Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Just A Wet Sock wrote:

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Hello G.
You need to guess again. One of God's commandments has everyone caught in a trap:
"You shall not bear false witness!".....

Then tell that to your Catholic Church. It is THEIR statement, not mine.

James Terry wrote:

I just wanted to stop by and let you know that they finally let me come home tonight. I’m very week and just don’t fell like doing very much. But this I had to do.
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Thank you, thank you everyone for your prayers. Because with out you praying for me I just don’t believe I could have made it.
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Good night
I love you guys
JT

It's good to see you JT. I'm glad that you pulled through that situation. Get much rest my friend and to God be The Glory!

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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I'm glad you are feeling better. But really, truly and honestly, what do you think helped you more; The helping hands or the praying lips?

Good Morning OB... I'm sure he believes both.

blind man n the bleachers wrote:

<quoted text>.... I disagree that the sacrafices of the OT were not a substitute. They couldn't get the job done....

On the contrary, the sacrifices worked perfectly since the days of Cain and Able.

Note that a sacrifice is only atonement for sin. It never has and never will stop man from sinning. Even Jesus can't do that.
It was a solemn act to show God you are truly repentant and not just mouthing heartless apologies.

Sacrifices, like the Law, is for the benefit of man not the needs of God (Who has no needs).

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

****ATTENTION****
CHRISTIANS...please answer:
Doesn't it bother you, that the story of Christ, was actually stories of other Gods more than 1,000 years before Christ?
How does that not bother you, or make you question it?
Christ: Born of a Virgin, born on Dec 25th, resurrected,...blah blah blah
Krishna: 1,000 years before Christ, Carpenter, born of a virgin, Baptized in a River, etc...
Mirthra: 600 years before Christ, Born on the 25th of December, resurrected on the 3rd day, performed miracles, known as the lamb, the truth, the Savior.
VERY IMPORTANT:
Written 1280 BC The Egyptian Book Of The Dead, described their God Horus:
Son of God,
Born to a Virgin,
Baptized in a River,
Tempted alone in a desert,
Healed the Sick and Blind,
Walked on water,
Raised Asar from the dead to Lazarus,
Oh yeah, he had 12 deciples,
He was crucified,
...and after 3 days...resurrected.
Study the Religions of the Mediterranean Region 1,000 before Christ.

I haven't looked much into Krishna... but I looked into Mithra. A lot of mat'l in which you posted from come from bias, skeptical sources. It's been awhile but a couple things I remember about Mithra off hand is their where two main types.. Roman and Indo-Iranian. I believe the Roman-type believes Mithra was born from a rock out of the side of a mountain and Iranian believes that a virgin bathed in a lake and got pregant from some sperm that had been deposited thousands of years earlier and survived... I'm going off memory there but perhaps I'll double check 2morrow. A lot of those Mithra/Jesus concepts has been debunked.

In the meantime... here is a link for a read on the accusation of Horus/Jesus if you are serious-minded:

http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

blind man n the bleachers wrote:

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I don't see the same thing you do. I see he never wants a human sacrafice to Molek.
Abraham was asked to sacrafice his son. Abraham said God would provide the sacrafice. God didn't accept Abrahams son as a sacrafice. Instead God provided the sacrafice.

The Jewish position at the time of Jesus was that it was a test of Abraham and God never wanted Isaac sacrificed. There was also midrash that Abraham misunderstood or was deceived as to what YHWH asked of him.
Note that Abram was a follower of Melchizedec's pagan religion. There was no such thing as monotheisim at that time and human sacrifice was acceptable.
Abraham is the first "Jew" He is told by the True God that human sacrifice is an abomination and that He is the only God.

Going back to Cain and Abel, God did not accept the "human sacrifice" of Abel. Rather He called it "Murder" and forbade it for all eternity. Human Sacrifice is, was and always has been Murder. Jesus was murdered, not sacrificed.

Quintessence 8 wrote:

<quoted text>It's almost feels like brother Adrian has never even departed... Good Morning B-man.

Agreed. And good morning to you Quin:)

So I was in the Navy and they had come up with a mandate that we had to do at least one overseas tour... A lot of sailors were understandably upset but I was looking forward to it...

G_O_D wrote:

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On the contrary, the sacrifices worked perfectly since the days of Cain and Able.
Note that a sacrifice is only atonement for sin. It never has and never will stop man from sinning. Even Jesus can't do that.
It was a solemn act to show God you are truly repentant and not just mouthing heartless apologies.
Sacrifices, like the Law, is for the benefit of man not the needs of God (Who has no needs).

