isn't for a few more years and I didn't think to ask last time:)