Hmmm, Last sentence I agree with. The rest I mostly disagree with. The sacrafices previous to Jesus didn't reunite with God and the wages of sin is death/seperated from God(spirtual) Those sacrafices were unable to conquer death and sin. And were unable to bridge the gap between the spirit of man and God. The sacrafice of Jesus did that. And ask any Jewish person Messianic or not, and they will tell you that it was not just an act. The sacrafice actualy bore their sin.
This in itself could be a very long conversation. I have to get back to house cleaning and such. I just stopped for a quick cup of coffee. I would love to continue this at this time. But needs be that I do other things. Good stuff G. I will be giving these things further thought as I clean :) OH what fun:)

...and when I say overseas tour I don't mean by ship. I mean actually live outside the U.S. for a tour of duty. Normally, 3 years.

Quintessence 8 wrote:

So I was in the Navy and they had come up with a mandate that we had to do at least one overseas tour... A lot of sailors were understandably upset but I was looking forward to it...

...and I tried to get a jump on everybody by trying to get Antigua as an overseas tour of duty. Can u say "yeah, mon?"

Instead, they offered me Iceland, Sicily or Guam. Take my pick. It's not just a job, it's an adventure...(whatever)

G_O_D wrote:

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The Jewish position at the time of Jesus was that it was a test of Abraham and God never wanted Isaac sacrificed. There was also midrash that Abraham misunderstood or was deceived as to what YHWH asked of him.
Note that Abram was a follower of Melchizedec's pagan religion. There was no such thing as monotheisim at that time and human sacrifice was acceptable.
Abraham is the first "Jew" He is told by the True God that human sacrifice is an abomination and that He is the only God.
Going back to Cain and Abel, God did not accept the "human sacrifice" of Abel. Rather He called it "Murder" and forbade it for all eternity. Human Sacrifice is, was and always has been Murder. Jesus was murdered, not sacrificed.

I too hold the position of it being a test for Abraham. And that he said God will provide the sacrifice tells me that he had more faith and insight then many of us give him credit for.
Cain and Abel? WOW you got me on this one. I have never understood or even heard it said before that the death of Abel was meant for a human sacrifice. It was an act of jealous rage because Cains attempt to appease God on Cains terms rather than Gods terms was not accepted and it didn't please God. Where Abel's sacrifice was on Gods terms and it pleased God. Cain became Jealous and killed Abel.
Just out of curiosity, what do you believe Abel's death was meant as a sacrifice for?

blind man n the bleachers wrote:

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...And ask any Jewish person Messianic or not, and they will tell you that it was not just an act. The sacrafice actualy bore their sin....

That is what atonement is. Isn't that what I said ? It does not stop man from "continuing to sin".

Will discuss more, later.

HAve a good day B-Man.

blind man n the bleachers wrote:

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I too hold the position of it being a test for Abraham. And that he said God will provide the sacrifice tells me that he had more faith and insight then many of us give him credit for.
Cain and Abel? WOW you got me on this one. I have never understood or even heard it said before that the death of Abel was meant for a human sacrifice. It was an act of jealous rage because Cains attempt to appease God on Cains terms rather than Gods terms was not accepted and it didn't please God. Where Abel's sacrifice was on Gods terms and it pleased God. Cain became Jealous and killed Abel.
Just out of curiosity, what do you believe Abel's death was meant as a sacrifice for?

Killing a human is Murder. God could have said "Thanks for executing this "Ben'Adam". All sins are forgiven forever".
There is no difference between Cain murdering Abel and the Romans mudering Jesus.

Note that Abel and Cain were both genuine and undeniably Ben'Adam (sons of Adam) Jesus was not. Jesus was only Ben'Adam in the figurative sense of the phrase as in "Righteous man".

Quintessence 8 wrote:

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...and I tried to get a jump on everybody by trying to get Antigua as an overseas tour of duty. Can u say "yeah, mon?"
Instead, they offered me Iceland, Sicily or Guam. Take my pick. It's not just a job, it's an adventure...(whatever)

Oh! And they offered me Naples, Italy also. So much for a choice but this was the military and at least I had four to pick from. I've been through Naples before and didn't care much for it so I picked what I thought was the less painful, which was Sigonella, Sicily. Never been... but away I went.

Beautiful Island, right off of Italy's southern coast and it is in fact, a part of Italy. My oldest two were born there in Italy. I will tell you something, the Italians enjoy life to the fullest but a lot of their customs are radically different from ours. It took a lot of getting used to.

For instance, when I lived on the Italian economy and rented an apartment... my wife and I went to go pay an extremely, hefty electic bill... which we could pay at their post office. Let me tell you what I saw when I entered that building...

blind man n the bleachers wrote:

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I too hold the position of it being a test for Abraham. And that he said God will provide the sacrifice tells me that he had more faith and insight then many of us give him credit for.
Cain and Abel? WOW you got me on this one. I have never understood or even heard it said before that the death of Abel was meant for a human sacrifice. It was an act of jealous rage because Cains attempt to appease God on Cains terms rather than Gods terms was not accepted and it didn't please God. Where Abel's sacrifice was on Gods terms and it pleased God. Cain became Jealous and killed Abel.
Just out of curiosity, what do you believe Abel's death was meant as a sacrifice for?

According to Leviticus both Cain and Abel sacrifices were acceptable. Inherently the sory is a contradiction.
Cain and Abel is a reversal of the Sumerian story (written over 2000 years before the Torah) except roles are reversed, in the Summerian it is the grain offering that is accepted and the blood sacrifice rejected.

Doctor REALITY wrote:

<quoted text>If you had 'doubts' about the 'authenticity' of Paul,then you are saying that you had doubts about the 'authenticity' of the Holy Bible being TOTALLY and DIVINELY inspired,and MANAGED by the Holy Spirit as His servents wrote it. For you to say that you are a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and the Gospel,that is a truly sad thing to have to admit. Why have you allowed Satan to 'play' with your mind like an old raggedy toy,Skombolis? Regardless of what Paul was when he was Saul of Tarsus,the glorious REALITY of what he became in the Lord after his blinding transformation on the road to Damascus matters much much more than who he was before......'Saul,why are you persecuting Me?!....'WHO ARE YOU,Lord?!'....'I AM Jesus,whom you are persecuting!'.....I have played that scene over and over in my mind,and I would have LOVED to have witnessed Saul's encounter with that Voice that was speaking to him from the heavens!

Doc

In the years I have been on Topix I have seen you refuse to ever give your interpretation of any verse. I have seen repeatedly people counter points you make with scripture and you don't respond. You claim you believe the Bible but I doubt you have ever read it.

I did have doubts as to whether parts of the Bible were true. I felt what Paul was preaching was not what Jesus preached. Many people have thought this even back in Paul's day when he was brought before the counsel to explain his teachings or when Mark defended his teachings. Do you even know what I am referring to?

After years of study I have come to the belief Paul emphasized grace more than works (without discounting our duties as Christians)because there were too many people who felt they were justified by law. Do you know what verses I am referring to? He makes the point quite a few times that works of LAW will not save you. That only grace will. However he still says what Jesus says, believe,be faithful, be obedient, love God. I truly believe the Bible now because i know it. Can you say the same thing Doc?

Just A Wet Sock wrote:

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While you say it isn't about us, it has always been about us. Who we are. Who I am and who Christine is.

You are missing the entire point of Christ's teachings if you believe that John. Christ doesn't tell us depending on what happened or on a case by case basis we can decide when we will forgive and when we won't. So regardless of what was said to you, the point is your responsibility as a Christian remains clear.

Just A Wet Sock wrote:

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Your part has been buried, and I can promise you that the devil doesn't like that. He wants your part dug up. It will not be done so by us. It is for you to resist the temptation that might come from others.

John

I can assure you it is God who has moved me to try to reach you John. The devil is the one who wants you to refuse to forgive people, to harbor grudges, to hold onto the hate. Who do you think is pleased when you refuse to forgive? God or the devil? You know the correct answer in your heart John.

Peace

Educator wrote:

<quoted text>GOOd preachin'Skom

:)

Quintessence 8 wrote:

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Let me tell you what I saw when I entered that building...

Mass Confusion... at least in my American eyes.

There were no lines or any hint of a line. People were pressing forward to try to get to the postal workers.. the postal workers who were standing calmly and unimpressed by all of the commotion.
As if it was an everyday occurence.

So one woman walks through the door and squeezes past me as I'm trying to take all this upheaval in, trying to be polite. So I'm brought back to the reality of the events and I think, "Oh no she did'ent!"

So I toss myself in the tumult and start squeezing my way to the front.. like wading through waist-high water. It was all good. No one noticed if I was being rude.. no one looked at the American as if I pushed the evelope to far... it was all normal.. To Them!
It was their culture. Rude... in my American opinion

But some of the newly hired Italians would try to skip lines while on the U.S. base... and hehehe... the Americans would roll their necks and tell them to get to the back of the line. Embarrassed and forgetting where exactly they were at... the Italians complied but held their heads high and went to the back of the line as the Americans muttered to themselves and each other. Seems like they must've had a similar experience that I did.

So I bring up that culture difference to bring the folliowing scripture up...